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[TheMadCat]

Behindyounow wrote...

What? Pumping out a new, rehashed Call of Duty every year is a good thing? Wanting to charge to play online is a good thing? Wanting to "Take the fun out of making games" is a good thing? I don't think so.

Good to who? Not for you perhaps and certainly not for I, but obviously it's good for a ton of people because they keep buying into it, they keep pushing it along. You can't be killing gaming by having more people flocking to your products then any other product out there. Killing creativity perhaps, but actually killing gaming no sir they are simply adapting and expanding, much as BioWare here has been doing. This is simply the reality our hobby has realized since becoming a big business.

Blizzard is bad company IMO. A power hungry money sucking company. I
mean they are charging people 15 bucks a month, along with 15 bucks for
"server" transfer, 10 bucks for char recusom and vindictus is able to
provide better graphics and in game play with NO CHARGE free to play
game.

This all started with everquest which I played when it
first then Blizzard came around and made their own company. I mean
they're is playing a video game and they're is work. In blizzard you
have to grind killing random mobs for MONTHS or if you play alot of
video games. In a single month with least 6 hours a day.

How is
killing the same mob over and over just to get to level 80 to run
dungeons weekly over and over like playing dice don't know what drops
and what won't and no balance in the system combined with their foul
mouth persona about them. I think IMO makes them a bad game. Sure they
have millions of customers but HALF of them are outside the united
states.

However on a different note. I will be more then willing
to pay 15 bucks a month for Bioware Star Wars Knights of the Old
Republic because it's based off of "star wars" logo but it's not just
that. It's the graphics, it's the "moral choice" of you making a choice.
I read in a bioware interview how do they plan to keep people logging
into the game by adding new trinkets like Blizzard?

They said no.
It will be char progression. They won't update the game with shiny new
virtual tools to keep you interested. You will be interested deeply
already without the use of that.

Blizzard didn't start to become
king of mmos untill 2006 now in 2010 I perdict with all the MMOS that
came out. Aion, City of Heros, Champions online and upcoming DC
unvensise that Star Wars will be able to rival blizzard if not take half
their fan base

MMO'S are being more common and free to play and
once that will cost money will SWTOR MMO I believe will be will worth
it enough to leave blizzard in the dust

So Blizzard is a bad company because they employ monthly fees and microtransactions but BioWare/EA aren't even though they will employ a monthly fee and microtransactions? Doesn't that sound just a tad hypocritical?

[Fishy]

Joshd21 wrote...

Blizzard is bad company IMO. A power hungry money sucking company. I mean they are charging people 15 bucks a month, along with 15 bucks for "server" transfer, 10 bucks for char recusom and vindictus is able to provide better graphics and in game play with NO CHARGE free to play game.

This all started with everquest which I played when it first then Blizzard came around and made their own company. I mean they're is playing a video game and they're is work. In blizzard you have to grind killing random mobs for MONTHS or if you play alot of video games. In a single month with least 6 hours a day.

How is killing the same mob over and over just to get to level 80 to run dungeons weekly over and over like playing dice don't know what drops and what won't and no balance in the system combined with their foul mouth persona about them. I think IMO makes them a bad game. Sure they have millions of customers but HALF of them are outside the united states.

However on a different note. I will be more then willing to pay 15 bucks a month for Bioware Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic because it's based off of "star wars" logo but it's not just that. It's the graphics, it's the "moral choice" of you making a choice. I read in a bioware interview how do they plan to keep people logging into the game by adding new trinkets like Blizzard?

They said no. It will be char progression. They won't update the game with shiny new virtual tools to keep you interested. You will be interested deeply already without the use of that.

Blizzard didn't start to become king of mmos untill 2006 now in 2010 I perdict with all the MMOS that came out. Aion, City of Heros, Champions online and upcoming DC unvensise that Star Wars will be able to rival blizzard if not take half their fan base

MMO'S are being more common and free to play and once that will cost money will SWTOR MMO I believe will be will worth it enough to leave blizzard in the dust

So blizzard = a bad company?Normally a bad company go bankrupt

So they want money?just like any company . The gaming industry it's not a charity program.It's entertainment and entertainment cost money.

Yes they're charging 15 buck a month .. Just like it's cost bucks to have internet or have cable or telephone services.You're using their server/service and people are working for you.It's not a charity program .

The character transfer thing.You need to pay because everyone would abuse it if it's was free.They want to maintain a balance between server.Plus that require resource/support and money.Nothing's free.

Ultima online/Everquest/Dark age of camelot etc .. I had a lot of mmorpg experience before WoW .. Which i played  2 month .So from where you come?Most other mmorpg were much more hardcore than WoW .Grinding 6 hours?What about camping a spot for 1 week to kill a spawn?Or killing the same monster for 200 hours to ding?You have no clue of what you're talking about.

MMORPG need to have a long life expectancy to keep ppl interested.No one's forcing you to play 10 hours a day.Don't play mmorg and play MW2 for instant gratification if you don't like *grinding*

And what so fun about killing ppl over and over and over on the same map for day?(Like FPS)

The rest of your post it's just

[Mecha Tengu]

I think we can agree that EA is the lesser of the 2 evils in comparison to Activision

[TheMadCat]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

I think we can agree that EA is the lesser of the 2 evils in comparison to Activision

Define "evil" here.

[Mecha Tengu]

TheMadCat wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

I think we can agree that EA is the lesser of the 2 evils in comparison to Activision

"evil"

sufficient?

[Hel]

wolfwarp wrote...

4. Make a store, where after registering your game, be it retail or digital download key, you can download it as many times as you want. Has proven quite convenient for Diablo II, Warcraft III and WoW. Blizz's store is also cross-OS, if you buy a mac, you download the mac version, if then you buy a PC you have access to PC version and so on. (suggested by Lyssistr)

You can already download your game as many times as you want from the EA store after you've registered it.

[TheMadCat]

I don't know, I don't necessarily relate being an a**hole to being evil, otherwise there'd be a hell of a lot more evil in this world.

[Andat]

Isn't Ubisoft the definition of evil...?

[Behindyounow]

TheMadCat wrote...

I don't know, I don't necessarily relate being an a**hole to being evil, otherwise there'd be a hell of a lot more evil in this world.

Oh come on... Wanting to take the fun out of anything (in this case making games) sounds like something a saturday morning cartoon Villain would aim for.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Actually Activision will become more have more problems when Medal of Honour is released by EA and that their terrible practices make their head designers turn coats, such as them suing Infinity Ward and making the two head honchos turn coats.



Back on topic as to the patching I'm sorta on the fence as I don't see either policy as fit to serve the gaming community as a whole and I believe it has to be somewhere in the middle of what people on here have been arguing for or against.

[Marcus Aurelius]

exclude that "become"

Oops

[Lyssistr]

tmp7704 wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

Well, fact still is Blizz patches well even non-mmo games, even games that are nearly a decade old still receive patches.

Considering they still price these 10 year old games at 20-40 USD it's small wonder they still pay some attention to their cash cows.

20-40? why did I just buy Warcraft III+Frozen Throne for my brother, for ~4£ each new & sealed from amazon then? For the love of god, if you buy from the wrong place it's not like pricing is everywhere like that, their store is a bit expensive but you don't have to use it. Retail has all the benefits their store has+you get to own a retail copy.

[Bryy_Miller]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

I think we can agree that EA is the lesser of the 2 evils in comparison to Activision

"evil"

sufficient?

Kotick is far from evil.

Evil is an insanely strong word, and I hope none of you meet an evil person in your lives.

[Blumbum]

No pretty sure Kotick is an evil, greedy %^%#. This is why I torrent half my games. I don't want to support these people.

Modifié par Blumbum, 04 août 2010 - 06:42 .

[Behindyounow]

Blumbum wrote...

No pretty sure Kotick is an evil, greedy %^%#. This is why I torrent half my games. I don't want to support these people.

Agreed. If at least partially. I don't torrent games, but I certainly make sure any Activision games I buy are used.

[steelfire_dragon]

wolfwarp wrote...

I am an avid PC gamer, played quite a number of PC games in different genre. Dragon Age remains as one of the lousiest experience because of the recent patches, although it is indeed a good game. This is unfortunate.

I sincerely hope the following changes in the franchise.

1. Patch up the game fast. Rather than keep on releasing DLCs while taking 4 months to release yet another bad patch.

2. Auto push the patches to the PC game client.

3. Auto send the error reports generated after each crash to BioWare team for immediate investigation. It is not efficient to ask gamers to copy and paste and supply info manually via the PC support forum.

4. Make a store, where after registering your game, be it retail or digital download key, you can download it as many times as you want. Has proven quite convenient for Diablo II, Warcraft III and WoW. Blizz's store is also cross-OS, if you buy a mac, you download the mac version, if then you buy a PC you have access to PC version and so on. (suggested by Lyssistr)


The above are the standard features from Blizzard games like WoW and SC 2.

sadly, bioware, bethseda and obsdian games mind you tend to use complex engines which meand patching them is a pain.

I'd sooner take smaller patches more often than big ones.

blizzard games keep the engine simple enough that the game is still enjoyable.

life goes on

[Lyssistr]

Blumbum wrote...

No pretty sure Kotick is an evil, greedy %^%#. This is why I torrent half my games. I don't want to support these people.

If you torrent them, you want to play them/like them and you should be buying them tbh. When you boycott a product sold in the supermarket you support alternatives, you don't put it in your pocket and smile at the cashier.

 You may have a legit goal but your means are not exactly legit.

[Stalky24]

You know, there isnt really that much of a problem with blizzard, more like with activision

[taine]

Blumbum wrote...

No pretty sure Kotick is an evil, greedy %^%#. This is why I torrent half my games. I don't want to support these people.

No, you torrent half your games because you are either cheap or poor. 

I don't think Bioware has anything to learn from Blizzard. Blizzard makes fun, but fairly shallow hyper-kinetic games. Bioware makes fun, extremely deep games. They're quite different. Regarding the patching issue, the early SC2 patches have basically been hotfixes, not on the scale of a full patch. 

It *is* interesting that Blizzard can basically make a slightly prettier 1:1 copy of a decades old game and have it be the biggest seller of the year though. I'm not sure exactly what the lesson there is, but I don't feel like it is a good one.

[Sylvius the Mad]

wolfwarp wrote...

2. Auto push the patches to the PC game client.

This is a terrible idea that should never be done.

The players should be allowed to decide what game version they want to play.  For example, I have yet to patch past 1.02 in DAO because I strongly object to one of the changes in 1.03 (making lieutenants unshatterable).

It's my game.  Let me play it as I see fit.

[Bryy_Miller]

Blumbum wrote...

No pretty sure Kotick is an evil, greedy %^%#. This is why I torrent half my games. I don't want to support these people.

It's a sad, sad day when people throw around the word "evil" because of a guy's business practices.

[Lyssistr]

taine wrote...

I don't think Bioware has anything to learn from Blizzard. Blizzard makes fun, but fairly shallow hyper-kinetic games. Bioware makes fun, extremely deep games. They're quite different. Regarding the patching issue, the early SC2 patches have basically been hotfixes, not on the scale of a full patch. 

It's not about changing Bioware games, nor about Bioware start making Diablo clones. The OP asked for is services around the games, which is something different.

[Lyssistr]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

wolfwarp wrote...

2. Auto push the patches to the PC game client.

This is a terrible idea that should never be done.

The players should be allowed to decide what game version they want to play.  For example, I have yet to patch past 1.02 in DAO because I strongly object to one of the changes in 1.03 (making lieutenants unshatterable).

It's my game.  Let me play it as I see fit.

You almost always have to agree to an EULA to install a patch anyhow. If you want to keep the older version, just press I don't agree.

[Behindyounow]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Blumbum wrote...

No pretty sure Kotick is an evil, greedy %^%#. This is why I torrent half my games. I don't want to support these people.

It's a sad, sad day when people throw around the word "evil" because of a guy's business practices.

Evil is not a strong word. It hasn't been for a good few decades.

[Bryy_Miller]

Behindyounow wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Blumbum wrote...

No pretty sure Kotick is an evil, greedy %^%#. This is why I torrent half my games. I don't want to support these people.

It's a sad, sad day when people throw around the word "evil" because of a guy's business practices.

Evil is not a strong word. It hasn't been for a good few decades.

Evil's not a strong word because it has been dumbed down for decades, you are right.