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[OasisForever1991]

On my 3rd playthrough and I just finished Mordin's loyatly misson and on the way I just kinda got a little pissed off with him and what he said. Anyone else feel a little mad about the Genophage?

[Sigma Tauri]

No, it's a game.

[M1tt3ns]

The Krogan seem to

In reality it was one matter I was conflicted on. I told Mordin to hold onto the data, because I basically saw it like this; Without a good leader like Wrex to lead them along, as soon as the Krogan got an appreciable number, they would go after the Salarians, which would put them at odds with the council, and things would just end in another bloody war with them losing in the end. They deserve a cure for the Genophage, but only once their society has stabilized, otherwise Mordin is completely correct, the Genophage is just better for everyone.

[AntiChri5]

Mordin did it for the Krogan as much as the other species.

[NanQuan]

Anything that makes Wrex sad, makes me sad



I'm conflicted on the issue, in truth. But if I'm being perfectly honest I go with whatever Wrex wants. Sorry, Mordin.

[IrishSpectre257]

No, Mordin is right. It is a necessary evil, and its the Salarians fault. Although, I hope that Wrex's leadership will eventually make the Krogan race responsible enough to have the genophage removed.



The way I see it, if you killed Wrex, and keep the possible genophage cure, it isn't going to end well.

[JBean]

Not particularly, but I can sympathize with the Krogan. At the same time though...I can see Mordin's side, too. How the Krogan could have been very dangerous and unstoppable.

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

It adds to their character.

[xI extremist Ix]

I don't really care for krogans, so no it doesn't make me upset.

[Whatever42]

The Genophage is good for the Krogan. They are simply having a hard time adapting to it. But Wrex will drag them kicking and screaming into a new age.

[JBean]

monkeycamoran wrote...

No, it's a game.

btw i hate when ppl use this excuse.  movies and television can make ppl feel emotional, etc.  why would games be any diff. especially considering how fast they've evolved.  saying 'it's just a game' belittles games in general.  if gamers dont take it seriously as form of entertainment on the lvl of movies, etc, then honestly how can we expect anyone else (like Roger Ebert) to take it seriously?

[Bom_diggidy_Wrex]

YES! they went too far...if it weren't for wrex the krogan would be doomed and eventually extinct.

[Sigma Tauri]

JBean wrote...
btw i hate when ppl use this excuse.  movies and television can make ppl feel emotional, etc.  why would games be any diff. especially considering how fast they've evolved.  saying 'it's just a game' belittles games in general.  if gamers dont take it seriously as form of entertainment on the lvl of movies, etc, then honestly how can we expect anyone else (like Roger Ebert) to take it seriously?

It's an individual response when a movie or a memorable TV scene evokes emotion. I however do not feel the need to feel angry at NPC choices because I feel powerless even to chide them for their past actions. In fact, I don't feel anything at all to the genophage considering that the gravity people place on that issue is too much diluted by the epic shoot-em up nature of the entire ME series. There is no novel wisdom being given by Bioware, and you can find much deeper approaches to consequences of biological warfare outside of games.

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 03 août 2010 - 05:12 .

[Matroska]

I'd feel something if the krogan ever transcended "GARRR I BE ANGRY". I mean, the difference between killing the human race and killing the germs in your mouth when you clean your teeth in the morning is that the human race have culture not just basic compulsions, they have emotions not just a singular desire to survive. You are wiping out countless imaginations, countless points of view, countless possibilities. You kill some germs, you merely destroy a number of cells. That's what it feels like with krogans. It's like curing AIDS or something, not like wiping out a race of sentient beings.

Modifié par Teclo, 03 août 2010 - 05:24 .

[snfonseka]

no

[Sigma Tauri]

Teclo wrote...

I'd feel something if the krogan ever transcended "GARRR I BE ANGRY".

Ughh...Bioware has showed us a different side of the krogan. Their familial values are adorable.

[Ragnarok521]

Teclo wrote...

I'd feel something if the krogan ever transcended "GARRR I BE ANGRY".

There's actually quite a few instances where the krogan are shown in a different light. On Tuchanka, there's a krogan lamenting over the fact that he can't get to know his son and be a father to him since the son is at the female camp, or the one on Illium, who spends his time reciting poetry to get his asari girlfriend to go to Tuchanka with him. This reminds me of an elevator conversation with Wrex in ME1.

"Right. Because you humans have a wide range of cultures and attitudes, but all krogan think and act exactly alike."

Modifié par Ragnarok521, 03 août 2010 - 05:44 .

[Squiddytreat]

The salarians screwed up. The krogan advanced too quickly for their society to adapt because of them, so they beat them down with the genophage. It ticks me off about as much as the precursor to the genophage pissed off Mordin.

[SirVincealot]

Teclo wrote...
You kill some germs, you merely destroy a number of cells. That's what it feels like with krogans. It's like curing AIDS or something, not like wiping out a race of sentient beings.

How is a 99.9% sterility rate not genocide? (1 live birth for 1000 pregnancies if I remember the codex)

The dumb apes that we are here on Earth are starting to appreciate the necessity of genetic diversity; I can't imagine the space-faring Salarians have no concept of this.

//it's why the Noachian deluge story is scientifically untenable. (If myths needed to be so in order to be of cultural value; which they emphatically do not.)//

For that matter, how does the Genophage fit with ex-vitro fertilization? Why haven't the Krogans made a lucrative deal with the Quarians (admittedly the one race most interested in biological studies)?

All this stuff is merely more "science" mumbo jumbo from a space opera less imaginative in its depiction of truly alien species than the one order of mammals here on Earth (who are devided, in this one branch alone, into those that lay eggs, those that give birth to embryos, and those who birth babies.)

Might as well argue over the merit of quitting work so to "manifest" ourselves a million dollars using The Secret...

[Simpfan]

The genophage was an overreaction to a real threat.

[Matroska]

SirVincealot, my point was that while the genophage is surely technically genocide, I can't emotionally approach it as such given that the krogan are so poorly developed as a race. It feels like the same angry, monosyllabic turtle cloned a million times.

[SirVincealot]

Teclo wrote...
the krogan are so poorly developed as a race. It feels like the same angry, monosyllabic turtle cloned a million times.

Indeed. I get a strong feeling of  "dinosaur" when I think of them - I'm not sure the folks at Bioware thought much of them beyond that. Which is too bad considering what paleontology has to say about the mesozoic era. A little of that + some imaginary extrapolation about extra-terrestrial biology would have gone a long way.

It's best not to think about it too much, really. At least for me. Most of MASS EFFECT is so . . . pedestrian.

[Raizo]

I remember playing ME1 and hearing about the Genophage for the first time, needless to say I was I pissed and I sympathised with the Krogans.



Then I played ME2 and I heard Mordin's arguement for the Genophage. As of right now I agree with Mordin's point of view, I still think it was a bit excessive but there is defeintly an arguement for the creation and the release of the Genopage on the Krogan poulation.



I kind of like the Genophage issue, I like the fact that it's not a simple black or white ( good vs bad issue ). It's one of the many things that make the ME games soo great.