the_one_54321 wrote...
Are you talking about Leliana? Because she doesn't talk with a french accent, faux, authentic, or otherwise. She speaks with a Orlesian accent. There is no France in DA.
the_one_54321 wrote...
I still don't understand the obsession with options. Options can also be limitations. It just depends on who you want to tell the story. I tend to trust professional authors to tell a story better than I can. I was most worried about the mechanics in this game, for which I received much official reassurances. So I'm still, personally, pretty hopeful about this. A fantastic story should be forthcoming.
And her VA sounds like an Orlesian. There is no France in DA. There is no french accent, even if here VA is doing a bad french accent while recording. The issue off accents, if there is one, is one that exists entirely within the players head. Let it go. It's fiction.Aradace wrote...
We're talking about her VA mate
the_one_54321 wrote...
And her VA sounds like an Orlesian. There is no France in DA. There is no french accent, even if here VA is doing a bad french accent while recording. The issue off accents, if there is one, is one that exists entirely within the players head. Let it go. It's fiction.Aradace wrote...
We're talking about her VA mate
As of now, I still do not see the claim that this has gone away. You can't create the character in the way that you used to. It remains to see what kind of choices you'll see in the entirety of the game.LdyShayna wrote...
The illusion that I am essentially co-writing the story of my character with BioWare was an essential illusion to why I so enjoyed their games - certainly more than any other type of game. Choice and ambiguity are essential to maintaing it for me.
Sure, maybe if you're talking about yourself. What I'm talking about is specifically the distinction between fiction and reality. Whether the VA can do an accurate french accent is of no importance. The fiction remains as it is. The accuracy of the accent is the topic of a completely pointless disagreement. It's meaningless.Aradace wrote...
That answers that question....Definately B.the_one_54321 wrote...
And her VA sounds like an Orlesian. There is no France in DA. There is no french accent, even if here VA is doing a bad french accent while recording. The issue off accents, if there is one, is one that exists entirely within the players head. Let it go. It's fiction.Aradace wrote...
We're talking about her VA mate
Aradace wrote...
TheMadCat wrote...
Aradace wrote...
If the way this lady sounds is her "natural" accent, then I suppose just about any "american" or other "non french citizen" can come up with a pretty convincing "French Accent" and be passed off as a native right? Because that's ultimately what I meant by "fake" She literally sounds like your average american woman using a feaux accent to play the character. In hindsight, perhaps "Feaux" should have been the word I used instead of "fake". Then again, I had not taken into consideration the "thin skins" people wear now days apparently.
Not so much thin skinned as it is a distaste of people proclaiming things which I know are false. As I said I have zero problem with you calling her performance crap, but don't like seeing people proclaiming something that is complete BS. Again, how can you conclude a French accent is fake simply because it's different then the minute few you've heard in your life. If you gaffed then so be it, that's the end of that.
Right, but you still never answered my question....And by not answering it you either A.) Dont have an acceptable answer.....or B.) Are silently admitting that just about any american or non french civillian can pass off as a convincible french person when they put on a feaux accent....Because as I stated, that's precisely what she sounds like.
In Exile wrote...
Defining something like a market is very hard, because we all have different tastes that might overlap with a game. I don't like this idea of essentialism.
TheMadCat wrote...
Aradace wrote...
TheMadCat wrote...
Aradace wrote...
If the way this lady sounds is her "natural" accent, then I suppose just about any "american" or other "non french citizen" can come up with a pretty convincing "French Accent" and be passed off as a native right? Because that's ultimately what I meant by "fake" She literally sounds like your average american woman using a feaux accent to play the character. In hindsight, perhaps "Feaux" should have been the word I used instead of "fake". Then again, I had not taken into consideration the "thin skins" people wear now days apparently.
Not so much thin skinned as it is a distaste of people proclaiming things which I know are false. As I said I have zero problem with you calling her performance crap, but don't like seeing people proclaiming something that is complete BS. Again, how can you conclude a French accent is fake simply because it's different then the minute few you've heard in your life. If you gaffed then so be it, that's the end of that.
Right, but you still never answered my question....And by not answering it you either A.) Dont have an acceptable answer.....or B.) Are silently admitting that just about any american or non french civillian can pass off as a convincible french person when they put on a feaux accent....Because as I stated, that's precisely what she sounds like.
I don't understand why the hell you asked the qeustion in the first place. She is French women speaking English, wouldn't that by default give her a French accent? If it sounds the same as an American woman speaking it then whatever, I heavn't exactly heard many American women trying to speak with a Euro French accent to really make any conclusion. All I know is you can't have a more authentic French accent then from a French women.
the_one_54321 wrote...
As of now, I still do not see the claim that this has gone away. You can't create the character in the way that you used to. It remains to see what kind of choices you'll see in the entirety of the game.
TheMadCat wrote...
Oh, and what gives you the vibe that "I'm angry"? Because I mean there really isn't anything for me to be angry about, so why would you think I'm angry? Is it because I used the word hell?
I'm curious about the lore and story development, just not sure I'll want to play the game they're making. I might just follow it as onlooker.the_one_54321 wrote...
I still don't understand the obsession with options. Options can also be limitations. It just depends on who you want to tell the story. I tend to trust professional authors to tell a story better than I can. I was most worried about the mechanics in this game, for which I received much official reassurances. So I'm still, personally, pretty hopeful about this. A fantastic story should be forthcoming.
LdyShayna wrote...
the_one_54321 wrote...
As of now, I still do not see the claim that this has gone away. You can't create the character in the way that you used to. It remains to see what kind of choices you'll see in the entirety of the game.
I'll make the claim then. Because of the way I approach dialog, the introduction of PC voice over (aside from the standard 'you've selected this character and given a command) ruins this illusion for me.
Others may assume that choices wil further be limited based on the expense of dialog. That may or may not be true. For me personally, this is not my basis.
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My husband is enthusiastic about a game coming out called Elemental. I have no idea if it fits your criteria, but just throwing it out.Wyndham711 wrote...
I hope if/when TOR is a success it gives BioWare enough financial freedom to start a sideproject with a small but passionate team, whose goal is to make a truly traditional classic CRPG without full VO or any need to be overly cinematic. Something isometric with mostly 2D graphics perhaps, with endless replay value, varied options, deep roleplaying and 200+ hour length.
joriandrake wrote...
LdyShayna wrote...
the_one_54321 wrote...
As of now, I still do not see the claim that this has gone away. You can't create the character in the way that you used to. It remains to see what kind of choices you'll see in the entirety of the game.
I'll make the claim then. Because of the way I approach dialog, the introduction of PC voice over (aside from the standard 'you've selected this character and given a command) ruins this illusion for me.
Others may assume that choices wil further be limited based on the expense of dialog. That may or may not be true. For me personally, this is not my basis.
stop right there
This reminded me of the dozen or more voice choices for attack/heal/movement/trap detection and such we always had in the Baldur's Gate Neverwinter, series and also in Dragon Age
Bioware knew how picky roleplayers are and cared enough to offer so many options just for random or nearly never heard voices which were rearely more than 1.2 word long comments, now they also cut back in these to a single female and a single male voice although those will really be heard the whole game long, I only realized it now that this is also another thing in which we are now more restricted, and it may very well ead to players not liking the single female/male voice and still be unable to change it, as they were in the other games
LdyShayna wrote...
Hmmm...where to start? *snip*
Aradace wrote...
Understandably, some gamers are going to disappointed by the voicing direction...While others, are going to give the game a chance and say screw the haters until we can form an opinion based on the actual game ourselves.
It's not BioWare you need to convince. It's the players.LdyShayna wrote...
*sigh* I would explain WHY more, but not only has this been hashed out endlessly already, in the past they have explained the benefits of no player voice over. they, the designers, already know what it offers to players like me. They have actively decided to move their entire stable in a different direction despite that, so I find it unlikely that any argument about the differign approaches will make any difference whasoever. I'm not happy, but them's the breaks.
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LdyShayna wrote...
Aradace wrote...
Understandably, some gamers are going to disappointed by the voicing direction...While others, are going to give the game a chance and say screw the haters until we can form an opinion based on the actual game ourselves.
Haters? Heh. That seems a very simplified approach to people voicing their concerns, likes, and dislikes. Do you use the term 'haters' for anyone who is not enthusiastic, or is there a certain level of dislike that one must have to qualify as a hater?
Aradace wrote...
Uh huh....*points to his signature*...Get over it
Much appreciated.
LdyShayna wrote...
Aradace wrote...
Uh huh....*points to his signature*...Get over it
Ah! So a 'hater' is anyone who disagrees with any decisions. Got it. Thanks for the clarification.
LdyShayna wrote...
Aradace wrote...
Uh huh....*points to his signature*...Get over it
Ah! So a 'hater' is anyone who disagrees with any decisions. Got it. Thanks for the clarification.
Aradace wrote...
Np, glad I could clarify
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