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[captain.subtle]

So do they believe in the Maker now after Andraste expertly kicked their hinds before being betrayed?

I heard that the Archon Hessarian converted to the chantry religion. But the later argument of the Imperial chantry was that Andraste was just a powerful mage who delivered them from Blood Magic... and NOT the spiritual bride of the Maker.

How do they view blood magic now?

If they view blood magic with hostility, was Adralla born before or AFTER Andraste?

Modifié par captain.subtle, 03 août 2010 - 12:59 .

[SDNcN]

Well it is more believable than the Maker falling in love with a mortal woman . . . who was already married. Apparently the Chant of Light approves of adultery or at least polyandry.

Modifié par SDNcN, 03 août 2010 - 12:36 .

[captain.subtle]

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So they do not believe in the Maker? But they do call themselves the Chantry, right? So they must chant something!

[Lord_Saulot]

The Imperial Chantry, IMO, is probably the true Chantry. The Orlesian heresy has become more widespread, but that is all. In Minrathous, the unadulterated, pure religion of Andraste is practiced under the watchful eyes of the Black Divine (who is also Grand Enchanter).

[captain.subtle]

I need some clarification from the Dev's then....

The precise questions are:

1) If the Imperial chantry does not believe in the divinity of Andraste, what exactly do they chant?

2) Do they believe in the Orlesian Chantry's Maker (reintroduced by Andraste) or some other equivalent creator deity?

3) What stance do they take regarding Blood Magic?

4) Was Adralla (of the Litany) born before or after Andraste?

Modifié par captain.subtle, 03 août 2010 - 03:33 .

[captain.subtle]

I don'tlike to bump dying thread, but these questions I believe are not worthless and Plot-breakers.

[Justinian II]

Yes.

[iTomes]

what propably is the reason why no dev answers :D:D:D

[Stormghost]

I think they believe in the same Maker, just not that Andraste was his wife. As for blood magic, I'm not sure, but they're more liberal towards magic in general than the Orlesian Chantry. Adralla supposedly spent her later life at the Circle, and I thought that wasn't built until a while after Andraste's death, so I think Adralla came later than Andraste.

[captain.subtle]

davidk1991 wrote...
Adralla supposedly spent her later life at the Circle, and I thought that wasn't built until a while after Andraste's death, so I think Adralla came later than Andraste.

I saw that too....

But she ran away from Blood Mages, who should not have been in power in Modern Imperium.

[Stormghost]

captain.subtle wrote...

davidk1991 wrote...
Adralla supposedly spent her later life at the Circle, and I thought that wasn't built until a while after Andraste's death, so I think Adralla came later than Andraste.

I saw that too....

But she ran away from Blood Mages, who should not have been in power in Modern Imperium.

I think Tevinter stayed under control of the mages for a while after Ferelden, Orlais etc converted.  I got this off the DAO wiki:-

"The Chantry spreads east into the Free Marches and Antiva and even north into the Tevinter Empire, though there it is largely resisted, as the Chantry stands in direct opposition to the power (albeit waning) of the sorcery-using nobility."

[captain.subtle]

And our sources are the same:

"Her efforts went unappreciated in her native Tevinter, however. After three different magisters attempted to have her killed, she fled the country, choosing to take refuge in the land of Blessed Andrate's birth. She spent the remainder of her days with the Circle in Ferelden."

I would like to differentiate Blood Magic from Chantry sponsored magic.

EDIT: Does the title of Magister still exist?

Modifié par captain.subtle, 03 août 2010 - 05:56 .

[Herr Uhl]

captain.subtle wrote...

1) If the Imperial chantry does not believe in the divinity of Andraste, what exactly do they chant?

They believe in Andraste, and they chant the dark chant.

2) Do they believe in the Orlesian Chantry's Maker (reintroduced by Andraste) or some other equivalent creator deity?

Same maker.

3) What stance do they take regarding Blood Magic?

Against I presume. They aren't against magic in general though, making them the only nation in Thedas to hold such beliefs except for Rivain.

4) Was Adralla (of the Litany) born before or after Andraste?

What significance does this hold?

[captain.subtle]

Herr Uhl wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

1) If the Imperial chantry does not believe in the divinity of Andraste, what exactly do they chant?

They believe in Andraste, and they chant the dark chant.

2) Do they believe in the Orlesian Chantry's Maker (reintroduced by Andraste) or some other equivalent creator deity?

Same maker.

3) What stance do they take regarding Blood Magic?

Against I presume. They aren't against magic in general though, making them the only nation in Thedas to hold such beliefs except for Rivain.

4) Was Adralla (of the Litany) born before or after Andraste?

What significance does this hold?

That is why prior research is a good thing.

http://dragonage.wik...tany_of_Adralla

"The Imperial Chantry is a denomination of the Chantry centered in the Tevinter Imperium. The Imperial Chantry does not recognize the Divine of the Chantry of Andraste in Orlais, but elects its own Imperial Divine—sometimes called the "Black Divine" by the Chantry of Andraste. While the Chantry of Andraste believes that Andraste was divine, and was taken up to stand beside the Maker when she died, the Imperial Chantry maintains she was just a mortal  woman. The Imperial Chantry allows male priests and has more tolerant  views of mages and magic.
"

Source

Modifié par captain.subtle, 03 août 2010 - 06:01 .

[Stormghost]

captain.subtle wrote...

And our sources are the same:

"Her efforts went unappreciated in her native Tevinter, however. After three different magisters attempted to have her killed, she fled the country, choosing to take refuge in the land of Blessed Andrate's birth. She spent the remainder of her days with the Circle in Ferelden."

I would like to differentiate Blood Magic from Chantry sponsored magic.

EDIT: Does the title of Magister still exist?

No, I think the Magisters were only about before the Chantry took over.  Or at least they were only in charge then.  Adralla was coming up with ways to combat blood magic, the Magisters didn't like that, so she ran off to Chantry-controlled Ferelden.

Makes sense to me.

[captain.subtle]

davidk1991 wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

And our sources are the same:

"Her efforts went unappreciated in her native Tevinter, however. After three different magisters attempted to have her killed, she fled the country, choosing to take refuge in the land of Blessed Andrate's birth. She spent the remainder of her days with the Circle in Ferelden."

I would like to differentiate Blood Magic from Chantry sponsored magic.

EDIT: Does the title of Magister still exist?

No, I think the Magisters were only about before the Chantry took over.  Or at least they were only in charge then.  Adralla was coming up with ways to combat blood magic, the Magisters didn't like that, so she ran off to Chantry-controlled Ferelden.

Makes sense to me.

So you mean that Adralla was between the time of the rise of the Chantry and the fall of Magisters. .right?

Then how was a circle tower already there in Ferelden? Circle tower I think originated with the chantry... but I am not sure...

[Herr Uhl]

If she is "deeply pious" I'd assume that the maker was back, considering that the text is written by historians from the age of the chantry. Otherwise there would be no circles where she could have gone either, and no Ferelden.

[Stormghost]

captain.subtle wrote...

So you mean that Adralla was between the time of the rise of the Chantry and the fall of Magisters. .right?

Then how was a circle tower already there in Ferelden? Circle tower I think originated with the chantry... but I am not sure...

Yeah, the Chantry had already rose to power in Ferelden and Orlais, but not yet in the Tevinter Imperium, as the Magisters weren't keen on its anti-magic teachings.

[captain.subtle]

Imperium was the first to convert to Andrastenism....

[Herr Uhl]

captain.subtle wrote...

Imperium was the first to convert to Andrastenism....

That is because all of Thedas was the Imperium at that point.

[Stormghost]

captain.subtle wrote...

Imperium was the first to convert to Andrastenism....

No, I don't think so.  See the quote I had above:-

"The Chantry spreads east into the Free Marches and Antiva and even north into the Tevinter Empire, though there it is largely resisted, as the Chantry stands in direct opposition to the power (albeit waning) of the sorcery-using nobility."

I think this means Tevinter is one of the last places to convert, although maybe I'm misunderstanding it.

EDIT: Also "It was an Orlesian emperor who made the Chantry into an organized religion. Before that, those who believed in Andraste's message were scattered throughout Thedas."

Modifié par davidk1991, 03 août 2010 - 06:14 .

[captain.subtle]

Andrastenism != chantry in earlier ages.

[winter troll]

creator , this is probably the worst name for god EVER

[captain.subtle]

Hmm..



I checked some tid-bits.. And I was mis-informed (euphemism for wrong)



Blood Magic did exist in tevinter in the Towers age when the Circle came into existence... But not after...



But I would like to know if it was prominent then.... or just surviving....

[AlexXIV]

captain.subtle wrote...

Hmm..

I checked some tid-bits.. And I was mis-informed (euphemism for wrong)

Blood Magic did exist in tevinter in the Towers age when the Circle came into existence... But not after...

But I would like to know if it was prominent then.... or just surviving....

I guess blood magic was never really popular with the common folks, who have been victim to it more often than beneficiary, so Andraste's preaching against it fell into open ears. Only the most powerful would hold to blood magic since it ensured their power. But after Andraste's victory over the Tevinters I guess the tides turned and the Magisters had to promise to not use it again.