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[MerinTB]

The Harley Dude wrote...
I don't like the big freaky eyes and childlike appearance in JRPG characters. I like my HK-47 and Wrex.

Blame Walt Disney and his animation studio.

The Japanese were merely copying Snow White and such.

[joriandrake]

Adriano87 wrote...

JapaneseRPGs are just dumb!

No


atleast not in a bigger percentage as western ones are

[joriandrake]

Seagloom wrote...

I see the marketing department at Bethesda Softworks decided to poke a hornet's nest. This sort of ad is nothing new, but disappointing nonetheless. I'm not fond of the mock competition approach to advertising. It just comes across as juvenile. Personally, I prefer western made RPGs. However, my first RPG was Final Fantasy II (IV). JRPGs are what exposed me to this genre. Without them I wouldn't be here, and I would have missed a lot of great stories. Final Fantasy III (VI), Chrono Trigger, the Lunar games, Grandia, Septerra Core, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Breath of Fire and countless others...

JRPGs had a major impact on my gaming. Just as much as Baldur's Gate II, Jade Empire, Neverwinter Nights, Fallout, ect did. Perhaps even more. They are different from WRPGs, but different is not the same as lacking in value.

Septerra Core might be a JRPG but it was made by a small team of western peoples of Valkyrie, just thought I mention it

[Leinadi]

It's a good thing they are "mocking" it or drawing attention to it if you ask me. In my mind, there is simply no defense for RPG stories that offer no choice to the player. Even story-heavy RPGs should give power to the player in terms of affecting the storylines. Why? Because it's a game and it's supposed to be interactive, developers should strive towards that.

That said, I'm not exactly impressed with how most western devs handle this either. Perhaps New Vegas will deliver on it, it does seem they're pushing a lot for choice. Hopefully that will be the case.



I also think that there are things that jRPGs are much better at generally speaking. Their settings in particular are often waaaay more creative and colorful than the western counterparts. Even if they sometimes overstep rather a lot, it's better than how awfully bland many western RPG settings are.

[joriandrake]

Adriano87 wrote...

Lets pray for failure of Bethesda!
The point is How is the Gaming Taste of Japanese gamers, so that Bethesda would be successful there or not.

No, while I don't like Bethesda, FLV is made by Obsidian so I want it to succeed

also, praying for something to fail is just rude

[joriandrake]

Leinadi wrote...

It's a good thing they are "mocking" it or drawing attention to it if you ask me. In my mind, there is simply no defense for RPG stories that offer no choice to the player. Even story-heavy RPGs should give power to the player in terms of affecting the storylines. Why? Because it's a game and it's supposed to be interactive, developers should strive towards that.
That said, I'm not exactly impressed with how most western devs handle this either. Perhaps New Vegas will deliver on it, it does seem they're pushing a lot for choice. Hopefully that will be the case.

I also think that there are things that jRPGs are much better at generally speaking. Their settings in particular are often waaaay more creative and colorful than the western counterparts. Even if they sometimes overstep rather a lot, it's better than how awfully bland many western RPG settings are.

Japanese games have more emotion than most of the western ones, and many of them are not that linear neither, even visual novels can have dozens of different endings depending on some dialogue choices, and if you think about it, most western games decide the different endings also on just a few lines in the dialogue during the game, even Baldur's Gate and Dragon Age are not different in this aspect

Modifié par joriandrake, 04 août 2010 - 06:06 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

This whole thing is stupid and unnecessary. That idea should have never left the boardroom

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Sorry for going off topic but does anyone know if there will be a toolset released for the game like there was for Fallout 3?

[Leinadi]

Japanese games have more emotion than most of the western ones, and many of them are not that linear neither, even visual novels can have dozens of different endings depending on some dialogue choices,

While "emotion" is rather subjective (I think most games fail on this, mostly due to bad writing) you can still provide a tight video-game story without giving up the player's control. Ideally, the player and his choices should be what fuels the emotions in a story-heavy RPG.
And visual novels, sure. But they aren't jRPGs.

and if you think about it, most western games decide the different endings also on just a few lines in the dialogue during the game, even Baldur's Gate and Dragon Age are not different in this aspect

I won't argue that with you, I find most western RPGs sadly lacking in this as well. Definitely Bethesda's game (while they provide big worlds, the questlines are often quite static) which makes the ad a bit ironic. But hopefully the ad means that real choices will be present in New Vegas.

Sorry for going off topic but does anyone know if there will be a toolset released for the game like there was for Fallout 3?

I don't think anything's been said officially but it's been implied rather heavily that an updated GECK will be released with the improvements Obsidian has made to it.

Modifié par Leinadi, 04 août 2010 - 06:19 .

[joriandrake]

FNV is made by Obsidian, so it will be good

[Faust1979]

I like some JRPGs I like Xenosaga, Shadows Hearts 1 and 2, Final Fantasy 12

[Seagloom]

joriandrake wrote...

Septerra Core might be a JRPG but it was made by a small team of western peoples of Valkyrie, just thought I mention it

I'm aware of it. While the J in JRPG stands for Japanese, I take it more to describe a style of RPG rather than country of origin.

[Rasaf]

Disgaea 3 is good JRPG and Final Fantasy 13 isn´t that good it all depends on personal

likings.

[joriandrake]

Seagloom wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Septerra Core might be a JRPG but it was made by a small team of western peoples of Valkyrie, just thought I mention it

I'm aware of it. While the J in JRPG stands for Japanese, I take it more to describe a style of RPG rather than country of origin.

OK t hen, the people of V are good people, sad the rights to SC were bought by Suxxez and are rotting in their attic now, of course without Seraphim released Valkyrie only exists in name by now, I wish someone (Bioware or Obsidian) would grab Septerra Core

[Daerog]

Honestly, if they wanted to poke fun at jrpgs, they should just have a poster with two people on it. One is a young guy, maybe 17-22, leaning or sitting against a wall feeling sorry for himself and maybe crying over his larger-than-him sword. The other is a man/woman with sword in the air all heroic looking. Then have writing on the bottom: Who's the real hero? or Which hero would you prefer? or Who would you want the fate of the world depended on?



I like some jrpgs and some wrpgs. All fun and games, no? Although, I can't find any new jrpg that I would like.

[joriandrake]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Honestly, if they wanted to poke fun at jrpgs, they should just have a poster with two people on it. One is a young guy, maybe 17-22, leaning or sitting against a wall feeling sorry for himself and maybe crying over his larger-than-him sword. The other is a man/woman with sword in the air all heroic looking. Then have writing on the bottom: Who's the real hero? or Which hero would you prefer? or Who would you want the fate of the world depended on?

I like some jrpgs and some wrpgs. All fun and games, no? Although, I can't find any new jrpg that I would like.

try visual novels or older games, even among adventure games you can find good ones, like Shadow of Memories

[nimzar]

Oh, one thing worth mentioning...



Sonic Chronicles: Dark Brotherhood is in jRPG style... and it was made by BioWare... so yeah.

[Wolverfrog]

I enjoy Final Fantasy. And technically, Pokemon is a JRPG. And yet HeartGold/SoulSilver have sold 10 million units to date.



I don't think any of Bethesda's games can claim that.

[Loerwyn]

Wolverfrog wrote...

I don't think any of Bethesda's games can claim that.

Why would they?

Pokémon has a wider audience than Bethesda's games, especially the two most recent Fallout games (FO:NV & FO3), both of which are rated 18 in the UK (Well, FO:NV will be rated 18, I can guarantee it). Not to mention Bethesda games tend to be PC based (Yes, FO3, Oblivion and Morrowind saw console releases, but all 3 were vastly superior on PC) and that reduces the audience size even further.

As far as game comparisons go, comparing TES/FO to Pokémon is pretty bad. It's like comparing Modern Yawnfare 2 to Sausagefest of War.

[Wolverfrog]

Comparing JRPGs to RPGs is pretty bad, I would argue. They're both incredibly different.

[joriandrake]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Wolverfrog wrote...

I don't think any of Bethesda's games can claim that.

Why would they?

Pokémon has a wider audience than Bethesda's games, especially the two most recent Fallout games (FO:NV & FO3), both of which are rated 18 in the UK (Well, FO:NV will be rated 18, I can guarantee it). Not to mention Bethesda games tend to be PC based (Yes, FO3, Oblivion and Morrowind saw console releases, but all 3 were vastly superior on PC) and that reduces the audience size even further.

As far as game comparisons go, comparing TES/FO to Pokémon is pretty bad. It's like comparing Modern Yawnfare 2 to Sausagefest of War.

I can't decipher your "nicknames" any longer

[Loerwyn]

joriandrake wrote...

I can't decipher your "nicknames" any longer

Modern Borefare 2 - Call of Let's Charge a Premium for Absolutely No Reason: Modern Warfare 2.

Sausagefest of War - Gears of War.

[Wolverfrog]

Is comparing a First Person shooter to a Third Person shooter any different than comparing a Western RPG to a Japanese RPG?



I think not.

[nimzar]

Wolverfrog wrote...

Is comparing a First Person shooter to a Third Person shooter any different than comparing a Western RPG to a Japanese RPG?

I think not.

I would argue that that comparison is probably closer than the comparison between wRPGs and jRPGs. 

[addiction21]

nimzar wrote...

Wolverfrog wrote...

Is comparing a First Person shooter to a Third Person shooter any different than comparing a Western RPG to a Japanese RPG?

I think not.

I would argue that that comparison is probably closer than the comparison between wRPGs and jRPGs. 

But Shallow was not comparing moderwarfare 2 and gears of war. Shallow wa making a point. A point that Wolverfrog clearly missed.
You could make the arguement that MW2 and GoW2 are aimed at similar audiances on are provided on the same plateforms.
Pokemon and Bethesda games are not. Apples to Oranges and all that.