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[Davasar]

It doesn't matter. You can't play as one. The story takes place in human lands. The elves are not important to the story.



So the question of how they will look is moot.

[wwwwowwww]

I do hope they have their own weapon designs as well, only makes sense to have size appropriate weapons

[AntiChri5]

I hope they are less human.

[Ulicus]

Davasar wrote...

It doesn't matter. You can't play as one. The story takes place in human lands. The elves are not important to the story.

So the question of how they will look is moot.

Your conclusions do not follow.

[Tennyochan]

i think they should add model generators just for the elves. change the eye shapes and facial structure.

They seem like small things but when you try to say, in mass effect, make an Asian shepard you can't. because the eyes, eyelids, eye sockets, noses and lips are different sizes/shapes. (same issue when drawing portraits of people)



Perhaps also tweak the skin colour. make them seem more different to humans. like no matter how much their in the sun/forest they wont 'tan' as much because of their genes.

not white skin, it'll look like walking ghost if done wrong. perhaps a purple/teal undertone (where humans have usually warm/orange or pink undertones)...

[SirOccam]

Davasar wrote...

It doesn't matter. You can't play as one. The story takes place in human lands. The elves are not important to the story.

So the question of how they will look is moot.

Yeah, almost none of that is a logical conclusion.

You can't play as an Elf, but that doesn't mean you won't have one as a companion. In fact it's a pretty safe bet that there WILL be at least one elf that can join your party.

The "human lands" and "not important to the story" things are just wild guesses, and not even good ones at that.

[Irenie]

When I think of elves I think of them as quite ethereal in appearance. Like they had a light within them that has now been masked, they should have a look of melancholy. I think that because they were once so great and have now been sort of beaten down, this should come across...though I don't know quite how...



I agree with all that has been said about the eyes! People often say that 'eyes are the window of the soul' so they are a great place to add character. Making them a slightly different shape, changing the colour to something a little less human, the pupil size is another great idea!



I really like all your drawings! They have just the right balance in looking both beautiful and strange. Which is how the elves should be, alien looking yet familiar.



Plus the clothes they wear and hair are a good way of making them unique.

(I'd like to see them looking a bit wilder! )

[Sigma Tauri]

I'm quite content with elves being as generic as they ever were. Making them look alien doesn't mean making them feel alien. Bioware places too much emphasis on NPC empathy than a simultaneous sense of terror and awe that you get from someone with a completely alien mindset.

[Davasar]

SirOccam wrote...

Davasar wrote...

It doesn't matter. You can't play as one. The story takes place in human lands. The elves are not important to the story.

So the question of how they will look is moot.

Yeah, almost none of that is a logical conclusion.

You can't play as an Elf, but that doesn't mean you won't have one as a companion. In fact it's a pretty safe bet that there WILL be at least one elf that can join your party.

The "human lands" and "not important to the story" things are just wild guesses, and not even good ones at that.

The great thing about this is, they arent my conclusions but the conclusions of many other posters who would critisize people lamenting the lack of choice of other races, elves among them.

I was just paraphrasing the things they would say.

The question of:  "Why cant you be an elf?"

Would be answered with:

"Cause the story takes place in human lands."

or

"They are not part of Hawkes story"

So wait, are you saying they are important to the story?

The argument being lauded here is:  But as a non-human, you cant rule humans lands.

I get that.  And guess what?  You couldnt rule human lands with a dwarf or elf in DAO either....remember?

So, if thats the case, then it seems rather arbitrary not to include racial choice, doesnt it?

Why not include the race choice then, since the excuse of "cant rule human lands" is moot based off DAO which did just fine without ruling the human lands, but did have racial choice.

Modifié par Davasar, 02 août 2010 - 03:30 .

[wwwwowwww]

Davasar wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Davasar wrote...

It doesn't matter. You can't play as one. The story takes place in human lands. The elves are not important to the story.

So the question of how they will look is moot.

Yeah, almost none of that is a logical conclusion.

You can't play as an Elf, but that doesn't mean you won't have one as a companion. In fact it's a pretty safe bet that there WILL be at least one elf that can join your party.

The "human lands" and "not important to the story" things are just wild guesses, and not even good ones at that.

The great thing about this is, they arent my conclusions but the conclusions of many other posters who would critisize people lamenting the lack of choice of other races, elves among them.

I was just paraphrasing the things they would say.

The question of:  "Why cant you be an elf?"

Would be answered with:

"Cause the story takes place in human lands."

or

"They are not part of Hawkes story"

So wait, are you saying they are important to the story?

The argument being lauded here is:  But as a non-human, you cant rule humans lands.

I get that.  And guess what?  You couldnt rule human lands with a dwarf or elf in DAO either....remember?

So, if thats the case, then it seems rather arbitrary not to include racial choice, doesnt it?

Why not include the race choice then, since the excuse of "cant rule human lands" is moot based off DAO which did just fine without ruling the human lands, but did have racial choice.

I pulled out my Capt. Crunch decoder ring to get through this rambling.

Why they didn't inlclude a race choice has been gone over and over many times. Has nothing to do with "ruling human lands" it's really all quite simple. Hawke is a human refugee, and that's the story that they want to tell. Anything beyond that is individuals looking to make it easier for them to swallow.

Just because you can't play an elf doesn't make them unimportant. It simply means the main character of the story is not one.

[joriandrake]

I think Bethany is one of the causes why race option is not in, also while I think she will either die/get captured/posessed/becomes the villain there is also a chance that she will survive until the end of DA2 and become someone important in Dragon Age, if this is so then it is another cause why races are restricted, as she may reappear in DA3



Despite these thoughts I would still prefer to have racial options and Bioware should just make Bethany the same race/hair color of the choice of the player

[Addai]

ArjunaAle wrote...

 I know the redesign is going to be minor compared to the Qunari but I was just wondering what everyone's thoughts were on the matter.

I, personally, would like them to look a tiny bit less human. The elves looked far too much like humans in DA:O. However I would hate them to lose the humanoid factor. Just change small things that link the race together.

I'm hoping for something like this:



Art by me

No philtrum groove/dimple. Small pupils. Longer ears. Longer neck. 

It's not going to happen, but hey, girl can dream. 

This is a beautiful drawing, though I personally don't like the huge ears.  It seems to me like it wouldn't even be anatomically possible, unless the material is harder cartilage than a human ear.  I suppose that would fit more the "knife ear" moniker, but it would be hard to sleep on your side and stuff. 

[Harcken]

I just hope they aren't so skinny this time.

[joriandrake]

Harcken wrote...

I just hope they aren't so skinny this time.

reading this thread it is obvious that even those who want to see elves change have opposing ideas about the "ideal elf"

[Drasanil]

wwwwowwww wrote...
Hawke is a human refugee, and that's the story that they want to tell. Anything beyond that is individuals looking to make it easier for them to swallow.

What's defining about that is that Hawke is a refugee not that he is human. You could have easily had an elf or dwarf refugee. The lack of race option smacks of lazyness. Most Wardens are human, but they let you have an elf or dwarf one any ways.

I hope Bioware has a really good reason for Hawke being human only in story, but I'm not counting on it.

Just because you can't play an elf doesn't make them unimportant. It simply means the main character of the story is not one.

No, in it all likelyhood means that Bioware couldn't be arsed. Anything beyond that well we'll just need to see how the story plays out. I hope I'm wrong in this, but I can't really think of anything that would warrant it.

[joriandrake]

Their only real excuse could be if Kirkwall is full of non-human slaves or murders and the player can't do anything about it

[wwwwowwww]

Drasanil wrote...

wwwwowwww wrote...
Hawke is a human refugee, and that's the story that they want to tell. Anything beyond that is individuals looking to make it easier for them to swallow.

What's defining about that is that Hawke is a refugee not that he is human. You could have easily had an elf or dwarf refugee. The lack of race option smacks of lazyness. Most Wardens are human, but they let you have an elf or dwarf one any ways.

I hope Bioware has a really good reason for Hawke being human only in story, but I'm not counting on it.

Just because you can't play an elf doesn't make them unimportant. It simply means the main character of the story is not one.

No, in it all likelyhood means that Bioware couldn't be arsed. Anything beyond that well we'll just need to see how the story plays out. I hope I'm wrong in this, but I can't really think of anything that would warrant it.

Why is refugee the defining factor? Oh because you want it to be right? Sorry but he's human it doesn't matter if he was a refugee or not he'd still be human, sort of makes human the defining factor doesn't it? 

They don't need a really good reason other than the one they have given.

Couldn't be arsed? I'm not sure what you really mean, but I'm gonna go with bothered. Let me ask you this, why do you think they owe it to you to let you play other races? 

[joriandrake]

because DA2 is a sequel of a game in which it was possible

[ArjunaAle]

Gosh this is getting entertaining! 

Thought I'd do another picture. This one has a better idea of the face I'm talking about this time. Also height thing. If I don't stop soon I think I'm going to start doing DA fanart. D:

[wwwwowwww]

joriandrake wrote...

because DA2 is a sequel of a game in which it was possible

Is it a sequal? Or is it just a 2nd game taking place in the Dragon Age setting? 

[Remmirath]

My hope is really that they don't change very much. I liked them just fine the way they were.

I wouldn't have a problem with some slight, subtle changes either, such as minor changes to the ears or the way the eyes are. I don't think they really need it, though.

[Drasanil]

wwwwowwww wrote...

Why is refugee the defining factor? Oh because you want it to be right? Sorry but he's human it doesn't matter if he was a refugee or not he'd still be human, sort of makes human the defining factor doesn't it? 

Given that it's essentially a rags to riches story, I'd say being a poor would be a lot more important than being human

They don't need a really good reason other than the one they have given.

The precedent they established with DAO. They do need a good reason or else they'll end up pissing off their fans. They can make whatever game they want, but as consumers we have every right to criticise the choices they make.

Couldn't be arsed? I'm not sure what you really mean, but I'm gonna go with bothered.

Really, you don't know what "couldn't be arsed" means? Given that you seemingly possess the ability to read and write I find that rather hard to believe.

Let me ask you this, why do you think they owe it to you to let you play other races? 

 
Well there is that bit of the podcast where Victor, I think it was him, explained that the executive producer didn’t want to lease any of the meaningful part of what made DAO so successful.
 
Now, maybe you haven’t quite noticed this but it seems to me that actually being able to choose your character was a pretty big draw.

[wwwwowwww]

Refugee doesn't = poor, just thought I'd point that out.



DA:2 isn't DA:O they've made this clear over and over again, so exactly what precedent did they establish for DA:2 considering it's a different game from DA:O

[Riona45]

Davasar wrote...


The great thing about this is, they arent my conclusions but the conclusions of many other posters who would critisize people lamenting the lack of choice of other races, elves among them.

That some other people share your conclusions doesn't make them any more correct.

[Riona45]

wwwwowwww wrote...

Refugee doesn't = poor, just thought I'd point that out. 

That's true, but in this case Hawke has been described in the marketing as a penniless refugee.