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[andar91]

Polyhymnia wrote...

Also just because it has a dialogue wheel doesn't make it ME. I am still not sure how I feel about Hawke being voiced but currently I have a wait-and-see attitude toward it. Also I sure that the dialogue wheel for DA2 will be better based on the one-word describers which seem more appropriate for roleplaying versus ME/ME2 statements which all tended to be similar.

The wheel still uses paraphrases.  In the only screenshot we've seen, Hawke's options are "I'm right beside you", "Then we fight!" and something else.  We get an icon that tells us the intent of the line.  Theirs a red fist with the "Then we fight." option.  I hope I addressed what you meant by "one-word describers".  We still get short sentences.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Well seeing as the posts are going in this thread I can predict what will happen next

[Polyhymnia]

Thanks Andar. Now I am a little disappointed that it is still phrases for the wheel and not necessarily the intent of what you would like to say. Thanks again for clarifying things for me.

[StreetlightEagle]

Do you know what, if they completely change combat and destroy everything that I loved about the action side of DA:O... I think I can live with it. It's the story and characters that really make Bioware games enjoyable for me and I do trust David and his team to deliver on that. The shooter element of Mass Effect 2 improved on its predecessor by tenfold but that game had very sloppy writing and a paper thin plot, so I played it once and haven't touched it since. Tactical combat I can sacrifice.

[andar91]

Polyhymnia wrote...

Thanks Andar. Now I am a little disappointed that it is still phrases for the wheel and not necessarily the intent of what you would like to say. Thanks again for clarifying things for me.

Well, we do get intent (at least I think that's what you mean).  The icon shows the emotional intent behind the words so you don't have to just go off of the paraphrase itself.  Apparently there was a problem in ME2 were you punched a reporter or something?  In this system the words would reveal an aggression or attack icon or something so you know.  I've also heard some examples of a neutral answer being a green leaf and a friendly response having an olive branch.  So in a way, we are getting more than just the paraphrase.

[Brockololly]

Like it or not, by going with the voiced PC, "cinematic" narrative and dialogue wheel, the comparisons between DA2 and ME2 are going to be inevitable, here on the forums and in any previews and reviews you read or see.

Its up to BioWare now to prove that DA2 is its own game and not simply Dragon Effect 2, as the initial marketing buzzwords and hype all evoke the same hyped up buzzwords that ME2 used, some even exactly the same.

What I like about Origins was that it was obvious with the silent PC and PC roots that it was a different kind of RPG than ME. I'm sure DA2 won't simply be an ME clone, but the characterization of the changes being made all compare it to the "streamlining" of ME2. Whether thats a good thing or not is up for everyone to decide, I guess....

Modifié par Brockololly, 01 août 2010 - 10:11 .

[Polyhymnia]

Hopefully all of the responses in the dialogue wheel are quite different. I do like the icon associated with each response so that one doesn't mistakenly pick an aggressive response or attack response when they mean to do something else. Thanks again for your reply.

[Apollo Starflare]

That's funny, I read a preview on Gamespot earlier today that said the combat was very similar to DAO, just smoother. The preview there pointed out that playing as a Warrior felt faster/more fluid, but playing as a mage was just as tactical as before. They also pointed out even the journos have only played small gameplay segments so far, I really think we should give it some time before we all cry 'Mass Effect with bows and arrows!!11!".

[Morroian]

Its pretty obvious the comments on the combat are based on seeing the console version.

[Yalision]

I can see the likely hood of that being true for console, but they've already said before the PC combat will remain largely the same.

[SDNcN]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

That's funny, I read a preview on Gamespot earlier today that said the combat was very similar to DAO, just smoother. The preview there pointed out that playing as a Warrior felt faster/more fluid, but playing as a mage was just as tactical as before. They also pointed out even the journos have only played small gameplay segments so far, I really think we should give it some time before we all cry 'Mass Effect with bows and arrows!!11!".

I'm just waiting for Bioware to expand on the changes to spells and skills. The Dragon Effect crowd is going to be hilarious.

Modifié par SDNcN, 02 août 2010 - 02:12 .

[Relshar]

I played ME2 and I wasn't impressed. If they are doing the same for DA2 then there is no way it will be as great as DA:O. For me ME1 was far better than ME2. Thermal clips indeed. Also the villain in ME1 was far better, as was the story telling.

Overall I would play ME1 over ME2 if given the choice.

But my question is. Why show a PC mag the console version ?

The only reason I can see is that they intend to dumb down DA so it plays like ME2.

[Blessed Silence]

javierabegazo wrote...

Oh come on really? Seeing as how 6 other media groups AND the gamers at ComicCon didn't say the same thing, it sounds like the author of that article is just raging over the Dialogue Wheel

One should always be careful on taking media based opinions for granted.  Have to remember it is one person who could have a bias against something.

I am leaving alot of my opinions at the door until I personally see gameplay and the like.

[Lintanis]

 Think Bioware are only showing the game running on the Consoles( Xbox) so far, because the game is only really changing on the consoles the PC is staying the same just with the new features voice and wheel 

[Rubbish Hero]

The pc will basically get the Crysis 2 treatment of pretending it doesn't exist on the pc for the sake of more console sales. When it comes to most major game reviews, the xbox360 copy will be the one sent out, not the pc.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 02 août 2010 - 04:56 .

[bzombo]

Kalfear wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

Oh come on really? Seeing as how 6 other media groups AND the gamers at ComicCon didn't say the same thing, it sounds like the author of that article is just raging over the Dialogue Wheel

ummmmm, every single reveiw to date has commented on the combat and mentioned Mass Effect 2 in comparrison.

So no idea where you getting this 6 other media groups disagreeing from.

Seems like a pretty consistant comment from everyone thats tried the game thus far.

EVERY reveiw has created a picture that this game plays alot more like ME2 then DA:O did.

So either Bioware lieing again when they say the combat hasnt changed or the reveiwers commenting (with out actually saying it) that the focus of DA2 has moved from story focus to combat focus and the game feels dumbed down in regards to DA:O RPG feeling!

Ill wait for more reveiws but seems EVERY REVEIW you come on the boards dismissing or spinning whats said.

When do you admit what their saying is true and THEY ALL SAYING THE SAME THING?

We get it Javier, you like action over RPG, that was obvious with your defence of shooters long before you became a mod. Your the NEW Bioware customer. Not all the originals however have left and they still want RPGs and Biowares over all rep is still made on RPGs. That might change with anouther release of a crappy ME2 product but for now you cant simply dismiss EVERY REVEIW when they all say the same thing!

i believe those reviews were for the console versions. the pc version has not really been discussed. bioware claims combat will be more tactical on the pc. what's unclear is if this new review is based on the pc or console version.

[Bryy_Miller]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

The pc will basically get the Crysis 2 treatment of pretending it doesn't exist on the pc for the sake of more console sales. When it comes to most major game reviews, the xbox360 copy will be the one sent out, not the pc.

How dare our game come out on another system!

[Lintanis]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

The pc will basically get the Crysis 2 treatment of pretending it doesn't exist on the pc for the sake of more console sales. When it comes to most major game reviews, the xbox360 copy will be the one sent out, not the pc.

How dare our game come out on another system!

Systems, its coming out on the PS3 as well , all games should be on all Three systems 

[iTomes]

Lintanis wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

The pc will basically get the Crysis 2 treatment of pretending it doesn't exist on the pc for the sake of more console sales. When it comes to most major game reviews, the xbox360 copy will be the one sent out, not the pc.

How dare our game come out on another system!

Systems, its coming out on the PS3 as well , all games should be on all Three systems 

have fun playing starcraft on a controller

[Rubbish Hero]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

The pc will basically get the Crysis 2 treatment of pretending it doesn't exist on the pc for the sake of more console sales. When it comes to most major game reviews, the xbox360 copy will be the one sent out, not the pc.

How dare our game come out on another system!

It's not really that, if it gets ported, no problem. The problem  is, it's being designed with them in mind, not a port, with the  marketing going to them, not the pc. This implies not a spiritual successor to Baldurs Gate or back to their roots but in fact, Mass Effect, with abit of a magic.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 02 août 2010 - 07:34 .

[Bryy_Miller]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

The pc will basically get the Crysis 2 treatment of pretending it doesn't exist on the pc for the sake of more console sales. When it comes to most major game reviews, the xbox360 copy will be the one sent out, not the pc.

How dare our game come out on another system!

It's not really that, if it gets ported, no problem. The problem
is, it's being designed with them in mind, not a port, with the
marketing going to them, not the pc. This implies not a spiritual successor
to Baldurs Gate or back to their roots but in fact, Mass Effect, with
magic.

How is this not getting angry over it coming out on another system?

[Rubbish Hero]

Bryy_Miller wrote... How is this not getting angry over it coming out on another system?

Because there is a massive difference between a port and a game co-developed.
It's not "coming" it's "being made for".

[UndercoverDoctor]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote... How is this not getting angry over it coming out on another system?

Because there is a massive difference between a port and a game co-developed.
It's not "coming" it's "being made for".

How exactly is this bad?

[Lintanis]

iTomes wrote...

Lintanis wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

The pc will basically get the Crysis 2 treatment of pretending it doesn't exist on the pc for the sake of more console sales. When it comes to most major game reviews, the xbox360 copy will be the one sent out, not the pc.

How dare our game come out on another system!

Systems, its coming out on the PS3 as well , all games should be on all Three systems 

have fun playing starcraft on a controller

Maybe if you put two together 

[Relshar]

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote... How is this not getting angry over it coming out on another system?

Because there is a massive difference between a port and a game co-developed.
It's not "coming" it's "being made for".

How exactly is this bad?

Play Morrowind which was made for the PC first. Then came out for the XBox. Then play Oblivion and tell me which one was better on the PC.
Nearly everyone myself included would rather play Morrowind than Oblivion because Oblivion was made for the console market much like DA2 is.  Thats why it is bad.