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[Sarah1281]

...Why?

[Addai]

tuppence95 wrote...

Definitely not the cutest!

My assumption is they made Cammen such a sad sack because it emphasizes the theme of the quest, i.e. unconditional love.  This quest presents me a dilemma.  Normally I'm all for the mushy stuff, but it ends up being the main thing people talk about with the Dalish- that and what an ass Sarel is- which contributes to the origin not being taken very seriously, I think.

[tuppence95]

Even though I found Cammen extremely irritating, I actually liked his and Gheyna's storyline. They added a gentler moment to the quests with such a severe group of people. I just wish they didn't make Cammen into such a Droopy Dog. He's so droopy that it's hard to see what Gheyna loves about him.



That screenshot was from my attempt at playing a really nasty character, which I'm not so good at. I used her to get achievements, but then half the time I'd wimp out and go back to a saved game to undo the damage she'd done. She didn't undo the harm she did to Cammen though. His love got crushed in that playthrough.

[Sarah1281]

I wasn't sure I did the right thing helping Cammen. I mean, it would be one thing if he just couldn't get in the forest but I wish someone would elaborate about what Gheyna meant by 'something always goes wrong' when he tried to actually kill something? What if he can't do it and Gheyna's going to get married to an inept guy who never manages to actually kill something?

[Zjarcal]

I find the Cammen quest to be one of the most pointless things in the entire game. Sure, some might find it to be a refreshing moment of mushiness, but I just can't see the point in wasting time helping an inept zap get a girl. It just strikes me as odd to go out of my way to try and get a couple together by convincing a girl I don't know that accepting this bumbling fool is okay if she loves him... bah, solve this yourselves, I'm not here to play cupid!

Perhaps if the quest was handled differently, where Cammen instead of breaking down in front of you, asked you if he could accompany you into the forest, sneaking out while in your company so as to not get caught by the clan, then I would've considered it. As it is, the minute he tells me to leave to his misery I say "you don't have to tell me twice".

And like Sarah said, is it really good for poor Gheyna to pair her with such an inept person? Not that she couldn't carry the burden of hunting herself, but it seems like a terrible match.

Morrigan's feelings on this quest couldn't resemble mine more perfectly.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 02 août 2010 - 02:32 .

[Sandtigress]

I actually use Cammen and Gheyna's quest as a catalyst for Kara and Alistair's romance. She puts them together because of her experience with Tamlen - she put off bonding with him because she thought they would have time, only to lose him before she could ever express how much she cared about him. She doesn't want to see it happen to anyone else, and so she talks to Gheyna, even though it goes wildly against Dalish custom.



It later opens her eyes to being open to love with Alistair - they may be different, but they are both Wardens, both clan of a sort, and Tamlen has taught her not to let her feelings go unsaid, or she might never get the chance.

[Gilsa]

On one playthrough, I forgot to talk to Cammen entirely until I finished the elf treaty and talked to him afterwards. His balloon said something about finally being able to go in the forest to hunt and I thought, wow, that's the best outcome -- he proves himself as a man without me having to do any work for him. I don't mind the mushy stuff, but I always felt that I was undercutting him as a provider if I had to talk his girlfriend into accepting him. On a game where I had zero coercion skills, I agreed to talk to Gheyna on his behalf, but she wouldn't let an outsider interfere so that was the end of that. And when I finished the elf storyline, Cammen was absent from camp entirely. It looked like he was probably off hunting -- no way to tell.

[Sarah1281]

Sandtigress wrote...

I actually use Cammen and Gheyna's quest as a catalyst for Kara and Alistair's romance. She puts them together because of her experience with Tamlen - she put off bonding with him because she thought they would have time, only to lose him before she could ever express how much she cared about him. She doesn't want to see it happen to anyone else, and so she talks to Gheyna, even though it goes wildly against Dalish custom.

It later opens her eyes to being open to love with Alistair - they may be different, but they are both Wardens, both clan of a sort, and Tamlen has taught her not to let her feelings go unsaid, or she might never get the chance.

And I usually do it to try and get on the clan's good side. That doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea to set Gheyna up with someone who might never prove competent enough.

[Giggles_Manically]

I may have slept with Ghenya, as my evil mage...



G: I CANT BELIEVE I DID THAT!

W: Thats what they all say.



<insert Seinfield Cigar Smile pic>

[Brockololly]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I may have slept with Ghenya, as my evil mage...

G: I CANT BELIEVE I DID THAT!
W: Thats what they all say.

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Modifié par Seagloom, 10 août 2010 - 04:01 .

[Zjarcal]

While we're still on the subject of Cammen and Gheyna, I thought it was funny, and somewhat sweet, that Gheyna would come to the defense of poor Cammen when I sided with the werewolves and attacked the Dalish camp.

Gheyna to the rescue!



For the record, this was only for testing purposes. I've never actually chosen to attack the Dalish camp.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 02 août 2010 - 04:01 .

[SurelyForth]

Zjarcal wrote...

While we're still on the subject of Cammen and Gheyna, I thought it was funny, and somewhat sweet, that Gheyna would come to the defense of poor Cammen when I sided with the werewolves and attacked the Dalish camp.

Gheyna to the rescue!

For the record, this was only for testing purposes. I've never actually chosen to attack the Dalish camp.

I did this, too. I almost did this with Ron Mahariel, just so I could take screencaps and taunt Sandtigress. It's a badass cutscene there but pretty pointless from a rp perspective.

I have never felt more dead inside than I did when I let one of my Wardens sleep with Cammen. Besides the idea of it, his reaction was so hilariously scared/disgusted that I felt insulted on my Warden's behalf. Dairren didn't complain!

[Sandtigress]

SurelyForth wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

While we're still on the subject of Cammen and Gheyna, I thought it was funny, and somewhat sweet, that Gheyna would come to the defense of poor Cammen when I sided with the werewolves and attacked the Dalish camp.

Gheyna to the rescue!

For the record, this was only for testing purposes. I've never actually chosen to attack the Dalish camp.

I did this, too. I almost did this with Ron Mahariel, just so I could take screencaps and taunt Sandtigress. It's a badass cutscene there but pretty pointless from a rp perspective.

:crying:


My blood mage will actually side with the werewolves - mostly because he feels that elves are pretty useless and the werewolves much more powerful.  He also sleeps with Gheyna.  <_<  Neither Alistair nor I approve of my bloodmage...

[Zjarcal]

SurelyForth wrote...

I have never felt more dead inside than I did when I let one of my Wardens sleep with Cammen. Besides the idea of it, his reaction was so hilariously scared/disgusted that I felt insulted on my Warden's behalf. Dairren didn't complain!

So true! You'd think he'd at least be grateful that someone, anyone, would be willing to touch him, let alone be touched by him...

[fatale-sirens]

Sandtigress wrote...

:crying:


My blood mage will actually side with the werewolves - mostly because he feels that elves are pretty useless and the werewolves much more powerful.  He also sleeps with Gheyna.  <_<  Neither Alistair nor I approve of my bloodmage...

Daww its okay my bloodmage slept with Cammen, brought Gheyna and him together afterwards, then killed them all with the werewolves.  But then she went to The Pearl and slept with that male elf and called it a day.  I felt kinda bad actually.

If only they had information in the epilogue if they did live and were together.   They better have named one of their kids after me.

[Remmirath]

I dislike both Cammen and Gheyna. My first character helped them because he basically tried to help everybody, particularly elves, but I doubt I'll do it again. Well, unless one of my other characters would definitely do it.

They are pretty fitting for each other, though. They're both whiny and annoying, and they both closely resemble one rodent or another.

I had one character who was planned to slaughter the Dalish, but I lost all sympathy and motivation I had for playing her even before then... I think I'll only do that if the character in question has a really good reason for it.

Speaking of the Dalish camp and all that, what do you guys think is up with Sarel? Why has he seemingly got beard stubble (at least, I hope it's that, and not some kind of fungus)? It perplexes me.

[Liliandra Nadiar]

Especially complex (read:odd) tattoo? He's actually part human back in his family history, most human traits managed to get breed out but for the occasional odd throw-back? Continuity error?



... Can Elves even grow beards? Can't recall off hand of any.

[Sarah1281]

He's actually part human back in his family history, most human traits managed to get breed out but for the occasional odd throw-back?

I don't think that's possible. Word of God says that if an elf and a human had a child then that child would be human and if he mated with an elf their child would be human and so on and so on down the line there would keep being human children.

Edit: And no, elves can't grow facial hair.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 02 août 2010 - 05:21 .

[Remmirath]

Yeah, I suppose oversight is probably the explanation. When I first saw him I thought he was probably a half-elf, and then I remembered how that works in Dragon Age. Maybe he's just be some kind of mutant.

That would be a pretty odd tattoo for an elf to have. Well, for anyone to have, really. 

[Addai]

I hadn't noticed, but it does indeed look like beard and moustache stubble.  I imagine it's either an oversight or there's a loophole such as Tolkien had, whereby elves in their "third course" (i.e. very old) could choose to grow a beard if they wanted one.

Modifié par Addai67, 02 août 2010 - 05:56 .

[Gilsa]

Oh, funny thing I forgot. I had a character with no points in coercion so I went ahead and approached Cammen to coax him into telling me his problem, fully expecting him to decline, but noooooooooooo. He did decline to sleep with my dwarf, phew. =p



I was more surprised by talking to that guy who lost his wife by trying to persuade him to share his story, but he declined. I had Zevran in my party and he spoke up and coaxed the guy to go ahead and tell me about his wife being a werewolf. Looked it up in the toolset and discovered that if Zevran or Leliana are in the party and I fail the check, they'll reason with the elf on my behalf. Very nice touch. I liked.

[Remmirath]

That is cool. I haven't come there yet with a character who doesn't have at least some coercion.

Addai67 wrote...
I imagine it's either an oversight or there's a loophole such as Tolkien had, whereby elves in their "third course" (i.e. very old) could choose to grow a beard if they wanted one.

He doesn't look at all old though, so I'm thinking oversight. If he were that old, I'd expect him to at least have grey hair. Or something. 

[Corker]

Addai67 wrote...
 Normally I'm all for the mushy stuff, but it ends up being the main thing people talk about with the Dalish- that and what an ass Sarel is- which contributes to the origin not being taken very seriously, I think.

I kind of Sarel.  Tell it to the Man, Sarel!  Dare to be one of the few, the proud, the NPCs who don't automatically think the Warden is the second coming of the Maker!  He's angry and unfair?  Well, sure.  After getting the short end of a filth-covered stick so many times, exactly what incentive does he have to be nice and fair?  

But by way of elf-aspected introduction...

My second playthrough was CEF.  I feel like she kind of got shorted, though.  DAO is the first computer RPG I've played, and I was more interested in "doing things differently" from my first playthrough than developing a coherent character for her.  Oddly, I also got one of my better immersion moments with her.  Sneaking and looting our way through the Arl of Denerim's estate to rescue Anora, we got to the kennels and it suddenly flashed at me that this was *that* hallway and behind *that* door was where I'd found Shianni.  I honestly had a bit of vertigo as 'then' and 'now' sort of overlapped for a second.

My fourth and current playthough is a m!Surana.  I had specificed his major choices before the playthrough, since he started as an NPC for a play-by-post game.  I decided to "flesh him out" by actually playing him.  He started out as a bit of a nebbish, but I think he's hit his stride.  He is, alas, not nearly as easy on the eyes as Ron.

[Giggles_Manically]

None is as easy on the eyes of the fairer gender as Ron, Corker.



But killing Vaughan was one thing I loved doing seeing that bastard get gutted then his head lopped off was sastifying. I did play me CEF as breaking down in that room though, or near to it and having Alistair and Wynne try to get her to move on.