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What I Hope BioWare Can Learn From Blizzard


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Bryy_Miller wrote...

It's a sad, sad day when people throw around the word "evil" because of a guy's business practices.


Btw the guy started as an Amiga programmer, I mean if gamers hate even ex-devs that make it to CEO positions, what type of CEO are they hoping for? mother teresa in a bow tie?

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It all comes back to gamers having no idea what devs do, and no idea what CEOs do, and this whole sense of entitlement.

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He is evil. He and a lot of others ruin games that mean a lot to people just to make a quick extra buck. "Durhur that's the buisness." No it's not, or at least that's not what it use to be.

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Blumbum wrote...

He is evil. He and a lot of others ruin games that mean a lot to people just to make a quick extra buck. "Durhur that's the buisness." No it's not, or at least that's not what it use to be.


He does what anyone would do in his shoes, he protects his investment. Maybe, if you didn't torrent half of your games, as you say you do, Blizzard would have enough funds and wouldn't need more capital (from Activision) during the meltdown.

 Getting the games for free and blaming an investor who, after all is taking the financial risk to make these games, is a bit of an oxymoron.

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You think Blizzard is lacking in money? ROFL

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Kotick says some things that make him seem like a jerk at times. I don't know him personally though so I can't really say. He does seem like a bit of a sociopath (the actual definition), but then again I think most CEOs and politicians these days are.

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You think Blizzard is lacking in money? ROFL


No they weren't lacking, they just merged because they didn't have anything better to do that day...

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Blumbum wrote...

You think Blizzard is lacking in money? ROFL


Do you think there's any reason for Disney to own ABC, ESPN, and Marvel?

I think Blizzard can go ahead and legally buy whatever it likes. Capitalism, yay!

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Blumbum wrote...

He is evil. He and a lot of others ruin games that mean a lot to people just to make a quick extra buck. "Durhur that's the buisness." No it's not, or at least that's not what it use to be.


Wait, so he's evil because he orders games to be rushed?

Let's review here: you're placing a term reserved for people like Joeseph Goebbels and Hitler... on to a guy that rushes games.....

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Blumbum wrote...

You think Blizzard is lacking in money? ROFL


No they weren't lacking, they just merged because they didn't have anything better to do that day...


They already were a huge company from Warcraft, Diablo, and Starcraft. That combined with World of Warcraft's 7 million + subscription base paying 15 dollars a month. They weren't lacking.

They are already starting to charge monthly fees for Starcraft 2 in some countries while in others it's free. Because that's fair. If it works? They'll probably carry it to every country, in which point I will cancel my Battle.net account and stop playing.

edit: actually it's 11.5 million subscription base worldwide

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Bryy_Miller wrote...

Blumbum wrote...

He is evil. He and a lot of others ruin games that mean a lot to people just to make a quick extra buck. "Durhur that's the buisness." No it's not, or at least that's not what it use to be.


Wait, so he's evil because he orders games to be rushed?

Let's review here: you're placing a term reserved for people like Joeseph Goebbels and Hitler... on to a guy that rushes games.....


Because someone has to perform genocide to be evil right? Nice logic there.

Also there were a lot worse people than Hitler.

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They already were a huge company from Warcraft, Diablo, and Starcraft. That combined with World of Warcraft's 7 million + subscription base paying 15 dollars a month. They weren't lacking.

They are already starting to charge monthly fees for Starcraft 2 in some countries while in others it's free. Because that's fair. If it works? They'll probably carry it to every country, in which point I will cancel my Battle.net account and stop playing.

edit: actually it's 11.5 million subscription base worldwide


 If they didn't need funds, they wouldn't talk with Activition. You may give as many simplistic theories as you like but when a company sells public or private equity, they do so to raise funds, not because they have nothing better to do that day.

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Blumbum wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Blumbum wrote...

He is evil. He and a lot of others ruin games that mean a lot to people just to make a quick extra buck. "Durhur that's the buisness." No it's not, or at least that's not what it use to be.


Wait, so he's evil because he orders games to be rushed?

Let's review here: you're placing a term reserved for people like Joeseph Goebbels and Hitler... on to a guy that rushes games.....


Because someone has to perform genocide to be evil right? Nice logic there.


Yes. Yes they do. Or put their grandmother in a home in order to collect her money. Things like that. Things that are truly atrocious. Things that there are no justification for. 

Explain to me why producing bad video games makes one evil.

Also there were a lot worse people than Hitler.


Like Joseph Goebbels, yes.

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Oh ****'s were so bad and evil ooooooh. Yes what they did was horrible, but they are significantly overplayed by the jews and there have been a lot worse. For instance right around that time period Stalin was in power and he killed A LOT more people than Hitler did.

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Blumbum wrote...

Oh ****'s were so bad and evil ooooooh. Yes what they did was horrible, but they are significantly overplayed by the jews and there have been a lot worse. For instance right around that time period Stalin was in power and he killed A LOT more people than Hitler did.


Explain to me why Bobby Kotick should be considered evil and not simply a money-grubbing businessman.

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Bryy_Miller wrote...

Blumbum wrote...

Oh ****'s were so bad and evil ooooooh. Yes what they did was horrible, but they are significantly overplayed by the jews and there have been a lot worse. For instance right around that time period Stalin was in power and he killed A LOT more people than Hitler did.


Explain to me why Bobby Kotick should be considered evil and not simply a money-grubbing businessman.


They're the same thing to me. They're different levels of evil. Recycling your pop can instead of throwing it away or litering it is a good thing to do. Doing CPR on someone and saving their life is a good thing to do. Are they signficantly different in how good? Yes, but they're both good. The same applies to evil, at least for me.

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Blum, shut up. What happened in the Holocaust isn't just about the number of dead, and I'd ask you to be a bit more respectful because there are people on these boards who lost loved ones, and had loved ones scarred coming through the Holocaust.



Last I checked though Blizzard or EA didn't play fast and loose with safety rules that damaged the ecosystem, got people killed, or screwed people out of their retirement while the execs got platinum parachutes.



You don't like a company's choices, fine, but that doesn't make them evil or even wrong.

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Blum, shut up. What happened in the Holocaust isn't just about the number of dead, and I'd ask you to be a bit more respectful because there are people on these boards who lost loved ones, and had loved ones scarred coming through the Holocaust.

Last I checked though Blizzard or EA didn't play fast and loose with safety rules that damaged the ecosystem, got people killed, or screwed people out of their retirement while the execs got platinum parachutes.

You don't like a company's choices, fine, but that doesn't make them evil or even wrong.


That's an opinion. Perhaps I don't think what Hitler did makes him evil or wrong? Perhaps I believe the Jewish population was the reason the allies won World War 1?

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That's an opinion. Perhaps I don't think what Hitler did makes him evil or wrong? Perhaps I believe the Jewish population was the reason the allies won World War 1?


ok, dude you're a pro-troll.

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On the subject of Bio learning from Blizz......well Blizzards support and QA team are IMO second to none.

While I wouldn't describe them as "second to none", don't fool yourself into thinking that their support for World of Warcraft didn't come at a cost: reallocating pretty much all resources to that one game. Development (this part of) Starcraft II didn't take over a decade, nor did Diablo III's. Without WoW, we would have easily had a Starcraft III and a Diablo IV by now.

I certainly wouldn't want BioWare to learn from that with The Old Republic on the way, not while the Mass Effect and Dragon Age series are not yet over.

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Oh ****'s were so bad and evil ooooooh. Yes what they did was horrible, but they are significantly overplayed by the jews and there have been a lot worse. For instance right around that time period Stalin was in power and he killed A LOT more people than Hitler did.


In the words of Annie from Community, try saying the whole word next time. And as one of 'The Jews" who is all uppity and complainin' because he had some ancestors in Europe in those days, I extend a hearty screw you. When you get into mass genocide, are the numbers really important? Also, why are people arguing about mass genocide on a gaming forum? There is no possible analogue between the two.

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"Duurr the media overplays the Holocaust and Hitler I guess I should treat like the biggest evi"

That's what happens when a group of 9 million doesn't stand up for themselves and rise against them. Instead of fighting Hitler's slander and providing proof that it wasn't their fault they let him gain power. Sure there would be casualties fighting back, but it seems to me slowly dying in camps and having 2/3 of your population die isn't exactly the best alternative.

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Ariella wrote...

Blum, shut up. What happened in the Holocaust isn't just about the number of dead, and I'd ask you to be a bit more respectful because there are people on these boards who lost loved ones, and had loved ones scarred coming through the Holocaust.

Last I checked though Blizzard or EA didn't play fast and loose with safety rules that damaged the ecosystem, got people killed, or screwed people out of their retirement while the execs got platinum parachutes.

You don't like a company's choices, fine, but that doesn't make them evil or even wrong.


That's an opinion. Perhaps I don't think what Hitler did makes him evil or wrong? Perhaps I believe the Jewish population was the reason the allies won World War 1?


Uh-oh. You played the Hitler Card.

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EDIT: Wow, you so won the argument that the forum has decided that BBC Code doesn't work.

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Yeah, have fun trolling ****. BTW, I've reported your posts for hate speech.

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  ok, after solving possible business malpractices by Activision, what is evil and whatnot, and what happened in WW II, which are all very relevant to what Bioware does and DA2 will have allot to do about all that jazz, I think it may be good to go back to OP's modest 4 points, which I find rather good and I'd like to see them implemented by Bioware.
 Any Bioware dev reading this, who wants to share some thoughts?