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[joriandrake]

SDNcN wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Elitest much?

Well. . .

They believe CRPGs should emulate PnP.
Then Bioware creates their own system instead of adapting one from PnP.

They like unvoiced lines because they are ambigous enough to allow them to imagine different tones and intent. Then Bioware adds voice acting and icons signifying intent behind each line.

They don't mind if their character is blank and emotionless during cutscenes.
Then Bioware shoots for a more cinematic experience in their games.

They want multiple races and origins even though it barely impacts the core content.
Then Bioware implements a fixed background and race.

They prefer pause and play.
Then Bioware focuses on improving the real time aspect of combat.

Blaming the influence of EA or the unwashed masses is preferable to the alternative, you know, that these things may actually be an improvement.

It is not an improvement if one's heart hurts by reading each line on your list, gettting closer to a heart attack at the end

[Vicious]

I also remember when people were whining about various things in DA:O, and now apparently it was the last of the 'old breed.'



I'm glad Bioware is making things different rather than making DA:O 2.0 like so many seem to have wished for.



I'll leave this thread with: I called it immediately after DA:O was released. DA2 would not have Origins in the title, HAVE no origins, and it would favor a more concentric narrative vs. DA:O's approach,



and it would have a voice acted protagonist.



I told you guys and you wouldn't listen. *shakes head sadly*

[Riona45]

joriandrake wrote...

You have to admit Davasar's words also hold truth, lately many people never touch books because if it is not in the TV they simply lack imagination to get into the story or to even understand it. They don't even try to. Now we see more games also going through a similar morphing phase.

What do you mean?  Books haven't "morphed" into TV shows, as such...

I think whether or not people are touching books is kind of irrelevant.  After all, reading dialogue options in a video game doesn't give you the same kind of "deep reading" experience you get from poring through a book.

Modifié par Riona45, 03 août 2010 - 05:32 .

[joriandrake]

Vicious wrote...

I also remember when people were whining about various things in DA:O, and now apparently it was the last of the 'old breed.'

I'm glad Bioware is making things different rather than making DA:O 2.0 like so many seem to have wished for.

I'll leave this thread with: I called it immediately after DA:O was released. DA2 would not have Origins in the title, HAVE no origins, and it would favor a more concentric narrative vs. DA:O's approach,

and it would have a voice acted protagonist.

I told you guys and you wouldn't listen. *shakes head sadly*

We hoped it was just your usual trolling back then

[joriandrake]

Riona45 wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

You have to admit Davasar's words also hold truth, lately many people never touch books because if it is not in the TV they simply lack imagination to get into the story or to even understand it. They don't even try to. Now we see more games also going through a similar morphing phase.

What do you mean?  Books haven't "morphed" into TV shows, as such...

no, the people did

[Vicious]

What do you mean? Books haven't "morphed" into TV shows, as such...

Here it comes... *rolls eyes comically*

[Massadonious1]

If people weren't reading books there wouldn't be a market for the Kindle or other e-readers.

[Riona45]

joriandrake wrote...


no, the people did

I edited my post.  It might be true that people have changed (not going to comment because I have no stats on that), but it's not like picking dialogue options in a video game gives you the same experience as reading classic literature.

Modifié par Riona45, 03 août 2010 - 05:34 .

[Addai]

TheMadCat wrote...

What? Fallout 3 and Oblivion had full voice acting (Minus protaganist, but that's not the discussion here.)

Full voice acting minus the protagonist is a very big minus.

[Addai]

Vicious wrote...

I told you guys and you wouldn't listen. *shakes head sadly*

And your point, besides crowing about your own prescience, is what?

[joriandrake]

Riona45 wrote...

I think whether or not people are touching books is kind of irrelevant.  After all, reading dialogue options in a video game doesn't give you the same kind of "deep reading" experience you get from poring through a book.

Reading? No.

But many would say that hearing it spoken takes away from imagination/atmosphere just as seeing Lord of the RIngs instead ol reading the books. Especially if the lines are voiced/use a tone in a way the player would never want his/her character to do so.

[Vicious]

Full voice acting minus the protagonist is a very big minus.

ButButBut... my IMAGINATION gives him his voice!!!!



/sarcasm

[DespiertaLosNinos]

joriandrake wrote...

DespiertaLosNinos wrote...

joriandrake wrote...
English, do you speak it?

His post was pretty clear if you ask me and I happen to agree with hiim.  You can like or not like voice overs but to infer that people who like voice overs have "lazy minds" is pretty condescending

You have to admit Davasar's words also hold truth, lately many people never touch books because if it is not in the TV they simply lack imagination to get into the story or to even understand it. They don't even try to. Now we see more games also going through a similar morphing phase.

I'm not an authority on anybody else's literacy or imagination but my own unfortunately, so its hard for me to say.  I suppose I could pull my pants up to my chest run out on the front lawn and begin furiously shaking my fist at people younger than me while crying "Damn kids!  In my day we didn't have video games with fancy voice work but we got by just fine!"  Again though, I don't care what somebody else's preference is but Davasar's inference is silly.  I like voiceacting  ∴  my mind is lazy

[Massadonious1]

My imagination is ruined by picking options the developers want me to pick.



I should be able to ask Morrigan if she likes mudkips.

[Riona45]

joriandrake wrote...

But many would say that hearing it spoken takes away from imagination/atmosphere just as seeing Lord of the RIngs instead ol reading the books. Especially if the lines are voiced/use a tone in a way the player would never want his/her character to do so.

Yes, I'm aware of that--it's a preference.  That's fine.

[Addai]

Vicious wrote...

Full voice acting minus the protagonist is a very big minus.

ButButBut... my IMAGINATION gives him his voice!!!!

/sarcasm

Are you actually going to say something or just troll?

[Vicious]

Around here, preferences are fact. So best watch out...

Are you actually going to say something or just troll?

I am pro full voice acting. Leave imagination with what does it best. Pen and paper.

Like?

Modifié par Vicious, 03 août 2010 - 05:44 .

[Riona45]

Massadonious1 wrote...

I should be able to ask Morrigan if she likes mudkips.

Now you're tempting me...

*must...not...make jokes...*

[darth_lopez]

HeatClipNotFound wrote...



While I never really played Mass Effect for boss loot, I do miss the crazy amount of weapons in the first one and the armor choices.

Sure, the weapons were just upgrades of the same stuff, but it was funny seeing how high the Roman Numerals would go. I never did see the highest and I think I was a crazy high level. Miss the old weapon designs I do.

i weep for my old Spectre gear i weep.. though i do have to say they designed the predator pistol pretty nicely  gotta give it to them for that. and the sniper rifle in the Aegis pack also looks nice. that and armor is now more distinctive (though i miss the plentifulness of the old armor)

[joriandrake]

Addai67 wrote...

Vicious wrote...

Full voice acting minus the protagonist is a very big minus.

ButButBut... my IMAGINATION gives him his voice!!!!

/sarcasm

Are you actually going to say something or just troll?

He rather trolls :happy:

[joriandrake]

darth_lopez wrote...

HeatClipNotFound wrote...



While I never really played Mass Effect for boss loot, I do miss the crazy amount of weapons in the first one and the armor choices.

Sure, the weapons were just upgrades of the same stuff, but it was funny seeing how high the Roman Numerals would go. I never did see the highest and I think I was a crazy high level. Miss the old weapon designs I do.

i weep for my old Spectre gear i weep.. though i do have to say they designed the predator pistol pretty nicely  gotta give it to them for that. and the sniper rifle in the Aegis pack also looks nice. that and armor is now more distinctive (though i miss the plentifulness of the old armor)

or the ability to properly equip companions, right?

[Addai]

Vicious wrote...


I am pro full voice acting. Leave imagination with what does it best. Pen and paper.

Like?

At least you admit that that is what is considered too difficult to muster without voice acting.  Yes, it's refreshing.

[darth_lopez]

joriandrake wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

You have to admit Davasar's words also hold truth, lately many people never touch books because if it is not in the TV they simply lack imagination to get into the story or to even understand it. They don't even try to. Now we see more games also going through a similar morphing phase.

What do you mean?  Books haven't "morphed" into TV shows, as such...

no, the people did

Society is more amped now towards shiny people moving on a screen. Furthermore people do a lot more reading online now than they ever did before. People Come to read other peoples opinions free of story on the internet. it's not odd that the masses would overall prefer to watch easily accessible pre-recorded plays (TV Shows) in their living rooms over reading a book they could easily find a play of or a game to insert yourself into. 

Reading is now lack luster games and films are now the primary method of story telling while Reading is still the primary method of information gathering. it doesn't show a lack of imagination it shows a general lack of interest due to the reapeatitivity  that plagues sci-fi and fantasy the same reapeatitivity that has begun to permeate media soon people will shift to E-Books due to increased portability and the ease of finding them. 

furthermore if one isn't reading a Horror story, Sci-Fi, or Fantasy book you're ordinarily reading non-fiction and unless you're really into what's in that book you aren't gonna touch it. most horror stories are now lack luster as well. 
also we're seeing a rise in Co-Op games why read solitarily when you can insert you and a friend into a story and play through and have twice the fun? 

times change it's also funny to see shakespearian plays re-enacted in different ways (lion king for example was heavily based off hamlet)

Prefered media changes periodically this just happens to be the result of apprx 10 years of fast paced technological evolution you shouldn't be suprised people want the 'shinier' objects.

[darth_lopez]

joriandrake wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...

HeatClipNotFound wrote...



While I never really played Mass Effect for boss loot, I do miss the crazy amount of weapons in the first one and the armor choices.

Sure, the weapons were just upgrades of the same stuff, but it was funny seeing how high the Roman Numerals would go. I never did see the highest and I think I was a crazy high level. Miss the old weapon designs I do.

i weep for my old Spectre gear i weep.. though i do have to say they designed the predator pistol pretty nicely  gotta give it to them for that. and the sniper rifle in the Aegis pack also looks nice. that and armor is now more distinctive (though i miss the plentifulness of the old armor)

or the ability to properly equip companions, right?

well tbh it isn't all that big of a factor in ME 1 and it can be irritating i don't always want to spend 20-40 minutes refreshing my crews Equipment especially considering ME is not 'equipment essential' until you reach hard difficulty in wich case it becomes more important. But still often a good ME player can run through the game with out changing their armor more than 3 times and their teams twice. and  as far as weapons go you only need to equip maybe 2 other weapons later in the game for each team mate. somewhere around a lvl five weapon and the next at level 8 for efficiency but it's not needed beyond five.

what i miss the most is more tactical element to ammo sure it's still pretty tactical in a Rock Paper Scizors way but it lacks shield bypass wich could save your but and a few other helpful elements for example cryo rounds lowering oppenents accuracy, flash freeze on death or with heavy heavy heavy fire, and shield bypass.  now it's more like lower shields 1 cryo shot from predator 2 at most + Melee attack and insta kill. it's cool but sorta lame >.<

[KLUME777]

Haexpane wrote...


The Cutscenes in Leliana's Song are 10X better than Mass Effect 2.

Although i agree with what everything else Haexpane said, ME2 had better cutscenes than Leliana's Song, mostly because Leliana's Song was so SHORT!, and recycled. But DAO as a whole has better cutscenes than ME series.