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[Herr Uhl]

attend wrote...

Question - So the Qunari do not have the traditional family units? Love is not a factor since breeding is..assigned?

Yes. In groups.

[Mary Kirby]

Herr Uhl wrote...

But if they continue to use you for breeding, do they go after your pedigree or your own talents? A 5:th generation soldier that turns out to become a baker, would he be used as breeding material for bakers or soldiers?

They'd probably breed him for both, and see if the baking trait passes on. Always a good idea to keep adding new blood if you want to keep a breed healthy.

attend wrote...

Question - So the Qunari do not have the traditional family units? Love is not a factor since breeding is..assigned?

Nope. No family units. They don't marry or choose partners. Qunari do not even know to whom they are related. A Qunari's "family" are his or her coworkers. Which is why Sten calls the men he served with his brothers.

Modifié par Mary Kirby, 02 août 2010 - 11:49 .

[Malanek]

Thanks for all these answers Mary. Interesting stuff.

[TheMadCat]

Nope. No family units. They don't marry or choose partners. Qunari do not even know to whom they are related.

Shouldn't they be thinning out then since it seems rather likely they would be breeding with blood relatives or do our rules of genetics not fully apply?

[UbiquitousGrue]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Qunari have been bred for specific roles for a very long time. Parentage isn't really the issue anymore: It's more like pedigree. If you're a soldier, then there have been lots and lots and lots of soldiers in your bloodline, to the extent that you were probably born with the capacity to march in formation. If you were bred to be a fisherman, you are probably drawn to water the way that Labrador Retrievers are compelled, as if by an unseen force, to jump into the swimming pools of the neighbors. But breeding doesn't mean you, specifically, are suited for the job. Maybe you're bred to be a soldier, but you turn out more intellectual -- the Tamassrans may stick you in the priesthood, researching weapons technology or the Ben-Hassrath, policing the populace, or who knows what, depending on what roles need filled by someone with your specific traits.

Interesting! I knew the Tamassrans assigned roles, but didn't realize they actually bred towards them. That... adds another layer to the tidbits of information Sten meted out in the game.
Just out of curiosity - how do the Qunari gender norms fit into that? Like, when they're breeding for soldiers, do they pick ladies with stronger builds? Is there some crossover between the farming and fighting strains, say?  Just wondering.

[tmp7704]

Mary Kirby wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

2) Do they have Gold/Diamond/Silver-Mines?

2. To some degree, they do. Those materials all have uses beyond the decorative.

Does that mean they don't utilize materials which don't have uses beyond the decorative? I.e. some type of "it's all about the substance, the form is meaningless" approach? Or am i reading too much into wording there?

[Kimarous]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

But if they continue to use you for breeding, do they go after your pedigree or your own talents? A 5:th generation soldier that turns out to become a baker, would he be used as breeding material for bakers or soldiers?

They'd probably breed him for both, and see if the baking trait passes on. Always a good idea to keep adding new blood if you want to keep a breed healthy.

What happens if someone shows aptitude for both? Say the next generation sticks with the soldier breeding but still has a passing interest in baking/cooking/whatever. Would these secondary interests be shoved aside for a complete primary focus or would he cultivate it as a secondary trait, perhaps serving as his unit's food provider?

[GraciousCat]

I have a question, I don't know if it has been answered before or not, but here goes...

Do all the Qunari in DA2 look like the concept art we've seen, or will there be Qunari more akin to what we saw in DA:O (ie, Sten or the Qunari Mercs).

[tmp7704]

TheMadCat wrote...

Shouldn't they be thinning out then since it seems rather likely they would be breeding with blood relatives or do our rules of genetics not fully apply?

If they pay such large attention to choosing optimal (genetics-wise) cross-overs, then it would only make sense for these who are in charge of picking the pairs and such to keep records of who is related to whom and avoid potentially harmful pairings.

[Anarya]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Nope. No family units. They don't marry or choose partners. Qunari do not even know to whom they are related. A Qunari's "family" are his or her coworkers. Which is why Sten calls the men he served with his brothers.

Do they fall in love at all? I expect there's "under the radar" relations going on sort of like in the Circle Tower, since they seem to have the full range of other human emotions. And if so, what happens to children of those pairings, if there are any?

[Malanek]

tmp7704 wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

Shouldn't they be thinning out then since it seems rather likely they would be breeding with blood relatives or do our rules of genetics not fully apply?

If they pay such large attention to choosing optimal (genetics-wise) cross-overs, then it would only make sense for these who are in charge of picking the pairs and such to keep records of who is related to whom and avoid potentially harmful pairings.

Even if they pay no attention to it or were unaware of it they still wouldn't be dying out. Although inbreeding dramatically increases the chances of genetic defects, a genetic defect still isn't assured. Plus if there are tens of thousands potential breeding options, the chances of striking a close blood relative are very low. It sounds like organised breeding means they would reproduce very quickly, so no I doubt they would be dying out.

I am curious as to what happens to a Qunari child born with a serious defect. Are they put to death?

[Kimarous]

GraciousCat wrote...

I have a question, I don't know if it has been answered before or not, but here goes...
Do all the Qunari in DA2 look like the concept art we've seen, or will there be Qunari more akin to what we saw in DA:O (ie, Sten or the Qunari Mercs).

Besides the fact that the the Qunari in Origins (including Sten) are all hornless while the DA2 Qunari will include the more common horned breed, I don't think we have to worry too much about different appearances. True, the concept DA2 Qunari was all white and red, but I'm pretty sure that both the white and red portions are all either tattoos or body paint. In other words, I personally think the majority will still have bronze skin, assuming they aren't all similarly decorated.

[Herr Uhl]

Anarya wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

Nope. No family units. They don't marry or choose partners. Qunari do not even know to whom they are related. A Qunari's "family" are his or her coworkers. Which is why Sten calls the men he served with his brothers.

Do they fall in love at all? I expect there's "under the radar" relations going on sort of like in the Circle Tower, since they seem to have the full range of other human emotions. And if so, what happens to children of those pairings, if there are any?

I believe that the penalty for such things would be re-education with the Ben-Hassrath. Not a pleasant experience.

Having the child not mate further would solve the problems without killing it.

[Risax]

Uhm... Do we see Par Vollen in DA2?

I mean the map of Thedas on the GI website highlighted various places do whe go there or...?

[Mary Kirby]

UbiquitousGrue wrote...

Just out of curiosity - how do the Qunari gender norms fit into that? Like, when they're breeding for soldiers, do they pick ladies with stronger builds? Is there some crossover between the farming and fighting strains, say?  Just wondering.

Yes, there's a good deal of crossover. The mothers of soldiers might be farmers, or smiths, or masons... or they might be Ben-Hassrath, if they're trying to add some more discipline to a bloodline. Or priests, if they think their officers need more organizational skill and attention to detail.

[TheMadCat]

Malanek999 wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

Shouldn't they be thinning out then since it seems rather likely they would be breeding with blood relatives or do our rules of genetics not fully apply?

If they pay such large attention to choosing optimal (genetics-wise) cross-overs, then it would only make sense for these who are in charge of picking the pairs and such to keep records of who is related to whom and avoid potentially harmful pairings.

Even if they pay no attention to it or were unaware of it they still wouldn't be dying out. Although inbreeding dramatically increases the chances of genetic defects, a genetic defect still isn't assured. Plus if there are tens of thousands potential breeding options, the chances of striking a close blood relative are very low. It sounds like organised breeding means they would reproduce very quickly, so no I doubt they would be dying out.

I am curious as to what happens to a Qunari child born with a serious defect. Are they put to death?

Well I'm assuimg they have gone this route for a long, long time and not just a few generations which would mean it's possibly a time bomb waiting to happen since there is a possibility that a large number of Qunari are sharing the same blood line. I mean just as a random example if a brother and sister are born under two parents deemed fir to have warriors, obviously there is a rather high chance the brother and sister could be paired since it would be deemed a correct match and no one is any wiser. Obviously if they're organized it's much less an issue, but I wasn't sure there due to the way Mary worded that particular post.

And I'm sure just as with pretty much every other war based culture any child not deemed healthy is killed.

[UbiquitousGrue]

Mary Kirby wrote...

UbiquitousGrue wrote...

Just out of curiosity - how do the Qunari gender norms fit into that? Like, when they're breeding for soldiers, do they pick ladies with stronger builds? Is there some crossover between the farming and fighting strains, say?  Just wondering.

Yes, there's a good deal of crossover. The mothers of soldiers might be farmers, or smiths, or masons... or they might be Ben-Hassrath, if they're trying to add some more discipline to a bloodline. Or priests, if they think their officers need more organizational skill and attention to detail.

Hm! Makes sense. Thanks for the reply.  

[Mary Kirby]

Do they fall in love at all? I expect there's "under the radar" relations going on sort of like in the Circle Tower, since they seem to have the full range of other human emotions. And if so, what happens to children of those pairings, if there are any?

Qunari don't generally associate mating with love. They feel love. They have friends. They form emotional bonds with one another. They just don't sleep with each other to express it. And if they do, they get re-educated by the Ben-Hassrath. So, y'know, not exactly encouragement there.

If such a thing occurred and produced a child, the same thing would happen to the offspring as happens to all other Qunari offspring: It would be raised by the Tamassrans, evaluated, and assigned a job. Qunari don't waste people unnecessarily.

Modifié par Mary Kirby, 03 août 2010 - 12:20 .

[captain.subtle]

Mary Kirby wrote...
 Qunari don't waste people unnecessarily.

(Shudders)

[Risax]

[quote]Mary Kirby wrote...

[quote]Herr Uhl wrote...

Do they fall in love at all? I expect there's "under the radar" relations going on sort of like in the Circle Tower, since they seem to have the full range of other human emotions. And if so, what happens to children of those pairings, if there are any?
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I believe that the penalty for such things would be re-education with the Ben-Hassrath. Not a pleasant experience.

Having the child not mate further would solve the problems without killing it.
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"Qunari don't generally associate mating with love. They feel love. They have friends. They form emotional bonds with one another. They just don't sleep with each other to express it. And if they do, they get re-educated by the Ben-Hassrath. So, y'know, not exactly encouragement there.

If such a thing occurred and produced a child, the same thing would happen to the offspring as happens to all other Qunari offspring: It would be raised by the Tamassrans, evaluated, and assigned a job. Qunari don't waste people unnecessarily."

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No wonder some Qunari become Tal'Vashot, on a diffrent note I think David Gaider said that Qunari that abandon the Qun remover their horns, why do they do that?

Modifié par Risax, 03 août 2010 - 12:21 .

[captain.subtle]

Risax wrote...

No wonder some Qunari become Tal'Vashot, on a diffrent note I think David Gaider said that Qunari that abandon the Qun remover their horns, why do they do that?

THIS.

[tmp7704]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Qunari don't waste people unnecessarily.

"Soylent Bronze is Qunari!"
"Yeah duh. Shut up and finish your vegetables."

[attend]

Maybe I am making incorrect assunptions but that would give the Tamassrans an incredible amount of influence. They choose the pairings, handle the upbring and education, and determine the roles of the next generation.



What happens if a large majority of the creche does not provide candidates for a much needed role. Would they be forced to accept a life/role they were not meant for? For example say healers.

What about the mages? Are they among those defeated or do the Qunari have their own?

[Herr Uhl]

attend wrote...

What about the mages? Are they among those defeated or do the Qunari have their own?

There are Qunari with magical aptitude, yes.

[Anarya]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Do they fall in love at all? I expect there's "under the radar" relations going on sort of like in the Circle Tower, since they seem to have the full range of other human emotions. And if so, what happens to children of those pairings, if there are any?

Qunari don't generally associate mating with love. They feel love. They have friends. They form emotional bonds with one another. They just don't sleep with each other to express it. And if they do, they get re-educated by the Ben-Hassrath. So, y'know, not exactly encouragement there.

If such a thing occurred and produced a child, the same thing would happen to the offspring as happens to all other Qunari offspring: It would be raised by the Tamassrans, evaluated, and assigned a job. Qunari don't waste people unnecessarily.

Sooo what you're saying is, we may have already romanced Sten and not even known it!

But seriously, interesting. All your answers in this thread are making Sten's dialogue lines suddenly make perfect sense. Especially his banter with Shale re:humans and his "I'm confused by you being a woman and also a warrior" bit.

Modifié par Anarya, 03 août 2010 - 12:29 .