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[captain.subtle]

Why the heck does he NOT use magic?

Is it because he has gone crazy AND dumb?

Or is he(err..she)  just a high-dragon?????

[Anarya]

He. And we don't really know. I guess he could be just a high dragon. Personally I think it would have been extremely hard to kill if he'd been using magic and therefore he uses none for gameplay reasons. Just imagine the size of his Cone of Cold. Frightening!

[captain.subtle]

Anarya wrote...

He. And we don't really know. I guess he could be just a high dragon. Personally I think it would have been extremely hard to kill if he'd been using magic and therefore he uses none for gameplay reasons. Just imagine the size of his Cone of Cold. Frightening!

hmm.. Justa correction! High-dragon is She.

[Danjaru]

The old gods don't have to be magical beings, a really strong being from the Fade might as well be considered a god in old times during to dragon age lore. From what we know (correct me if I'm wrong) old gods are just powerful beings worshipped by the Tevinter imperium and other mages thousands of years ago or so.

Modifié par Danjaru, 01 août 2010 - 02:17 .

[highcastle]

captain.subtle wrote...

Anarya wrote...

He. And we don't really know. I guess he could be just a high dragon. Personally I think it would have been extremely hard to kill if he'd been using magic and therefore he uses none for gameplay reasons. Just imagine the size of his Cone of Cold. Frightening!

hmm.. Justa correction! High-dragon is She.

High dragons are female, but the archdemon is not a high dragon. He's an old god, a being that looks like a high dragon. Urthemiel, god of beauty, led the fifth Blight.

[AlexXIV]

Danjaru wrote...

The old gods don't have to be magical beings, a really strong being from the Fade might as well be considered a god in old times during to dragon age lore. From what we know (correct me if I'm wrong) old gods are just powerful beings worshipped by the Tevinter imperium and other mages thousands of years ago or so.

Well in ancient egypt their god-kings were worshipped for being living gods as well, so even humans can be worshipped as gods. As long as people believe them to be gods.

[AlexXIV]

highcastle wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

Anarya wrote...

He. And we don't really know. I guess he could be just a high dragon. Personally I think it would have been extremely hard to kill if he'd been using magic and therefore he uses none for gameplay reasons. Just imagine the size of his Cone of Cold. Frightening!

hmm.. Justa correction! High-dragon is She.

High dragons are female, but the archdemon is not a high dragon. He's an old god, a being that looks like a high dragon. Urthemiel, god of beauty, led the fifth Blight.

So was it male or female? I don't see why they all should be male for some reason.

[captain.subtle]

AlexXIV wrote...

Danjaru wrote...

The old gods don't have to be magical beings, a really strong being from the Fade might as well be considered a god in old times during to dragon age lore. From what we know (correct me if I'm wrong) old gods are just powerful beings worshipped by the Tevinter imperium and other mages thousands of years ago or so.

Well in ancient egypt their god-kings were worshipped for being living gods as well, so even humans can be worshipped as gods. As long as people believe them to be gods.

Why just Egypt. Almost all Monarchies are through Divine judgment hemi-deified.

[Behindyounow]

The codex says it is male, and its one of the codex entries that isn't quoted from a book.

[Khayness]

If you kill a god, what does it make the Warden by right of blood?

[captain.subtle]

Khayness wrote...

If you kill a god, what does it make the Warden by right of blood?

A Dork.

[AlexXIV]

Khayness wrote...

If you kill a god, what does it make the Warden by right of blood?

A god killer.

[Anarya]

Khayness wrote...

If you kill a god, what does it make the Warden by right of blood?

Well you didn't kill a god, you killed an archdemon. Unless you did the DR, in which case you still did not kill a god. So I'm gonna say it just makes you a Warden since that is your purpose and all :happy:

[Ulicus]

Behindyounow wrote...

The codex says it is male, and its one of the codex entries that isn't quoted from a book.

Additionally, Ruck refers to the Archdemon as "the Dark Master", and uses "he" and "his" several times in describing him.

It's quite possible that the relationship between the Old Gods and their nature/appearance as High Dragons works in a similiar fashion to the Witherfang/Lady of the Forest male/female thing.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the true "prison" of the Old Gods is actually their dragon form. Where the Maker is like a much, much more powerful version of Zathrian, and the werewolves are analogous to the darkspawn. Or something.

Modifié par Ulicus, 01 août 2010 - 03:16 .

[captain.subtle]

Ulicus wrote..

It's quite possible that the relationship between the Old Gods and their nature/appearance as High Dragons works in a similiar fashion to the Witherfang/Lady of the Forest male/female thing.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the true "prison" of the Old Gods is actually their dragon form. Where the Maker is like a much, much more powerful version of Zathrian, and the werewolves are analogous to the darkspawn. Or something.

That sir, doth lend credit to thy cranium 2010.

Not Just Dragons, Hibernating dragons....

A double Joke.

And after all there are Blighted were-wolves....

This would extend the storyline WITHOUT resorting to a new thingumajig and I will <3 it.

[pitchblaq]

Pretty sure it's just a dragon. People used to worship dragons, an ideology now relegated to dragon cults and the like. They were Old Gods insofar as they were worshiped as theistic symbols representing aspects of life, not necessarily granting that they were literal heavenly beings responsible for all of creation.



And, fortunately, in Dragon Age lore, 'god' is never granted as a tangible entity whose existence is made definite to the reader or gamer, and through that it's safe to assume that they wouldn't define an Old God as a literal elder deity capable of magic or whatever other talents such a creature would possess.

[Ulicus]

pitchblaq wrote...

Pretty sure it's just a dragon. People used to worship dragons, an ideology now relegated to dragon cults and the like.

Even if it's just a dragon, it's not "just" a dragon. From the darkspawn chronicles, we learn firsthand that it possesses intelligence enough to communicate complex instructions to its darkspawn followers. I'm not sure why Flemeth and Morrigan would want the soul of a "dumb" animal, either.

Modifié par Ulicus, 01 août 2010 - 11:50 .

[Kritanakom]

So this would make the Tevinter Imperium just one freaking-huge dragon cult? lol.

[Drizzt ORierdan]

As I understand it, the Old Gods were sort of minor deities who were punished and "imprisoned" by the Maker (sort of a reference to the Angels that followed Satan and lost their place in Eden as Christians may believe). When they are somewhat "freed" (not sure how that happens) or "awaken", they posses a (female) High Dragon and corrupt it. That is my understanding, but maybe Im wrong? Not an expert on the Lore...
And to respond the first question... they use magic. The different kinds of dragon-fire have magical powers, plus he summons darkspawn to his call, and uses darkspawn as antipersonal time-bombs in the last stage of the fight. Thats a nice trick I would say. Would also be fare to say that the Archdemon is not the most powerful boss of the game, but I think thats a conscient decison of the devs, for not punishing the player at that stage of the game. For me Flemeth is the most difficult boss, cause youre hampered -cant use Morrigan in that fight- companion-wise, and very restricted with space (while on the Mountain-top you have lots of space to run and disperse...).

Modifié par Drizzt ORierdan, 02 août 2010 - 05:44 .

[Blacklash93]

I wonder if becoming an Archdemon weakens an Old God, because as of now they seem like they would be complete pushovers. Given what we saw of Urthemiel in Origins, they're just High Dragons with fancier armor. To be honest I was expecting something more impressive.

[Arkynomicon]

Blacklash93 wrote...

I wonder if becoming an Archdemon weakens an Old God, because as of now they seem like they would be complete pushovers. Given what we saw of Urthemiel in Origins, they're just High Dragons with fancier armor. To be honest I was expecting something more impressive.

We will just have to see if Bioware will play out the dark ritual plot with Morrigan. The fact that it is immortal if not killed the proper way is pretty impressive in itself.

[Emperor Iaius I]

Blacklash93 wrote...

I wonder if becoming an Archdemon weakens an Old God, because as of now they seem like they would be complete pushovers. Given what we saw of Urthemiel in Origins, they're just High Dragons with fancier armor. To be honest I was expecting something more impressive.

Complete pushovers? Perhaps they are in gaming terms, but certainly not in the lore. A high dragon is a fearsome thing to one not trained to fight against her. If Riordan had not wounded Urthemiel, I have to wonder just how different the final battle would have been.

[Daerog]

I remember the Archdemon using magic in game, like those corrupted inferno things. No normal dragon can cast a purple inferno, unless she ate some food coloring and is in the middle of a windstorm. It is possible that the Archdemon/Old God goes somewhat crazy, as the Architect mentions that the Old Gods are a thing of perfection to the darkspawn, and by touching it the perfection is ruined forever. Or something like that.

The Archdemon did use magic, just not a bunch of different spells.

[Sable Rhapsody]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

I remember the Archdemon using magic in game, like those corrupted inferno things. No normal dragon can cast a purple inferno, unless she ate some food coloring and is in the middle of a windstorm. It is possible that the Archdemon/Old God goes somewhat crazy, as the Architect mentions that the Old Gods are a thing of perfection to the darkspawn, and by touching it the perfection is ruined forever. Or something like that.
The Archdemon did use magic, just not a bunch of different spells.

Agreed.  And I'm pretty sure that the Old God does go sort of crazy--honestly, can you see the Tevinter Imperium worshipping a monster like that as the god of beauty??