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[Morroian]

Brockololly wrote...

I don't care for the whole "Oh, the Warden's story was just about ending the Blight- no more Wardens after that!" Its like saying A New Hope was just about Luke destroying the Death Star and his story is totally done after that. 

A more appropriate analogy would be Luke's story being done after the Empire was defeated, and it was.

[Shaorie]

Brockololly wrote...

I don't care for the whole "Oh, the Warden's story was just about ending the Blight- no more Wardens after that!" Its like saying A New Hope was just about Luke destroying the Death Star and his story is totally done after that. Or that after Baldur's Gate 1, "Well, you killed Sarevok, we can move on to something else now."

There are plenty of avenues they could take the Warden and I'm still holding out hope for one last expansion pack prior to DA2 to at least wrap up some loose ends and explore more of the Wardens. I mean, I'd love to have the Hero of Ferelden visit Weisshaupt and explain how they survived killing the Archdemon if they did the DR or have the Warden explain their actions in Amaranthine regarding the Architect. We haven't seen what the Anderfels Wardens are all about and there is plenty of story material with Morrigan and the OGB if the Warden did the DR.

I know DA2 won't be about the Warden, I just hope BioWare realizes that I play their games for the characters and when characters just get unceremoniously written off as having "vanished!" in a powerpoint slide, that just leaves a rather rotten taste in my mouth.

I agree. Just because our character is some great Hero, and yes it could/would go stale if they made them even more heroic or OP. But that is what I am saying - how about we do something that makes them LESS Heroic? Corrupted by the taint or something like that. We dont need to have another blight or Arch to have another expansion, but I agree with Brockololly that there are soe many avenues they can go down with the Wardens story, and that power-point ending certainlly wasnt enough to satisfy me that my Warden suddenly dissapeared but that her story wasnt over - when it 'so clearly' is.

[Shaorie]

Hmmm.....

Most people dont want and expansion with whole thing being about finding Morrigan. And I agree, that would be a bit dull. But a sub-story, that wont do any harm. There are really so many avenues they can go down, and I am not saying that they need to drop the whole DA2 thing and just stick to the Warden's story, but you have to admit - they left open a lot of loose ends.



For people whos character died, fair enough your story is obvisoully over. But I am assuming a mjaority of people preffered to live (especially when they heard about awakening) and carry on with their Warden.



Sorry BioWare - I dont accept a power-point telling me that my character vanished some years later

[WilliamShatner]

A hero's work is never done.



If some deep trouble was going on in Thedas who would people turn to to fix it? That's right the person who killed the archdemon, not some unproven peasant.

[Shaorie]

WilliamShatner wrote...

A hero's work is never done.

If some deep trouble was going on in Thedas who would people turn to to fix it? That's right the person who killed the archdemon, not some unproven peasant.

Amen

I dont expect them to do an expansion any time soon, but I agree with your point.

"Hi, I am some peasnt here to save the world!"

"Hi, I am the Grey Warden who saved all of your asses, killed the Archdeamon, and killed The Mother. Any questions?"

[DPB]

DA2 isn't about saving the world.

[Shaorie]

dbankier wrote...

DA2 isn't about saving the world.

DA:O

What did our Warden do?
Save the world.

DA:A
What did our Warden do?
Save the world.

DA2
What will this character do?
Most likely become a hero and save the world some how.

[DPB]

Shaorie wrote...

dbankier wrote...

DA2 isn't about saving the world.

DA:O

What did our Warden do?
Save the world.

DA:A
What did our Warden do?
Save the world.

DA2
What will this character do?
Most likely become a hero and save the world some how.

David Gaider wrote...

No exclusive organization. No saving the world. No ancient evil.

Link here.

[Pedrak]

I too would have liked at least another expansion (like Awakening, though, not some combat-focused DLC) with my Warden, but I sort of see why they are moving away from him. Have you seen the "The events that are necessarily canon" thread? Well, they are very few. In a way, Bio gave so much freedom to the players that it would be extremely difficult to give closure, or at least continuation, to everything. And if they don't and let you play as the Warden without your past decisions making any difference (ex. meeting your LI again)... then what's the point of playing with the Warden, intead of a new character?



The best I can hope is that the choices I made will be mentioned in DA2 and will have some consequences. Seeing a statue of my Warden somewhere. Hearing people telling tales about him in the taverns. Also, as I wrote in another thread, it would be nice to have in a future game (DA3?) a grown up Morrigan's son as an optional party member for the players who performed the ritual, while those who didn't will get someone else - that would solve the most notable plot thread left hanging without devoting a whole game to it.

[Shaorie]

dbankier wrote...

Shaorie wrote...

dbankier wrote...

DA2 isn't about saving the world.

DA:O

What did our Warden do?
Save the world.

DA:A
What did our Warden do?
Save the world.

DA2
What will this character do?
Most likely become a hero and save the world some how.

David Gaider wrote...

No exclusive organization. No saving the world. No ancient evil.

Link here.

Well, I am actually talking about a DIFFERENT expansion that can do for the Warden's story, not in DA2.
And, I think I specifically mentioned in my posts that I dont want it to be about my Warden being Hero.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

andar91 wrote...

I believe they're going to explore the Warden's story with further DLC. As far as DA2 is concerned, however, they're going in a different direction. I, for one, welcome the change and I honestly never expected the future installments to follow the Warden. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who expected what we're going to get (in terms of the new story with new characters).

This.

They have said several times they are still working on DAO DLCs. I'm fine with the Wardens story being continued in DAO rather than DA2.

[Shaorie]

Pedrak wrote...

I too would have liked at least another expansion (like Awakening, though, not some combat-focused DLC) with my Warden, but I sort of see why they are moving away from him. Have you seen the "The events that are necessarily canon" thread? Well, they are very few. In a way, Bio gave so much freedom to the players that it would be extremely difficult to give closure, or at least continuation, to everything. And if they don't and let you play as the Warden without your past decisions making any difference (ex. meeting your LI again)... then what's the point of playing with the Warden, intead of a new character?

The best I can hope is that the choices I made will be mentioned in DA2 and will have some consequences. Seeing a statue of my Warden somewhere. Hearing people telling tales about him in the taverns. Also, as I wrote in another thread, it would be nice to have in a future game (DA3?) a grown up Morrigan's son as an optional party member for the players who performed the ritual, while those who didn't will get someone else - that would solve the most notable plot thread left hanging without devoting a whole game to it.

Well, most people are saying that our warden will have died of the taint by the time DA2 is finished (stroyline wise). Well, the expansion could be about the Wardens last few months alive - will they be corrupted by the taint? Or will they die a hero? It would probably take time to do that and get a storyline out, but there are still a good few options they could do.

And like you said, Morrigan and her child. Well, my Warden swore to find her and I couldn't. An expansion revovling around finding morrigan would be a bit off but as a sub-quest maybe not.

Modifié par Shaorie, 02 août 2010 - 12:36 .

[Shaorie]

Shinian2 wrote...

andar91 wrote...

I believe they're going to explore the Warden's story with further DLC. As far as DA2 is concerned, however, they're going in a different direction. I, for one, welcome the change and I honestly never expected the future installments to follow the Warden. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who expected what we're going to get (in terms of the new story with new characters).

This.

They have said several times they are still working on DAO DLCs. I'm fine with the Wardens story being continued in DAO rather than DA2.

Where have they said that, I mean do you have a specific link? 
It would give me some reasurance ^.^

[Pedrak]

Shinian2 wrote...


They have said several times they are still working on DAO DLCs. I'm fine with the Wardens story being continued in DAO rather than DA2.

Agreed... as long as the DLCs will be meaningful. If they'll make me meet old friends, face consequences of what I did, make relevant choices... at least a bit. Otherwise, for combat-focused, story-light DLCs where Morrigan, Leliana, Alistair, the dark ritual etc. have no importance, I'd see no need to keep playing with my old Warden - I might as well create a new character.

Modifié par Pedrak, 02 août 2010 - 12:34 .

[Befit]

Personaly i never got attached to the world of thedas, guess there are too many fantasy genre worlds already. Just think of DA like final fantasy sequals that really have nothing to do with each other. Where DA differs from FF is that it's set in the same world and timline. but if u're like me and don't care about the world then u're excitment level will be pretty low

[Shaorie]

Pedrak wrote...

Shinian2 wrote...


They have said several times they are still working on DAO DLCs. I'm fine with the Wardens story being continued in DAO rather than DA2.

Agreed... as long as the DLCs will be meaningful. If they'll make me meet old friends, face consequences of what I did, make relevant choices... at least a bit. Otherwise, for combat-focused DLCs where Morrigan, Leliana, Alistair, the dark ritual etc. have no relevance, I'd see no need to keep playing with my old Warden - I might as well create a new character.

I agree. Just having a combate-based one would be a little... dissapointing to say the least. Meeting new characters? Facing consequences of you old actions? Sounds interesting to say the least. I dont want them to do a huge expansion, but a nice little closure with more than "Your Warden vanished, bye bye. Oh but just to keep you hanging we will say your story isn't over."

[Akka le Vil]

Shaorie wrote...
That is, unless you didn't do Morrigans ritiual

Fact is, many people actually chose the heroic exit, and all your complaint about "continuing the Warden's legend" fall flat, because for them (S)HE IS DEAD !

I'd really like to see people stopping asking for selective continuity, it's cluttering the forum and it's becoming quite irritating.

[The Hardest Thing In The World]

Why can't we move on to something else after defeating Sarevok?

[Nerevar-as]

If you choose US then you have a satisfying conclusion (if getting one´s soul destroyed can be called that), otherwise no more after Awakenings. I can´t help thinking they are just going to drop a bridge on any other Warden and move on with the voiced characters.

You are asking for selective continuity too AlV...

[Akka le Vil]

Nerevar-as wrote...

If you choose US then you have a satisfying conclusion (if getting one´s soul destroyed can be called that), otherwise no more after Awakenings. I can´t help thinking they are just going to drop a bridge on any other Warden and move on with the voiced characters.
You are asking for selective continuity too AlV...

No. Selective continuity is "I want continuity, but only after MY choices !". Asking for a new game/expansion based on the Warden is basically that.
Focusing on other parts of Thedas, with other characters, doesn't contradict the other endings. It simply doesn't talk about it, or talk about it in small enough amounts that you can actually treat them all - if someone brings you news of Ferelden, it's easy to have a line for each ending ; if you want to base a whole game on the same character than in DA:O... not so easy to take into account that he can either be dead, king/queen or Warden.

[Befit]

Akka le Vil wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

If you choose US then you have a satisfying conclusion (if getting one´s soul destroyed can be called that), otherwise no more after Awakenings. I can´t help thinking they are just going to drop a bridge on any other Warden and move on with the voiced characters.
You are asking for selective continuity too AlV...

No. Selective continuity is "I want continuity, but only after MY choices !". Asking for a new game/expansion based on the Warden is basically that.
Focusing on other parts of Thedas, with other characters, doesn't contradict the other endings. It simply doesn't talk about it, or talk about it in small enough amounts that you can actually treat them all - if someone brings you news of Ferelden, it's easy to have a line for each ending ; if you want to base a whole game on the same character than in DA:O... not so easy to take into account that he can either be dead, king/queen or Warden.

Didn't u just say the warden is dead? isn't that selective?

[dheer]

Akka le Vil wrote...
Fact is, many people actually chose the heroic exit, and all your complaint about "continuing the Warden's legend" fall flat, because for them (S)HE IS DEAD !

I'd really like to see people stopping asking for selective continuity, it's cluttering the forum and it's becoming quite irritating.

Fact is, many people actually chose to do the dark ritual and still felt like a hero. Your complaint about "Waaa, I killed myself" falls flat, because for them (S)HE IS ALIVE!

I'd like to see people stop trying to shout down someone who wants to continue playing the warden. It's becoming quite irritating.

[iTomes]

bringing back the warden will lead to canon and canon is bad. i finally want some kind of heroic grave for a PC, not always a "he/she/it lived happy ever after, raised kids and defeated hundreds and thousands of great ancient evils".... yep, thats so totally not sounding familiar....

[Chuvvy]

Because there will be another expansion.

[Nerevar-as]

From that definition you are already too late, AlV, since Awakenings. They didn´t put the choice of importing what the Warden had done and play that with the orlesian.

About the OP, there were 12 different possible characters from Origin and sex. With voiceovers for each one maybe it is not feasible. If Hawke keeps beign the main character for more than DA2 then I´ll find hard to believe that wasn´t the reason for the change.

I just think the Architect (if alive) plots, and Flemeth´s, which somehow involves at least one Old God, should be dealt with by the Warden. If DA2 really goes other ways, such as the hinted Quanarian invasion, then I´m OK with it.