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[Herr Uhl]

KSuri wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Having wet nurses means that your productivity is easier to predict over time. There are women in the leading roles of Qunari society too (well, mainly women), they can't be away for too long.

Lets say that they can handle three at once, and keep their average at 2. That would still be more efficient than not having them.

Maybe, it will be interesting to see if there is any comment one way or another. Who knows, maybe Qunari are born in clusters of tiny larva like creatures who are placed in warm, salty, lyrium filled waters where they filter feed until they metamorphis into childlike beings where they are then collected and begin their life in the creches. :

They have nipples. Thus I assume that they are mammals.

[captain.subtle]

By that logic even Darkspawn suckle their babes...

[captain.subtle]

I wonder why the demons have breasts... (before you say it I read what David Gaider said...)

[tmp7704]

KSuri wrote...

But, serioiusly, how many children at these wet nurses nursing? 2:1, 3:1? It takes a lot of calories for brain and body development so it would stand to reason that there is a finate number of children a female could nurse, and maybe not all are able to nurse the same number of babies.

Well, it'd appear there's a possibility to take care of couple more than that:

Dr Gabrielle Palmer[5] states:
"There is no medical reason why women should not lactate indefinitely or feed more than one child simultaneously (known as 'tandem feeding')... some women could theoretically be able to feed up to five babies.[6]"

Now, i don't know how accurate Dr Palmer is in her estimation, but if you add to that selective breeding performed for generations to enhance desired traits, it's possible qunari wet nurses could be capable of handling such numbers. At such scale it becomes pretty effective, i'd imagine.

Also, i'm having this nasty mental image of the broodmother. Can't explain why.

[KSuri]

tmp7704 wrote...

KSuri wrote...

But, serioiusly, how many children at these wet nurses nursing? 2:1, 3:1? It takes a lot of calories for brain and body development so it would stand to reason that there is a finate number of children a female could nurse, and maybe not all are able to nurse the same number of babies.

Well, it'd appear there's a possibility to take care of couple more than that:

Dr Gabrielle Palmer[5] states:
"There is no medical reason why women should not lactate indefinitely or feed more than one child simultaneously (known as 'tandem feeding')... some women could theoretically be able to feed up to five babies.[6]"

Now, i don't know how accurate Dr Palmer is in her estimation, but if you add to that selective breeding performed for generations to enhance desired traits, it's possible qunari wet nurses could be capable of handling such numbers. At such scale it becomes pretty effective, i'd imagine.

Also, i'm having this nasty mental image of the broodmother. Can't explain why.

Theoretically key word. Even breeding for that trait, and a woman who is nursing all the time. There is a limit on how many babies she can feed and still have all of them develop in a healthy fashion.

Look, I know this discussion is dragging on much longer than I ever intended it to. And it's gone in a direction that was unexpected, we're talking about lactation for crying out loud! lol 

[Malanek]

KSuri wrote...
The thing that stuck out the most, to me, was the mother’s involvement. Considering the conditions that we see in DA, a mother passing a newborn to the Tamassrans wouldn’t seem efficient or sensible. There is not infant formula or bottles. Unless there is an entire portion of the Qunari devoted to the job “wet nurse” this system wouldn’t work. For as advanced as the Qunari are, clean water and food would still be a consideration for infants and toddlers. A female Qunari nursing her offspring for a year + would be feasible before handing the child to the Tamassrans. It would also mean that she could resume her role to the fullest in whatever job she possessed before.

From what we have heard of the Qunari it wouldn't surprise me if all lactating Qunari had to report to a "feeding station" at 8 hour intervals. And that they get those babies onto solids as quickly as possible. 

[Anarya]

You guys are cracking me up here with your academic discussion on Qunari lactation.



To add my 2 cents though I think it would make the most sense if they had some sort of "formula" to feed the babies. I have no doubt that childcare is a dedicated Qunari occupation but the nursing problem complicates things.

[Kileyan]

Yeh too much lactating talk.



Think of how much cash will saved in voice acting if Qunari play a large role in this or another expansion!



No , yes, irrelevant , grumble and growl will cover dozens of scenes of camp chats, party banter and quest dialog.

[mildmort]

I think I don't know about Qunari nursing system.

When in war state, population may compeled to grow unnaturally.

A war always produces sad tales.

[taine]

From what the devs have said, the Qunari sound like a weird mix of an extreme Marxist society and the Peacekeepers from Farscape.

[Kileyan]

Aedan lives wrote...

seems like the guys at Bioware have been reading up on Plato or atleast came up with very similar ideas to his. Well done guys.

No it isn't well done yet. It is easy to create this dream society without other influence. LIttle things add up and turn into mountains. The Qunari spend long times away from home. I assume every scouting force doesn't have a cook and blacksmith. Before you know it, the Warrior caste is learning the sharpen and repair their weapons and armor. They ran out of rations, and are learning to hunt and cook their food. For even so stoic a bunch of limited thinking peoples, they after years away from home learn to make their food tasty, and learn to fix their equipment. Jobs done by others back home.

Then they are introduced to capable warriors from these new lands. A warrior they respect who was a farmer before, a cook, a musician, or political leader. They start thinking, this very capable warrior is able to best me, equal me, or even lead me. How is that possible, my leaders say the only way to excel is to single mindedly do one thing and not question.

It won't be well done until they explore what happens when the Qun meet a race of people that through passion and pure willpower can beat their breeding program. They meet a warrior in combat, that wasn't bred to fight, he was a farmer. Their world will crash down, doubt will be seeded when they are beaten on the battlefield by people who fight because they have to, not because they are bred to fight.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

I'm guessing Qunari babies do not have horns, or else it would make for a rather painful birth. Then again...Sten's description of qunari sex to Morrigan didn't sound fun either so I expect birth to be something close to an apocalypse of pain for the mother.


Oh, and on a completely unrelated note, what kinds of food to Qunari eat? If you had to compare it to a real world cuisine, what spices would they use? They don't have cookies so likely they do not have flour based baked items. Ferelden is argueably very British, Orlais is very French, even the cuisine in a dialogue between Alistair and Lelianna seemed to confirm this. Is Qunari food...middle eastern? I could deffinitely see Sten downing a plate of falafel...mmm...falafel.

Modifié par Ryllen Laerth Kriel, 05 août 2010 - 02:41 .

[Kileyan]

Aedan lives wrote...

Kileyan wrote...

Aedan lives wrote...

seems like the guys at Bioware have been reading up on Plato or atleast came up with very similar ideas to his. Well done guys.

No it isn't well done yet. It is easy to create this dream society without other influence. LIttle things add up and turn into mountains. The Qunari spend long times away from home. I assume every scouting force doesn't have a cook and blacksmith. Before you know it, the Warrior caste is learning the sharpen and repair their weapons and armor. They ran out of rations, and are learning to hunt and cook their food. For even so stoic a bunch of limited thinking peoples, they after years away from home learn to make their food tasty, and learn to fix their equipment. Jobs done by others back home.

Then they are introduced to capable warriors from these new lands. A warrior they respect who was a farmer before, a cook, a musician, or political leader. They start thinking, this very capable warrior is able to best me, equal me, or even lead me. How is that possible, my leaders say the only way to excel is to single mindedly do one thing and not question.

It won't be well done until they explore what happens when the Qun meet a race of people that through passion and pure willpower can beat their breeding program. They meet a warrior in combat, that wasn't bred to fight, he was a farmer. Their world will crash down, doubt will be seeded when they are beaten on the battlefield by people who fight because they have to, not because they are bred to fight.

You have a pretty interesting point there.  I think your getting more into the idea of citizen soldiers fighting for freedom and property.  I think Sten's already hinted at something you've described.  He began questioning his own philosphy especially when he was confronted with a badass female warden who was better than most men. 
Ultimately I think Bioware is going to address the issue of the Qunari and how they hold their perfect society together in the face of the relatively free societies of Thedas.  (Not including the Tevinter Imperium).  Even if Sten was a bit contemptuous of Ferelden he sure wished he had the freedom to bake cookies whenever he wanted.  

IF Mary or David from Bioware read this I wonder what you guys have to say about this. 

BTW, I really do think the Qunari stuff is well done, and I love all this lore in the thread. Not sure if my post came off as bad toward Bioware, I just want less of the lore of their socieity, and more of what happens when they clash with others:) I wasn't dogging the lore or the info in this thread.

[Blumbum]

Do Qunari prefer painting their horns and nails or pondering skulls?

[Kileyan]

Blumbum wrote...

Do Qunari prefer painting their horns and nails or pondering skulls?

They find no joy in painting their horns. Some other part of their society has that job. There is a nail painting union. We aren't sure yet if the nail painters do horns, a few spies have died looking for that information.  Pondering is part of the academic part of society. They don't ponder, they just do what they are told, and be happy about it.

I supposed the nail painting caste has the best of both worlds, they can paint nails, and paint their own nails. Althought I guess the freedom to paint your own nails wouldn't be all that awesome, if that is what you did all day long as a job.

Yeh just rambling:) The Qunari world is a world of misery, no cookies.

Modifié par Kileyan, 05 août 2010 - 05:22 .

[Dick Delaware]

Aedan lives wrote...

You know the more I read the guys (and Mary's) responses about the Qunari, the more I'm reminded of Plato's Republic. He holds a dialogue through the book trying to come up with the perfect society. Plato argues for breeding of humans into pedigrees just like the Qunari do. Soldiers produce more soldiers and so on. Children are raised in a collective rather than by parents just like the Qunari. Also the collective well being is emphasized over the individual well being just like the Qunari. Granted Plato was mostly messing with his Athenian audience by argueing the Spartan society was better, still it seems like the guys at Bioware have been reading up on Plato or atleast came up with very similar ideas to his. Well done guys.

The qunari are easily the most interesting aspect of DA lore. I always felt that the game was too conservative and bland at times since it adhered to old fantasy influences too closely, but the qunari are actually really unique and interesting. Would love to see a DA game or expansion taking place entirely in a place like Seheron or Par Vollen.

It's more likely we would see an expansion within the qunari lands than a sequel, however. Unfortunately, interesting ideas aren't profitable ones.

[HighMoon]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Most of them. At best, you might see fields (like philosophy or the sciences) that have both genders, but they'd be broken down by discipline. Men would do one sort of research and women would do another. The Ben-Hassrath has both genders but again, they're separated somewhat by specialization. You will almost never find a role in Qunari society that is occupied by both genders doing exactly the same thing.

This pretty much crushes my hopes for a female Qunari companion. ;(

[Blumbum]

Also the Qunari in the concept art have the same armor/armor stitching as the Darkspawn. As someone who is paying attention more than he probably should be, I find this disturbing.

[Malanek]

Golden-Rose wrote...
This pretty much crushes my hopes for a female Qunari companion. ;(

Female Qunari mage I tell you!

[Blumbum]

Malanek999 wrote...

Golden-Rose wrote...
This pretty much crushes my hopes for a female Qunari companion. ;(

Female Qunari mage I tell you!

Perfect. Her tongue will be cut out so she wont talk.

[Kimarous]

Blumbum wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Golden-Rose wrote...
This pretty much crushes my hopes for a female Qunari companion. ;(

Female Qunari mage I tell you!

Perfect. Her tongue will be cut out so she wont talk.

Qunari mages don't have their tongues cut out unless they have performed forbidden magic. Common misconception.

[joriandrake]

Kimarous wrote...

Blumbum wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Golden-Rose wrote...
This pretty much crushes my hopes for a female Qunari companion. ;(

Female Qunari mage I tell you!

Perfect. Her tongue will be cut out so she wont talk.

Qunari mages don't have their tongues cut out unless they have performed forbidden magic. Common misconception.

he said "will be", it is just the usual trolling comment of Blumbum don't mind it

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Blumbum wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Golden-Rose wrote...
This pretty much crushes my hopes for a female Qunari companion. ;(

Female Qunari mage I tell you!

Perfect. Her tongue will be cut out so she wont talk.

Awesome, I have an idea for how we can get around this whole "every character must be voiced" trend that Bioware is getting into. DA 3, make us play as a female qunari mage. More interesting already than a human named Hawke. I have to play as a human every day, it sucks.