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My Questions are.

1.Do all qunari have weapons made just for them. (like Sten's sword)

2.Do qunari have rogues.

3.Can they grow Beards. (Most important question)


could some one please answer my questions:crying:


The late George Steinbrenner was a Qunari, no beards!

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When looking at Qunari technology, is there any field where they're less developed than other nations of Thedas?

It seems to me that having access to gunpowder makes their society quite a bit more advanced when compared to others.
So, are the Qunari held back from conquering Thedas by the fact that other nations have more developed magic and more effective mages or are there some other disadvantages that they're forced to overcome?

Also, how is Qunari military when compared to other nations? We know Ferelden lacks cavalry but has wardogs to compensate. Do Qunari also suffer the lack of some military units (such as cavalry)?

Or are they being held back purely by magic and numbers of their enemies?

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Yes, it's magic that has held them back from conquering Thedas. Since qunari mages are leashed up all the time, they never get the chance to really utilize their powers in combat, unlike the Chantry trained mages or especially the Tevinter mages.

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Dick Delaware wrote...

Yes, it's magic that has held them back from conquering Thedas. Since qunari mages are leashed up all the time, they never get the chance to really utilize their powers in combat, unlike the Chantry trained mages or especially the Tevinter mages.


And the Qunari troops were fewer in number too.

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Ms. Kirby, I could kiss you for your active and informative participation about the Qunari…….but I won’t.



There are just a couple of points (IMO) where it seems there is a bit of a flaw when looking at the Qunari reproduction system. The indication that the Tamassrans are responsible for managing the breeding of EVERY individual in the society seems a little improbable. That’s dealing with 10’s of thousands of individuals. It also makes me think that you would begin to run into problems with genetic diversity. If the Tamassrans are breeding for specific traits it might be expected that a male with the strongest display of those traits will be paired with a number of females who display compatible traits. That would indicate that a part of the population is not putting its genes forward and contributing to the gene pool. Given enough time that would hinder a race. It would also seem that you would end up with a wide variety of Qunani, not unlike dogs, each Qunari is bred to fulfill a certain roll. Merchants don’t necessarily have a need to be 8 feet tall and uber muscular. But, from what information is available, Qunari are easily recognized as the race ‘Qunari’ in Seheron and Par Vollon.



Also, one of the things that is displayed by all life is the instinct to pass your genes to the next generation. The Qunari are very mentally disciplined but it seems unlikely, especially given the warrior “caste” build, that there wouldn’t be a certain level of unregulated matings. I only use the warrior as an example because they are bred to be bigger, more aggressive, and powerful than your average Qunari. Size and muscle mass are influenced (in part) by testosterone and testosterone has its own influence on the brain.



The thing that stuck out the most, to me, was the mother’s involvement. Considering the conditions that we see in DA, a mother passing a newborn to the Tamassrans wouldn’t seem efficient or sensible. There is not infant formula or bottles. Unless there is an entire portion of the Qunari devoted to the job “wet nurse” this system wouldn’t work. For as advanced as the Qunari are, clean water and food would still be a consideration for infants and toddlers. A female Qunari nursing her offspring for a year + would be feasible before handing the child to the Tamassrans. It would also mean that she could resume her role to the fullest in whatever job she possessed before.



Before this becomes any worse for a wall of text….I know this is a fantasy world, the Qunari can behave by their own rules within that world AND I shouldn’t be applying my perceptions of what humans and life do in this Earth to that of Thedas…..but it’s really been bugging me.


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KSuri wrote...

The thing that stuck out the most, to me, was the mother’s involvement. Considering the conditions that we see in DA, a mother passing a newborn to the Tamassrans wouldn’t seem efficient or sensible. There is not infant formula or bottles. Unless there is an entire portion of the Qunari devoted to the job “wet nurse” this system wouldn’t work. For as advanced as the Qunari are, clean water and food would still be a consideration for infants and toddlers. A female Qunari nursing her offspring for a year + would be feasible before handing the child to the Tamassrans. It would also mean that she could resume her role to the fullest in whatever job she possessed before.


I'm 99% certain that there is.

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KSuri wrote...

The thing that stuck out the most, to me, was the mother’s involvement. Considering the conditions that we see in DA, a mother passing a newborn to the Tamassrans wouldn’t seem efficient or sensible. There is not infant formula or bottles. Unless there is an entire portion of the Qunari devoted to the job “wet nurse” this system wouldn’t work.

Considering they have parts of population devoted to every other job, having designated wet nurses seem highly likely. A skilled professional can take good care of the child while the mother can go back to what task she happens to be best at. This does seem both efficient and sensible, more efficient at least than having a highly skilled specialist taken away from her role and expected to do something she has little experience with for year or more.

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Herr Uhl wrote...

KSuri wrote...

The thing that stuck out the most, to me, was the mother’s involvement. Considering the conditions that we see in DA, a mother passing a newborn to the Tamassrans wouldn’t seem efficient or sensible. There is not infant formula or bottles. Unless there is an entire portion of the Qunari devoted to the job “wet nurse” this system wouldn’t work. For as advanced as the Qunari are, clean water and food would still be a consideration for infants and toddlers. A female Qunari nursing her offspring for a year + would be feasible before handing the child to the Tamassrans. It would also mean that she could resume her role to the fullest in whatever job she possessed before.


I'm 99% certain that there is.


Wet nurses only work when the woman has recently given birth herself. If they don't allow the mothers to breast feed, then there'd be this neverending chain of wet nurses needed for babies that aren't theirs.

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Saibh wrote...

Wet nurses only work when the woman has recently given birth herself.

Yes. I suppose part of the job involves getting pregnant, frequently.

edit: actually, doing some quick search it'd appear the recent childbirth isn't always required for lactation to occur.

Modifié par tmp7704, 04 août 2010 - 05:18 .


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It's a kind of catch 22. A woman will lactate for as long as there is a child drinking her milk. however, the quality of milk changes over time and there would be a point where she would need to become pregnant again to 1.) pass on her super lactating genes and 2.) replenish the supply. There would also have to be close regulation on how many children were born if there is a "wet nurse" job. A 1:1 ratio would be expected though you might be able to pull 2:1 or 3:1 depending on the female.

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Saibh wrote...

Wet nurses only work when the woman has recently given birth herself.

That's not true at all. A woman just needs to be lactating and that can be facilitated by regular suckling (which causes a neural reflex of prolactin)

Modifié par Johnny Jaded, 04 août 2010 - 05:23 .


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tmp7704 wrote...

KSuri wrote...

The thing that stuck out the most, to me, was the mother’s involvement. Considering the conditions that we see in DA, a mother passing a newborn to the Tamassrans wouldn’t seem efficient or sensible. There is not infant formula or bottles. Unless there is an entire portion of the Qunari devoted to the job “wet nurse” this system wouldn’t work.

Considering they have parts of population devoted to every other job, having designated wet nurses seem highly likely. A skilled professional can take good care of the child while the mother can go back to what task she happens to be best at. This does seem both efficient and sensible, more efficient at least than having a highly skilled specialist taken away from her role and expected to do something she has little experience with for year or more.


The problem runs comes with how many wet nurses are there? It doesn't make sense (to me) for a large portion of females to not be contributing to the things like food production (farming) because their only job is wet nursing. It makes more sense (to me) to have a woman nurse her own infant for the year or so while still performing her regular job. History suggests that women can still farm AND breast feed.

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KSuri wrote...
The problem runs comes with how many wet nurses are there? It doesn't make sense (to me) for a large portion of females to not be contributing to the things like food production (farming) because their only job is wet nursing. It makes more sense (to me) to have a woman nurse her own infant for the year or so while still performing her regular job. History suggests that women can still farm AND breast feed.


Logistically speaking, Qunari are impossible people. They are NOT human in their mentality... Why do you think they should be in physiology?

I mean c'mon, there is an honest chance that they don't suckle at all! Remember Sten? He lived of a bucket of moonshine and and fresh air for about a month!

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captain.subtle wrote...

KSuri wrote...
The problem runs comes with how many wet nurses are there? It doesn't make sense (to me) for a large portion of females to not be contributing to the things like food production (farming) because their only job is wet nursing. It makes more sense (to me) to have a woman nurse her own infant for the year or so while still performing her regular job. History suggests that women can still farm AND breast feed.


Logistically speaking, Qunari are impossible people. They are NOT human in their mentality... Why do you think they should be in physiology?

I mean c'mon, there is an honest chance that they don't suckle at all! Remember Sten? He lived of a bucket of moonshine and and fresh air for about a month!


You did notice the disclaimer at the end of my post no? I realize they aren't human, or that there is any concrete evidence they are even mammals. But, as mammals are what they outwardly appear to be I couldn't help thinking about it. It's hard for me to imagine a Qunari being born like a shark, the size of a two year old and already able to care for itself to a degree.

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KSuri wrote...

You did notice the disclaimer at the end of my post no? I realize they aren't human, or that there is any concrete evidence they are even mammals. But, as mammals are what they outwardly appear to be I couldn't help thinking about it. It's hard for me to imagine a Qunari being born like a shark, the size of a two year old and already able to care for itself to a degree.


Oh I did notice the disclaimer and I was pleasantly surprised too :)

And they do DEFINITELY need to care for their young.

I am just saying that Qunari can have any number of fantastic traits yet unrevealed considering *snort* how little we have seen of them.... And all this radio silence about the Qunari females.... It is not entirely a giveaway I grant you.. but is something, right?

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KSuri wrote...

The problem runs comes with how many wet nurses are there? It doesn't make sense (to me) for a large portion of females to not be contributing to the things like food production (farming) because their only job is wet nursing. It makes more sense (to me) to have a woman nurse her own infant for the year or so while still performing her regular job. History suggests that women can still farm AND breast feed.


Why leave such an important job as taking care of an infant to amateurs? That is at least as important as farming.

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Herr Uhl wrote...
Why leave such an important job as taking care of an infant to amateurs? That is at least as important as farming.


Presuming they would breast feed for a year + AND said farmer female would be expected to become pregnant multiple times across her lifetime it seems she would become rather adept at feeding, wiping bottoms, and cleaning snotty noses rather quickly. ;)

captain.subtle wrote...

Oh I did notice the disclaimer and
I was pleasantly surprised too :)

And they do DEFINITELY need to
care for their young.

I am just saying that Qunari can have any
number of fantastic traits yet unrevealed considering *snort* how
little we have seen of them.... And all this radio silence about the
Qunari females.... It is not entirely a giveaway I grant you.. but is
something, right?



Yes, the radio silence on the Female Qunari is quite frustrating and is either going to be an in game surprise that knocks us on our collective asses or is something that is never going to be addressed in detail just to keep suspense up.

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KSuri wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...
Why leave such an important job as taking care of an infant to amateurs? That is at least as important as farming.


Presuming they would breast feed for a year + AND said farmer female would be expected to become pregnant multiple times across her lifetime it seems she would become rather adept at feeding, wiping bottoms, and cleaning snotty noses rather quickly. ;)


One wetnurse can take care of more than one child at the time, thus making them more efficient. Why should you have Qunari females taking care of their own offspring?

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I'm sure a wet nurse can care for more than one child at a time, by care I mean nurse and provide all the comfort and other necessities infants usually require. But what's the ratio? How many infants can a Qunari woman nurse at a time compared to the number of infants needing fed? Let's not even consider that she helps with the bundles of older children at all but instead receives aid from older females who are no longer able to nurse. How many wet nurses are needed in order for a population to grow and not just stay stable? And, how many females fill that position without taking away from other essential positions like food production?


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KSuri wrote...

I'm sure a wet nurse can care for more than one child at a time, by care I mean nurse and provide all the comfort and other necessities infants usually require. But what's the ratio? How many infants can a Qunari woman nurse at a time compared to the number of infants needing fed? Let's not even consider that she helps with the bundles of older children at all but instead receives aid from older females who are no longer able to nurse. How many wet nurses are needed in order for a population to grow and not just stay stable? And, how many females fill that position without taking away from other essential positions like food production?


Why would she help with the older children? They would be taught by the Talmassran by then.

And they keep an eye on how many get born, I think they have the figures all figured out. When they are all nursed out they help with other things than lactating. That isn't all there is to raising a toddler right?

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Herr Uhl wrote...

KSuri wrote...

I'm sure a wet nurse can care for more than one child at a time, by care I mean nurse and provide all the comfort and other necessities infants usually require. But what's the ratio? How many infants can a Qunari woman nurse at a time compared to the number of infants needing fed? Let's not even consider that she helps with the bundles of older children at all but instead receives aid from older females who are no longer able to nurse. How many wet nurses are needed in order for a population to grow and not just stay stable? And, how many females fill that position without taking away from other essential positions like food production?


Why would she help with the older children? They would be taught by the Talmassran by then.

And they keep an eye on how many get born, I think they have the figures all figured out. When they are all nursed out they help with other things than lactating. That isn't all there is to raising a toddler right?


I think I mentioned something to that affect. A wet nurse would just be nursing/infant care but ALSO receiving aid from older females. I think we all know raising kids isn't an easy task and anyone who's had more than one in the infant stage knows that better than most. But, serioiusly, how many children at these wet nurses nursing? 2:1, 3:1? It takes a lot of calories for brain and body development so it would stand to reason that there is a finate number of children a female could nurse, and maybe not all are able to nurse the same number of babies. So how does your population grow when instead of having 100 females nursing and caring for their infants that first year or so there is only 30 wet nurses with a 2:1 infant ratio?

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Right.

And considering they are warlike AND do not invoke conscription, they must have HUGE number of children... (sick)

Modifié par captain.subtle, 04 août 2010 - 07:03 .


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KSuri wrote...

I think I mentioned something to that affect. A wet nurse would just be nursing/infant care but ALSO receiving aid from older females. I think we all know raising kids isn't an easy task and anyone who's had more than one in the infant stage knows that better than most. But, serioiusly, how many children at these wet nurses nursing? 2:1, 3:1? It takes a lot of calories for brain and body development so it would stand to reason that there is a finate number of children a female could nurse, and maybe not all are able to nurse the same number of babies. So how does your population grow when instead of having 100 females nursing and caring for their infants that first year or so there is only 30 wet nurses with a 2:1 infant ratio?


Having wet nurses means that your productivity is easier to predict over time. There are women in the leading roles of Qunari society too (well, mainly women), they can't be away for too long.

Lets say that they can handle three at once, and keep their average at 2. That would still be more efficient than not having them.

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Herr Uhl wrote...

Having wet nurses means that your productivity is easier to predict over time. There are women in the leading roles of Qunari society too (well, mainly women), they can't be away for too long.

Lets say that they can handle three at once, and keep their average at 2. That would still be more efficient than not having them.


Maybe, it will be interesting to see if there is any comment one way or another. Who knows, maybe Qunari are born in clusters of tiny larva like creatures who are placed in warm, salty, lyrium filled waters where they filter feed until they metamorphis into childlike beings where they are then collected and begin their life in the creches. ::whistle:

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a side question and perhaps a plot-breaker:



Do Qunari use Lyrium at all?