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You have people shooting fire and lighting out of their fingers in this game, and your ****ing about weapon realism? If you wanna got that far heavy armor should be removed because walking on foot for more then 10 minutes in heavy armor is next to impossible. Let alone making you able to dive, roll, get up from a fall, or run for more then like 2 steps.


Not at all. I've worn full Gothic Plate. It's actually less of a burden than full chainmail because the weight distributes itself more evenly. With a chainmail hauberk, the weight rests fully on your shoulders unless you have a really sturdy belt to support it, and the skirt flaps around your legs while running; not fun to be constantly hit in the back of the knee. The joints on Gothic Plate are far more comfortable.

And while I'm on it. The classic Two-Handed Sword comes in two varieties. One is really what most fantasy settings call the bastard sword. A long sword set up for two-handed use. Two-handed techniques are far from uncommon in longsword use if you don't also use a shield, and having the off-hand on the pommel because the grip is only made for one hand has more drawbacks than advantages.

The other variety is five to six feet long, with more than a foot of it dedicated to the grip. This is the 15th century weapon you'd find on a Landsknecht. One of the main uses of this weapon was to skirmish in front of a line of pikemen and use it to attack the shafts of the enemy pikes. It wasn't exactly meant as a fencing weapon, though it's great for keeping an enemy at bay and there are some really interesting techniques you can employ where you end up using it like a scythe or weed-whacker. Oh, and you're ****ed if someone manages to close in past the first half or so of the blade, which is why the Landsknecht carried a short, heavy backup sword.

Lastly, regarding 'warhammers', I've actually yet to see one that had two flat heads in the way you often see in fantasy stories, or like the mauls of DA:O. All dedicated weapons that were hammers that I've seen had the bec-de-corbin style dropping point for puncturing armor. Mostly because there's no point in the flat head design. You want to hurt the other guy, not make music on their armour. Plate mail will dent and scrape, but you wont really put the hurt down on a guy by spreading the force of your blow over a stupidly large area. You want to concentrate it. Safely via an edge as with a flanged mace, or more effectively with the pointed 'can opener' hammerheads, though these bear the risk of becoming lodged in a shield... or an opponent.

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I can't really find weapons in Dragon Age THAT silly... 


Really? What about Mauls and the big axes. Those would be incredibly impractical  in battle. Honestly if you were "running" around in battle in the juggernaut armor and had a massive maul, you might be able to last three minutes.


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hammers were great against plate armor , you might not damage the armor but the shock-wave produced will F%##$ your internal organs

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also medieval warhammers had very small heads only a little larger than basic hammers of today, mostly in distributes the force of the blow more directly and not spread out, often on the other end would be an eagle claw or the like to crack into the full plate

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Axes and Hammers were oversized that's for sure.

But I still prefer 2h weapons, although I'd like them more if they were more realistic.

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I didn't mind the weapons too much as in the context from Dragon Age it makes some sense. But a few things that annoyed were no sheaths/enchanted sheaths (the enchanted ones keeping the runes in check when the weapons are sheathed, I mean, it just fellt silly having electricity on your back). And that weapons had to be on your back when not in use instead of at your hip (one handed weapons).



Also, the Daisycutter. That weapon broke immersion for me completely, had to destroy it (not sell, DESTROY), couldn't live with that weapon being in the game.

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I have to agree with the OP; some (not all) weapons of DAO were quiet oversized and in real life you couldn't use them in combat because they would be too slow, especially some hilt designs would be dangerous to the wielder. And I don't even want to get started with the blade weight issues.
Ok, its a fantasy game and power-ranger like weapons appeal to the younger audience, but hey, the mix of realism and fantasy already worked in Baldurs Gate and Icewind Dale. You can have both fantasy elements and some realism without killing the fun.

With more realism weapon variety wouldn't be a problem either, there are so many different blade shapes and hilt designs to choose from, you don't need no flaming swords or crazy designs.


And even crude medieval weapons can look decent without giant fantasy hilts or 10 foot blades:
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I don't care much for realism in my fantasy games, I like blades that look impossible, swords that are like claymore but can still be held in one hand, and I also like female "armor" that so many complain about, ah and right glass weapons and armor too

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I don't care much for realism in my fantasy games, I like blades that look impossible, swords that are like claymore but can still be held in one hand, and I also like female "armor" that so many complain about, ah and right glass weapons and armor too


Female 'armour'? I don't actually know what you're talking about there. I think my Warden looks great.

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But, to return to topic; I enjoy fantasy style look blades, don't get me wrong. I thought DA:O had a decent balance. My only major issue were weapon sizes. Daggers were short shorts, Longswords were greatswords; it was absurb.

They need to scale the weapons down. Luckly us PC gamers have mods that do that for us. Though, I'd like to see it as default come DA2.

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joriandrake wrote...

I don't care much for realism in my fantasy games, I like blades that look impossible, swords that are like claymore but can still be held in one hand, and I also like female "armor" that so many complain about, ah and right glass weapons and armor too


I bet you would also like darkspawn in spaceships fighting armored dinosaurs equipped with lasers in DA2. Hey, its a fantasy game after all!

If you want huge amounts of ridiculousness play anime games....

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The Woldan wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

I don't care much for realism in my fantasy games, I like blades that look impossible, swords that are like claymore but can still be held in one hand, and I also like female "armor" that so many complain about, ah and right glass weapons and armor too


I bet you would also like darkspawn in spaceships fighting armored dinosaurs equipped with lasers in DA2. Hey, its a fantasy game after all!

If you want huge amounts of ridiculousness play anime games....




As an official Grognard, I've posted at length about this subject and it seems that the expletives foisting such preposterous crap on us have never held a real weapon and felt the balance and power they offer.  Konsole Kiddies and Generation Tardzilla--gotta luv dat demographic EaWare is trying to please.   Posted Image

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Lunarionsilver wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

I don't care much for realism in my fantasy games, I like blades that look impossible, swords that are like claymore but can still be held in one hand, and I also like female "armor" that so many complain about, ah and right glass weapons and armor too


Female 'armour'? I don't actually know what you're talking about there. I think my Warden looks great.

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But, to return to topic; I enjoy fantasy style look blades, don't get me wrong. I thought DA:O had a decent balance. My only major issue were weapon sizes. Daggers were short shorts, Longswords were greatswords; it was absurb.

They need to scale the weapons down. Luckly us PC gamers have mods that do that for us. Though, I'd like to see it as default come DA2.


to me it just looks like a recolored Morrigan clone



anyway, both armor and armour are correct as far I know

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The Woldan wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

I don't care much for realism in my fantasy games, I like blades that look impossible, swords that are like claymore but can still be held in one hand, and I also like female "armor" that so many complain about, ah and right glass weapons and armor too


I bet you would also like darkspawn in spaceships fighting armored dinosaurs equipped with lasers in DA2. Hey, its a fantasy game after all!

If you want huge amounts of ridiculousness play anime games....



spaceship is obviously scifi, I wouldn't want that, glass armor was already in Morrowind, and dinosaurs in D&D games, don't get insulting just because I have a different opinion of yours

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As an official Grognard, I've posted at length about this subject and it seems that the expletives foisting such preposterous crap on us have never held a real weapon and felt the balance and power they offer.  Konsole Kiddies and Generation Tardzilla--gotta luv dat demographic EaWare is trying to please.   Posted Image



I couldn't agree more, Tsuga-C, unfortunately people liking this kind of weapons and over-the-top-ness seem to be the target audience so.... screw realism. 8/
Why not a compromise? BW could make over the top weapons for the younger audience and some more realistic weapons for people like us? That would please both worlds. 
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joriandrake wrote...

I don't care much for realism in my fantasy games, I like blades that look impossible, swords that are like claymore but can still be held in one hand, and I also like female "armor" that so many complain about, ah and right glass weapons and armor too


Female 'armour'? I don't actually know what you're talking about there. I think my Warden looks great.

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But, to return to topic; I enjoy fantasy style look blades, don't get me wrong. I thought DA:O had a decent balance. My only major issue were weapon sizes. Daggers were short shorts, Longswords were greatswords; it was absurb.

They need to scale the weapons down. Luckly us PC gamers have mods that do that for us. Though, I'd like to see it as default come DA2.


to me it just looks like a recolored Morrigan clone



anyway, both armor and armour are correct as far I know


I think you're missing what I said. What do you mean by female 'armour?' I think the armour looks fine, which is why I posted the screenshot. And she's no where near Morrigan. At. All. But this isn't the thread to discuss character looks.

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Tsuga C wrote...

The Woldan wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

I don't care much for realism in my fantasy games, I like blades that look impossible, swords that are like claymore but can still be held in one hand, and I also like female "armor" that so many complain about, ah and right glass weapons and armor too


I bet you would also like darkspawn in spaceships fighting armored dinosaurs equipped with lasers in DA2. Hey, its a fantasy game after all!

If you want huge amounts of ridiculousness play anime games....




As an official Grognard, I've posted at length about this subject and it seems that the expletives foisting such preposterous crap on us have never held a real weapon and felt the balance and power they offer.  Konsole Kiddies and Generation Tardzilla--gotta luv dat demographic EaWare is trying to please.   Posted Image


if this is directed at me, I am part of a tradition upholding team where I live and have a knightly title, I also have training in the use of both medieval armor and weapons, plus I also have Ninjutsu on hobby level so I also know far eastern weapons somewhat and their use also


This doesn't deny me to be able to enjoy playing or watching fantasy genre games and movies, or read books. Crazy weapons, buildings, and armor are part of the genre since it was created, and I believe to be overly realistic might be fit into scifi but not into fantasy.

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spaceship is obviously scifi, I wouldn't want that, glass armor was already in Morrowing, and dinosaurs in D&D games, don't get insulting just because I have a different opinion of yours

But respect my opinion too, dinosaurs and spaceships are awesome, they must be in DA2! Hey its fantasy, anything is possible! And IMO armored dinosaurs are more realistic than glass weapons & armor anyway, so...Posted Image

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And she's no where near Morrigan. At. All.


She's got the dark lips like Morrigan.

If BioWare implements dinosaurs, the only thing I ask is that they implement more than just a velociraptor and a resized velociraptor. That's what Storm of Zehir did and I was supremely disappointed.

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Lunarionsilver wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Lunarionsilver wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

I don't care much for realism in my fantasy games, I like blades that look impossible, swords that are like claymore but can still be held in one hand, and I also like female "armor" that so many complain about, ah and right glass weapons and armor too


Female 'armour'? I don't actually know what you're talking about there. I think my Warden looks great.

Posted Image

But, to return to topic; I enjoy fantasy style look blades, don't get me wrong. I thought DA:O had a decent balance. My only major issue were weapon sizes. Daggers were short shorts, Longswords were greatswords; it was absurb.

They need to scale the weapons down. Luckly us PC gamers have mods that do that for us. Though, I'd like to see it as default come DA2.


to me it just looks like a recolored Morrigan clone



anyway, both armor and armour are correct as far I know


I think you're missing what I said. What do you mean by female 'armour?' I think the armour looks fine, which is why I posted the screenshot. And she's no where near Morrigan. At. All. But this isn't the thread to discuss character looks.


I mean armor with décolletage

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The Woldan wrote...

spaceship is obviously scifi, I wouldn't want that, glass armor was already in Morrowing, and dinosaurs in D&D games, don't get insulting just because I have a different opinion of yours

But respect my opinion too, dinosaurs and spaceships are awesome, they must be in DA2! Hey its fantasy, anything is possible! And IMO armored dinosaurs are more realistic than glass weapons & armor anyway, so...Posted Image


Who knows what other landmasses look like, maybe even the home of the qunari really do have dinosaurs, and if the setting adds them correctly I wouldn't mind them

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joriandrake wrote...

Lunarionsilver wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Lunarionsilver wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

I don't care much for realism in my fantasy games, I like blades that look impossible, swords that are like claymore but can still be held in one hand, and I also like female "armor" that so many complain about, ah and right glass weapons and armor too


Female 'armour'? I don't actually know what you're talking about there. I think my Warden looks great.

Posted Image

But, to return to topic; I enjoy fantasy style look blades, don't get me wrong. I thought DA:O had a decent balance. My only major issue were weapon sizes. Daggers were short shorts, Longswords were greatswords; it was absurb.

They need to scale the weapons down. Luckly us PC gamers have mods that do that for us. Though, I'd like to see it as default come DA2.


to me it just looks like a recolored Morrigan clone



anyway, both armor and armour are correct as far I know


I think you're missing what I said. What do you mean by female 'armour?' I think the armour looks fine, which is why I posted the screenshot. And she's no where near Morrigan. At. All. But this isn't the thread to discuss character looks.


I mean armor with décolletage


Ah. Gotcha.

I only support garments like that if the men also run around in nothing but loincloths and cloaks a la 300.
*Drools* ;)

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Lunarionsilver wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Lunarionsilver wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Lunarionsilver wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

I don't care much for realism in my fantasy games, I like blades that look impossible, swords that are like claymore but can still be held in one hand, and I also like female "armor" that so many complain about, ah and right glass weapons and armor too


Female 'armour'? I don't actually know what you're talking about there. I think my Warden looks great.

Posted Image

But, to return to topic; I enjoy fantasy style look blades, don't get me wrong. I thought DA:O had a decent balance. My only major issue were weapon sizes. Daggers were short shorts, Longswords were greatswords; it was absurb.

They need to scale the weapons down. Luckly us PC gamers have mods that do that for us. Though, I'd like to see it as default come DA2.


to me it just looks like a recolored Morrigan clone



anyway, both armor and armour are correct as far I know


I think you're missing what I said. What do you mean by female 'armour?' I think the armour looks fine, which is why I posted the screenshot. And she's no where near Morrigan. At. All. But this isn't the thread to discuss character looks.


I mean armor with décolletage


Ah. Gotcha.

I only support garments like that if the men also run around in nothing but loincloths and cloaks a la 300.
*Drools* ;)


sure, why not? both of these were working for Conan too

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Who knows what other landmasses look like, maybe even the home of the qunari really do have dinosaurs, an if the setting adds them correctly I wouldn't mind them


And what about spaceships?
 The Qunari have a very advanced technology, I wouldn't be shocked if they had tanks , battle cruisers and Iowa-class battleships.

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The Woldan wrote...

joriandrake wrote...
Who knows what other landmasses look like, maybe even the home of the qunari really do have dinosaurs, an if the setting adds them correctly I wouldn't mind them


And what about spaceships? The Qunari have a very advanced technology, I wouldn't be shocked if they had tanks , battle cruisers and Iowa-class battleships.

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ok, stop the trolling. now.

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joriandrake wrote...

ok, stop the trolling. now.



What I am trying to say is that just because its a fantasy game it doesn't mean that its a good idea to throw realism over board.
But you don't get it anyway, so...have fun with your glass weapons and dinosaurs.

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