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[Rubbish Hero]

JigPig wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote... Like them old guns the people in Empire: Total War fire that take 5 minutes to reload with the pooshy stick thing than rapid machine gun type shots?

baby's first troll

Please contribute something consecutive as opposed to derail attempts  with personal attacks regarding the threads motivation. If you could fire guns rapidly without a slow reload, the entire game  mechanics would probably need changed. Logically,these types of guns would work best. In fact, just get out and be thankful the thread creator was kind enough to explain his sound logic than one line narcissistic posts, it's very rude.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 02 août 2010 - 07:53 .

[JigPig]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

JigPig wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote... Like them old guns the people in Empire: Total War fire that take 5 minutes to reload with the pooshy stick thing than rapid machine gun type shots?

baby's first troll

Please contribute something consecutive as opposed to derail attempts with personal attacks regarding the threads motivation. If you could fire guns rapidly without a slow reload, the entire game  mechanics would probably need changed. Logically,these types of guns would work best. In fact, just get out, you are in fact, the troll.

*Whooooooosh*

Did ya hear that?
That's my point, flying over your head.
Can't you do something... constructive? Like, uh, troll /v/ with lord of the rings threads or something?
The words you are looking for are "muskets, rifled muskets, rifles, and cannons"

Modifié par JigPig, 02 août 2010 - 07:54 .

[Rubbish Hero]

JigPig wrote...*Whooooooosh*

Did ya hear that?
That's my point, flying over your head.
Can't you do something... constructive? Like, uh, troll /v/ with lord of the rings threads or something?

Please take the advice given and leave, or you shall be reported.

[JigPig]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

JigPig wrote...*Whooooooosh*

Did ya hear that?
That's my point, flying over your head.
Can't you do something... constructive? Like, uh, troll /v/ with lord of the rings threads or something?

Please take the advice given and leave, or you shall be reported.

Then the moderators would have to look at the droves of LOTR troll threads you've created, and you'd be inevitably banned for false-reporting and spam.

Good day, madam.

[Rubbish Hero]

JigPig wrote...Then the moderators would have to look at the droves of LOTR

Bioware themselves actually admitted to taking inspiration from Lord Of  The Rings from the first Dragon Age. Critically speaking, it is the high bar from which all fantasy related movies and video games will now  attempt to jump. Even though you haven't contributed anything other than off-topic negativity most likely derived from your own sense of  insecurity, thank you for at least, at long last, leaving. It was very  disrespectful, please don't do this again the future, anonymity is not an excuse for foul deeds.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 02 août 2010 - 08:04 .

[JigPig]

filaminstrel wrote...

I wouldn't mind gunpowder bombs. Maybe cannons. Personal-sized firearms, I'd rather not see.

I do think muskets, or crude firelocks or matchlocks would work well implemented in a bow role.
Perhaps like a 10-20 second reload time, but then again, that would be hard to implement, they wouldn't have much of a purpose unless they had high DPS.

Modifié par JigPig, 02 août 2010 - 08:05 .

[The Hardest Thing In The World]

Gunpowders arent such a bad idea as some have perceived it to be.

[Captain Crash]

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

Gunpowders arent such a bad idea as some have perceived it to be.

Yes it is.   As soon as the properties of gunpowder were discover within a few years the entire face of war and conflict changed.    Swords become a redundant technology.    why use a sword when you can use a canon?  why waste hundreds or thousands of men beseiging a fortress when you can destroy it with gunpowder in a few hours.

Gunpowder takes away the fantasy of a game

[Jigero]

TheMadCat wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Why do all of your posts start with "Lord of the Rings"?

Gunpowder already has a place--with the qunari. Only time will tell if they invade or not, and we see it in action.

Nothing wrong with noting Lord of the RIngs if it validates a point or compairson, which it has in every one of Rubbishes posts I've read on the subject.

Anyways, what do you mean already has the place with the Qunari? Why can't it be spread about to the other nations as well much as it did in real life. I mean hell I'd figure the Dwarfs would be working nonstop trying to create gunpowder to even out their inability to do magic.

Well maybe the materials needed for its production are only found in the lands cotrolled by the Qun and thats why the Dwarves havent got it.

Plus: I thought Qunari were isolated from the rest of the Thedas.

Actually i think you are right there if i remeber correctly the codex says the came fron another continent.

But how isolated can they be if they're constantly invading and warring with the Tevintars? Surely someone could eventually get their hands on it, I mean I'm surprised it hasn't already happened. And as for getting the needed materials, I mean if it's anything like the gunpowder in our universe it's not exactly all that complex to make nor are the materials anything less then common. Of course perhaps the Qunari have some super complex formula, who knows.

Making the gunpowder is the easy part, making a suitable vessal to weaponize it is another thing. Gunpowder was around for AGEs before anyone could figure out how to turn it into a viable weapon. Sure the Qunari have cannons but just how effective are they? early stages of cannons in our history where a novelty, combersome and wheren't all that better then just using a Treb, Catapult or a Balista and maybe half as reilable. The main problem was, no one really knew how to make a good cannon barrel, they iddn't understand the right combinations of metals to make a steerdy barrel, they just made, them packed them with twice the amount of gun powder they would be used for set them off and if they diddn't blow up, it was considered successful and sent out into the feild.

I'm sure alot of people know about Gunpowder and what it can do, in Thedas, but no one really see any real use for it yet.

[Captain Crash]

Very true, additionally to that Jigero they didnt understand the properties of gravity yet. They didnt understand that a cannonball flew in a giant arch. They often were fired high like a trib, meaning a direct hit was pure luck.

[zylas223]

I am all for gunpowder, in every form - cannons, muskets, explosives... IMHO gunpowder weaponry > bows and crossbows in terms of epicness. (Yeah, I think Empire is the best nation in warhammer)

[Khayness]

Captain Crash wrote...

Yes it is.   As soon as the properties of gunpowder were discover within a few years the entire face of war and conflict changed.    Swords become a redundant technology.    why use a sword when you can use a canon?  why waste hundreds or thousands of men beseiging a fortress when you can destroy it with gunpowder in a few hours.

Gunpowder takes away the fantasy of a game

More like a few centuries.

People still used sabres in the Napoleonic Wars and after that.

[TheMadCat]

Making the gunpowder is the easy part, making a suitable vessal to
weaponize it is another thing. Gunpowder was around for AGEs before
anyone could figure out how to turn it into a viable weapon. Sure the
Qunari have cannons but just how effective are they? early stages of
cannons in our history where a novelty, combersome and wheren't all that
better then just using a Treb, Catapult or a Balista and maybe half as
reilable. The main problem was, no one really knew how to make a good
cannon barrel, they iddn't understand the right combinations of metals
to make a steerdy barrel, they just made, them packed them with twice
the amount of gun powder they would be used for set them off and if they
diddn't blow up, it was considered successful and sent out into the
feild.

I'm sure alot of people know about Gunpowder and what it can do, in Thedas, but no one really see any real use for it yet.

I don't know, once countries got a hold of gunpowder it didn't take them long to put it to use. Obviously nothing really effective actually came along for centuries, but in the areas of striking terror into the enemy (Which I suppose mages already do) and for breaking down walls it had effectiveness quite early despite the fact the thoughts of rifling and aerodynamic projectiles were far off. It's huge potential was also seen and there was a lot of attention put into imporving it's uses. Let's also not forget the armies of those days were typically clustered tightly together by the thousands, you didn't need much else then something that could fire without blowing your own men up.

Like I said, I just found the notion that gunpowder already has a place with the Qunari so no reason it needs to spread a bit silly, if of course that's what Saibh was trying to imply.

[Grommash94]

TheMadCat wrote...

Making the gunpowder is the easy part, making a suitable vessal to
weaponize it is another thing. Gunpowder was around for AGEs before
anyone could figure out how to turn it into a viable weapon. Sure the
Qunari have cannons but just how effective are they? early stages of
cannons in our history where a novelty, combersome and wheren't all that
better then just using a Treb, Catapult or a Balista and maybe half as
reilable. The main problem was, no one really knew how to make a good
cannon barrel, they iddn't understand the right combinations of metals
to make a steerdy barrel, they just made, them packed them with twice
the amount of gun powder they would be used for set them off and if they
diddn't blow up, it was considered successful and sent out into the
feild.

I'm sure alot of people know about Gunpowder and what it can do, in Thedas, but no one really see any real use for it yet.

I don't know, once countries got a hold of gunpowder it didn't take them long to put it to use. Obviously nothing really effective actually came along for centuries, but in the areas of striking terror into the enemy (Which I suppose mages already do) and for breaking down walls it had effectiveness quite early despite the fact the thoughts of rifling and aerodynamic projectiles were far off. It's huge potential was also seen and there was a lot of attention put into imporving it's uses. Let's also not forget the armies of those days were typically clustered tightly together by the thousands, you didn't need much else then something that could fire without blowing your own men up.

Like I said, I just found the notion that gunpowder already has a place with the Qunari so no reason it needs to spread a bit silly, if of course that's what Saibh was trying to imply.

Well, the dwarves are trying to learn the secrets to it, I am sure. But for the rest of Thedas, I think magic might as well be technological prowess, just because there are very few limits as to what it can do.

[captain.subtle]

errrr.... Lyrium Sand?

[winter troll]

you dont really need cannons when you can hire bunch of mages to do it for you

[TheMadCat]

Wait wasn't this thread locked a second ago?

[SirGladiator]

I wouldnt mind seeing guns replacing bows, since I never really could get into bows. Or if not 'replacing' them, at least be like an alternative. For example, there are two kinds of bows right now, why not replace one of those with guns? Could be pretty cool!

[TheMadCat]

Celrath wrote...

Isabelle Mortello wrote...

Realistically speaking, how long Thedas has been around, they should have discovered gun powder by now. But maybe the materials don't exist.

Or maybe we aren't speaking realistically.

The theory of this is that magical universes progress much slower technologically because magic takes the place of technology 

Eh, I've got a few problems with this theory though for Thedas. First magic is supposedly uncommon which in itself means it's more difficult for it to aid the common man as technology does. Second is the fact mages are very restricted and closely watched, how much use can they be when most are held down. Last reason is the fact that magic isn't quite as broad as it is in many other fantasy worlds which would sort of limit it's negative effect on the development of technology.

[Seagloom]

TheMadCat wrote...

Wait wasn't this thread locked a second ago?

I decided to unlock it based on a private message to me. That said, let's keep this relavent to Dragon Age 2 and avoid any further bickering. The latter is directed at Rubbish Hero and JigPig specifically.

[Rubbish Hero]

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

grim_reaper_13 wrote...

And why does a FANTASY game have to reflect real events?

To give it a deeper meaning, making us think.
Like them big tree ents in Lord Of The Rings, fighting against the industrial machine Saruman created

www.youtube.com/watch

Well i saw just trees killing orcs so no deeper meaning for me.Also this is a game you know not a boring documentrary

Within literally 20 minutes of The Two Towers Saurman outright says "The old world will burn in the fires of industry". to montage of Orcs cutting down tree's and throwing them in a pit of  fire. The entire reason he is destroyed is due to the Ent's finding out  he has destroyed the forests around Isengard. How in the heck could  someone possibly miss that? Seriously.


Why would taking themes from real life be a documentrary? Or even boring? Dragon Age already does that, as does Mass Effect.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 03 août 2010 - 01:22 .

[The Illusive Paragon]

Rubbish, you should read Tolkiens version now that you've seen PJs(Both have their differences). It's never actually stated as gunpowder in the books(or any powder for that matter), even though it probably is. I think in the book it's just said to be an explosive device.

As for gunpowder in DA2. Early gunpowder weapons were inaccurate and dangerous. It's pretty unrealistic to expect a accurate gunpowder weapon at this point when they're still only primarily used as cannon(as far as we know). Yes, gunpowder weapons may be able to punch through armor, but it isn't accurate and if the powder gets wet it's useless. And in the Medieval time period this helped limit the use of artillery.

Modifié par The Illusive Paragon, 03 août 2010 - 01:33 .