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[crimzontearz]

Spartas Husky wrote...

TOBY FLENDERSON wrote...
This is because Bioware is still a company and has to rationalize its expenditure of resources.
Free=short and empty

Payed=long and empty.

fixed

I have to agree to a point...the only thing Overlord Accomplished was to give Renegades an opportunity to get an army of geth in ME3

[Spartas Husky]

I dont mind Overlord. It would have a good worthy DLC, if I have had firefights a LOT more often... but... you go probably 80% of the DLC... just going around on foot or on the hammerhead.... I paid to fight and blow stuff up, not to look at the nice scenery.... now if I can look at a nice scenery while blowing some geth up... feel free.



I feel I had more fun for my money, paying for Garrus armor, even though it should have been in the game from the beginning, than with overlord.

[didymos1120]

crimzontearz wrote...
I have to agree to a point...the only thing Overlord Accomplished was to give Renegades an opportunity to get an army of geth in ME3

Well, you know, besides telling what many found to be a nice little story about a jerkass scientist and his poor, autistic brother who got conscripted into being the new geth overlord and was possibly driven permanently mad as a result.   Oh, and letting you shoot Space Cows, who, as it turns out, are no match for guided missiles.  Mustn't forget that.

[LPPrince]

People need to think about things before they type.

Lets say the 19 or so DLCs we have and will get out of ME2 were in the game from the start.

The game would probably be on 3 disks(consoles), meaning it would cost more to produce and sell.

It'd also be a nagging pain for a large group of players who hate having to get up to switch disks.

Even worse, the game would still be $60, thus Bioware and EA wouldn't be getting any more profit from it.

Instead, they set a team aside to work on nothing but DLC while the main team works on the main game.

This way, there's no extra cost having to be paid for a third disk. Its also much easier on the consumer as they can be handled as simple downloads.

The best part is now they can charge for these DLC's, thus giving them more money to be spent on creating more DLC's and whole games.

It also keeps the interest of the players and keeps them coming back to their game, as well as keeping them interested all the way into the next game.

Its a win win for them.

People might say its a loss for the gamer, but how so?

None of the DLC's are part of the main game. They're extras. Bonuses.

When you paid for Mass Effect 2, you got 100% of it.

With DLC's, you get an extra 2% here, 5% there, 10% later, etc etc.

You don't need to get them. So if you're worried that the company is "Nickel and Diming" you, than don't purchase said DLC's.

Thing is, the company needs to make money. DLCs are a great way for them to keep a steady stream of profit while keeping the fanbase happy and keeping interest in the product.

Its a win/win/win.

I have yet to see proof that the company willingly excluded content from the main game JUST to make extra money out of a DLC. Shale(DAO), Zaeed and Kasumi(ME2) weren't ready. And two of those were free.

So until I see said "nickel and diming", that argument is invalid.

Modifié par LPPrince, 02 août 2010 - 02:18 .

[sickserb]

LPPrince wrote...

sickserb wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

sickserb wrote...

you know what, forget free.

they should pay US to play

That was like a joke, except it wasn't funny.

It's funny to me.

thank you mesina, i see you are someone i can be friends with in real life

LPP, you suck

Pfft. 

ahh i knew you weren't mean

[LPPrince]

sickserb wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

sickserb wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

sickserb wrote...

you know what, forget free.

they should pay US to play

That was like a joke, except it wasn't funny.

It's funny to me.

thank you mesina, i see you are someone i can be friends with in real life

LPP, you suck

Pfft. 

ahh i knew you weren't mean

LIES! 

[Onyx Jaguar]

hmm DLC



yeah Point Lookout was better than the core Fallout 3 package



so your opinions are invalid gif

[Spartas Husky]

LPPrince wrote...

People need to think about things before they type.

Lets say the 19 or so DLCs we have and will get out of ME2 were in the game from the start.

The game would probably be on 3 disks(consoles), meaning it would cost more to produce and sell.

It'd also be a nagging pain for a large group of players who hate having to get up to switch disks.

Even worse, the game would still be $60, thus Bioware and EA wouldn't be getting any more profit from it.

Instead, they set a team aside to work on nothing but DLC while the main team works on the main game.

This way, there's no extra cost having to be paid for a third disk. Its also much easier on the consumer as they can be handled as simple downloads.

The best part is now they can charge for these DLC's, thus giving them more money to be spent on creating more DLC's and whole games.

It also keeps the interest of the players and keeps them coming back to their game, as well as keeping them interested all the way into the next game.

Its a win win for them.

People might say its a loss for the gamer, but how so?

None of the DLC's are part of the main game. They're extras. Bonuses.

When you paid for Mass Effect 2, you got 100% of it.

With DLC's, you get an extra 2% here, 5% there, 10% later, etc etc.

You don't need to get them. So if you're worried that the company is "Nickel and Diming" you, than don't purchase said DLC's.

Thing is, the company needs to make money. DLCs are a great way for them to keep a steady stream of profit while keeping the fanbase happy and keeping interest in the product.

Its a win/win/win.

I have yet to see proof that the company willingly excluded content from the main game JUST to make extra money out of a DLC. Shale(DAO), Zaeed and Kasumi(ME2) weren't ready. And two of those were free.

So until I see said "nickel and diming", that argument is invalid.

nvm to everything I said. Nothing can be said if your the type to protect Bioware even if the DLC theys ell us for 560 is a hang on the wall clock without batteries.

Lets agree to disagree over what "100%" of ME2 is.

[Landline]

If it's critical to ME3s story: Yes.



If the story can get by just fine without it: No.

[chapa3]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

hmm DLC

yeah Point Lookout was better than the core Fallout 3 package

so your opinions are invalid gif

Point Lookout was damn genius. Now Mothership Zeta on the otherhand...

[Spartas Husky]

chapa3 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

hmm DLC

yeah Point Lookout was better than the core Fallout 3 package

so your opinions are invalid gif

Point Lookout was damn genius. Now Mothership Zeta on the otherhand...

Point lookout forgot which one is that... is that the Alaska Reclamation, or the one on weirdo inbreed land?

[LPPrince]

Spartas Husky wrote...
\\Nothing can be said if your the type to protect Bioware even if the DLC theys ell us for 560 is a hang on the wall clock without batteries.

If a DLC sucks, it sucks. If its overpriced, its overpriced. The point is, no one's forcing you to get it.

I play Modern Warfare 2, but I'll be damned if I spend $30 on 10 maps. Screw that. That is a perfect case of overpriced product.

Bioware has done no such thing. People may argue that a DLC was a bit overpriced, but nowhere as much as MW2's.

[chapa3]

The Maryland State Park one. Operation Anchorage was the Alaska Reclamation (which was a lot of fun, but too short for the price).

[Spartas Husky]

LPPrince wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...
\\\\Nothing can be said if your the type to protect Bioware even if the DLC theys ell us for 560 is a hang on the wall clock without batteries.

If a DLC sucks, it sucks. If its overpriced, its overpriced. The point is, no one's forcing you to get it.

I play Modern Warfare 2, but I'll be damned if I spend $30 on 10 maps. Screw that. That is a perfect case of overpriced product.

Bioware has done no such thing. People may argue that a DLC was a bit overpriced, but nowhere as much as MW2's.

If it sucks, it sucks. true. But I am giving my honest critizism about their lazyness.

What your doing is fighting on behalf of a group that has a track record of being excellent, and suddenly decided to be lazy.

Dont care bout MW.. lol I never buy anything from them.



WHat I have said, on other topics, and here, is that they are not doing the best work they can. They are coming short.


Overpriced... yeah Hammer head was, and sucks for my neighbor because he bought, thank god he did, saved me the cash.

Kasumi, was worth what it cost, but it was a short shootout. Thats it. It could have been better.
If Overlord costs the same as Kasumi... then it was the opposite, long empty.

Even if they were not Biowares best work, the good things about those 2 DLC make up for their bad parts, which doesn't make them great, it just means they cut even, neither rising above the rest nor sinking, just barely floating.
I have never stated their DLC's were overpriced. They are reasonable, for average gameplay, but Bioware isn't known for average gameplay.

My worries are that if "these" are the best they can do for 560, and I am eagerly waiting for the bridging DLC's then for them to later on do something actually worth it, is going to end up costing like MW or gears DLC's. That is my worry, that DLC that barely float are 560. The ideal of a DLC, is considerale length, with plenty of dialogue, and reasonable shootouts... So kasumi and Overlord put together... I hope I am wrong, but that will suck if the price is also putting the 2 dlc's together.

Will I buy them if I am right, heck no, but still I am worried I will miss out because of certain unknown factors that are making Bioware, either not work to their full capacity, or holding them back in order to squeeze pockets later.

[Spartas Husky]

sixpense wrote...

Kamagawa wrote...

Do you think the DLC that bridges ME2 and ME3 be free?
I think it should.

Personally since I purchased ME and the collector's edition of ME2 I should never have to pay for another Mass Effect product again... in fact I should automatically get ME3 for free!! Gimme, gimme, gimme dammit.  /sarcasm

ACtually I agree. I just preordered a normal copy with my sexy terminus gear,never buy special editions....waste of money. But someone that does should get substantial free content, and not the excuse that the extra 10 bucks was for little freebies on videos or whatnot.

[snfonseka]

Kamagawa wrote...

Do you think the DLC that bridges ME2 and ME3 be free?
I think it should.

If you are hoping to get a good DLC then you will have to pay for it.

[didymos1120]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Overpriced... yeah Hammer head was, and sucks for my neighbor because he bought, thank god he did, saved me the cash.

Wait, wait, wait: how do you even pay for the Hammerhead?  You can only get it off the Cerberus Network, which comes with every new copy of the game.   Even if you did buy the game used and ended up paying for the CN, you'd also get Zaeed, the Normandy Crash Site, Cerberus Armor, Eviscerator Shotgun, and the Arc Projector.

[Spartas Husky]

snfonseka wrote...

Kamagawa wrote...

Do you think the DLC that bridges ME2 and ME3 be free?
I think it should.

If you are hoping to get a good DLC then you will have to pay for it.

thats what she said... erm I mean thats that hammer head said.

btw Bioware ME2 dictionary :

Good: Adjetive (dont quote me... dont remember if good is an adjetive lol)
barely Floating, not medicre, not exceptional, just enough to pass, leaving no sense of accomplishment nor belonging for more..... not enough for facepalm, not but enough for a hug.

Bioware ME1 Dictionary:
Good: Exemplary, good, enough to stand out, in need of more... overall well deserved, owes Bioware a toast.

[Thompson family]

I have to agree to a point...the only thing Overlord Accomplished was to give Renegades an opportunity to get an army of geth in ME3

That's some "only" thing.

[snfonseka]

Thompson family wrote...

I have to agree to a point...the only thing Overlord Accomplished was to give Renegades an opportunity to get an army of geth in ME3

That's some "only" thing.

I don't think so. Because this is a DLC the impact of it will be minimum.

[sickserb]

snfonseka wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

I have to agree to a point...the only thing Overlord Accomplished was to give Renegades an opportunity to get an army of geth in ME3

That's some "only" thing.

I don't think so. Because this is a DLC the impact of it will be minimum.

but your choice in the quarian/geth war in tali's loyalty mission could screw that up, seeing as how if you were renegade and you said they should go to war, than your geth army will be in war with the quarians

[Rip504]

Bioware/EA is worthy of my money.

[KingDan97]

I want to comment on something. Not to shatter hopes but I don't expect a proper "Expansion Pack". If Bioware made an expansion pack there would be an obligation to the stigmas that surround them that there would need to be a new central "point" to it. Not just, "Hey guys here's 20 hours of gameplay to tide you over." but something more like "OMG GUYS YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT! THE COLLECTORS HAD 5 MORE BASES IN THE GALACTIC CORE! GO GET 5 MORE GUYS AND GET THEM LOYAL THEN DEAL WITH OTHER VARIOUS THINGS AROUND THE GALAXY TO PREPARE!"(Remember kiddies, caps are how you get a point across intelligently) I wouldn't have an issue persay about an expansion pack but I'd rather see individual high quality scenes across a period then all of then Bioware making a loose plot connection between several scenes. I understand that WE may not care about a central thing tying it all together except for the imminent reaper threat but I'm sure reviews would sour significantly.