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[Maconbar]

Dave of Canada wrote...

UberDuber wrote...

Who cares? It would look like Morrigan, and he'd just be a human, no matter the race, makes it easy if Loghain or Alistair is the father too.

Can't be. Dwarf + Morrigan = Half-dwarf.

I thought that the offspring of dwarf + human looks like a somewhat shorter than average human.

[UberDuber]

Maconbar wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

UberDuber wrote...

Who cares? It would look like Morrigan, and he'd just be a human, no matter the race, makes it easy if Loghain or Alistair is the father too.

Can't be. Dwarf + Morrigan = Half-dwarf.

I thought that the offspring of dwarf + human looks like a somewhat shorter than average human.

Exactly, so he'd probably be a human. Plus Morrigan's the mother, more liekly it will end up like her. Easier for BioWare too, if the Godbaby is Alistair's or Loghain's.

Modifié par UberDuber, 31 octobre 2010 - 01:12 .

[Dave of Canada]

Maconbar wrote...

I thought that the offspring of dwarf + human looks like a somewhat shorter than average human.

I'm pretty sure there's more than that, or else they'd just say "human" or "dwarf" if there's nothing any different.

[Szorrak]

Not to hurt anyones feelings. But there are certain things that are just part of the canon, liked or not. The good thing about the game is that you can choose to take a different route if you like, but the story line does have a set direction. One example is Alistair being on the throne. That is obviously what the developers had in mine for the canon. However, you can choose not to go that route if you like. The God baby is most definitely part of the canon and can be verified by playing Witch Hunt. It doesn't matter what you chose during the game previous the expansion, she is still pregnant and is hiding your child away in another dimension. So that is proof that it is part of the canon regardless of our choices before fighting the Arch demon. Beside...if you chose not to go that route...your character is dead anyway and you have nothing to worry about.

[Brockololly]

Eh, as much as I like the potential of the Old God Baby story, it is most definitely NOT canon as Gaider and the devs have said as much. Even in Witch Hunt, Morrigan has different responses if you simply had a normal child with her and will mention how even if you turned down the DR, it doesn;t change the "change" to come.

[In Exile]

As an unrelated question, have they fixed the bug in Witch Hunt yet?

[Brockololly]

In Exile wrote...

As an unrelated question, have they fixed the bug in Witch Hunt yet?

Oh yeah, for PC it was fixed up within several weeks and I think within the past month or so they got the patch out to 360 and PS3.

[Szorrak]

Gaider never denied that it was part of the canon. Actually, when he was asked, he refused to comment on it, meaning....something is up in the future with the God baby. Discussion bellow.



P: Will we ever see the Old God baby?

DG: Like I would answer that.



If it was not important, David would have just dismissed it as nothing instead of being sly and keeping it a mystery for the future to reveal.



Review full interview at the following link:



http://gameinformer....ons-at-pax.aspx

[Ziggeh]

Szorrak wrote...

Gaider never denied that it was part of the canon.

He's actually been really rather clear on the matter.

David Gaider wrote...

May I put this to rest?

If the player didn't do the Dark Ritual, or didn't get Alistair or Loghain to do it, then it wasn't done. Had Morrigan figured out some way to otherwise do it, then nobody would have died when the Archdemon was
slain. If she had some way to go about getting the Archdemon's soul without resorting to the Dark Ritual as she proposed it, then why did she go through all the trouble?

We could undoubtedly come up with some complex Plan B on Morrigan's part whereby she gets the Archdemon's soul but has to do something far more terrible-- but a) that removes the player's agency in the biggest single choice of Origins and would probably be pretty lame.

I just now noticed the "Loghain to do it", Loghain? Bet she didn't approve of that too much.

Modifié par ziggehunderslash, 26 novembre 2010 - 09:14 .

[marbatico]

ziggehunderslash wrote...
I just now noticed the "Loghain to do it", Loghain? Bet she didn't approve of that too much.

well, its not like she had much of a choice. it was either him (or Alistair if you did things different), the Warden or Riordan.

[Brockololly]

marbatico wrote...

ziggehunderslash wrote...
I just now noticed the "Loghain to do it", Loghain? Bet she didn't approve of that too much.

well, its not like she had much of a choice. it was either him (or Alistair if you did things different), the Warden or Riordan.

Not even Riordan though, as she mentions in the dialogue that she needs someone who is only a new Grey Warden that hasn't been subject to the Taint for too long- so Riordan wouldn't work. She was planning on having all the Orlesian Wardens there before they marched on Denerim so she'd have a greater choice in the matter, but the whole rush to Denerim forced her to proposition the Warden/Alistair/Loghain right away.

[Szorrak]

Hmmm...interesting read from everyone in regard to David's recant. Still doesn't explain why he was so secretive about the topic during the game informer interview. It is possible that they originally planned on making a big canon item, but after seeing the negative responses posted by so many players changed their minds....who knows. Still sounds fishy to me...one moment big mystery and dodging the questions like a politician, next minute flat out dismissing the idea. I for one am all for it. Like I said before, it would be the same as the game FORCING you to have gotten Morrigan pregnant in Which Hunt. Even if you did not choose a romantic relationship during the game. I don't see why they would shy away so much from doing the same thing for the old god child. Like I said...sounds fishy.

[Szorrak]

Ah...Brockololly. I just read some of your other posts. I was not aware that if you did not sleep with her that she says "you denied me....". That is interesting. But like you said, it doesn't avoid the change that is to come none the less, which the child was supposed to bring about if you slept with her. Hmmmmm... interesting and still fish

[In Exile]

Brockololly wrote...
Oh yeah, for PC it was fixed up within several weeks and I think within the past month or so they got the patch out to 360 and PS3.

Thanks! I'm going to have a chance to look at the DLC now and really see what the fuss is about. I've been busy with other things, but it did occur to me to ask given the thread content.

Brockololly wrote...
Not even Riordan though, as she mentions
in the dialogue that she needs someone who is only a new Grey Warden
that hasn't been subject to the Taint for too long- so Riordan wouldn't
work. She was planning on having all the Orlesian Wardens there before
they marched on Denerim so she'd have a greater choice in the matter,
but the whole rush to Denerim forced her to proposition the
Warden/Alistair/Loghain right away.

Wait, what? I missed this part entirely. Or is this Witch Hunt content?

[Ziggeh]

Szorrak wrote...

Still doesn't explain why he was so secretive about the topic during the game informer interview.

The dev's are always fairly cagey. They clearly have some sort of disclosure list, information they can release and information they can't (as in: the company decides what they can tell us). I've no idea how the system works, but as I see it the default position for a dev prior to a games release would be "secretive".

[Brockololly]

In Exile wrote...
Wait, what? I missed this part entirely. Or is this Witch Hunt content?

No- in the Dark RItual conversation in Origins. It might only be if you're female, but in any event, you can ask Morrigan why she couldn't just ask Riordan to do the Ritual with her- as opposed to Alistair or Loghain- the actual dialogue is kind of buried  and in an odd spot as I remember (like much of the lines in that conversation). And her rationale is that RIordan wouldn't work for the DR because he has been Tainted for too long and thus she needs to do the DR with someone who has only been a Warden for a short amount of time- the PC, Alistair or Loghain.

The other bit was just in regards to things Gaider has posted in the past on why Morrigan propositioned the Warden with the DR when she did. Namely, the Archdemon attack on Denerim and subsequent rush to march there took her by surprise as she likely figured the Orlesian Wardens who were waiting on the border would come and join them at Redcliffe before they set out to Denerim. At which time she's likely have a much larger selection of new Wardens to pick from to do the DR with, as opposed to being stuck with the PC, Alistair or Loghain, since they weren't waiting for the Orlesian Wardens.

Modifié par Brockololly, 27 novembre 2010 - 12:56 .

[GodWood]

So her intent was to run off with some random Orlesian's baby even if she was in love with the Warden?

Modifié par GodWood, 27 novembre 2010 - 01:07 .

[Nerivant]

GodWood wrote...

So her intent was to have a random Orlesian's baby even if she was in love with the Warden?

That's Morrigan for you.

[Brockololly]

GodWood wrote...

So her intent was to run off with some random Orlesian's baby even if she was in love with the Warden?

No- there is dialogue if you're romancing her where she say something along the lines of even if there were a hundred Wardens she'd still want to do the DR with the romancing Warden. But if the Warden was going to turn her down- yeah, she'd likely get some other noob Warden.

[GodWood]

Brockololly wrote...

GodWood wrote...
So her intent was to run off with some random Orlesian's baby even if she was in love with the Warden?

No- there is dialogue if you're romancing her where she say something along the lines of even if there were a hundred Wardens she'd still want to do the DR with the romancing Warden. But if the Warden was going to turn her down- yeah, she'd likely get some other noob Warden.

Hmm, I was kinda hoping what I said to be the case.
I'm a masochist like that.

[Legbiter]

Morrigan's plan to offer the Old Gods a back door to Thedas can be briefly mentioned in DA 2 if the focus of the game is not specifically on said potential backdoor.
 
I used to rather like Morrigan, but the more emo obsessive element of her fandom are almost as pathetic as the Talimancers, so at this stage I say she should be dropped entirely, in order to maintain purity of our bodily fluids.

[Maria Caliban]

Brockololly wrote...

marbatico wrote...

ziggehunderslash wrote...
I just now noticed the "Loghain to do it", Loghain? Bet she didn't approve of that too much.

well, its not like she had much of a choice. it was either him (or Alistair if you did things different), the Warden or Riordan.

Not even Riordan though, as she mentions in the dialogue that she needs someone who is only a new Grey Warden that hasn't been subject to the Taint for too long- so Riordan wouldn't work. She was planning on having all the Orlesian Wardens there before they marched on Denerim so she'd have a greater choice in the matter, but the whole rush to Denerim forced her to proposition the Warden/Alistair/Loghain right away.

Ferelden has a serious problem with not telling people important facts in a timely manner.

I wanted to go, "Seriously, Morrigan? Cause I'm female and Alistair just left. Your entire plan would have failed if Loghain had died!"

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 27 novembre 2010 - 01:32 .

[Jarlof Seoul]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

marbatico wrote...

ziggehunderslash wrote...
I just now noticed the "Loghain to do it", Loghain? Bet she didn't approve of that too much.

well, its not like she had much of a choice. it was either him (or Alistair if you did things different), the Warden or Riordan.

Not even Riordan though, as she mentions in the dialogue that she needs someone who is only a new Grey Warden that hasn't been subject to the Taint for too long- so Riordan wouldn't work. She was planning on having all the Orlesian Wardens there before they marched on Denerim so she'd have a greater choice in the matter, but the whole rush to Denerim forced her to proposition the Warden/Alistair/Loghain right away.

Ferelden has a serious problem with not telling people important facts in a timely manner.

I wanted to go, "Seriously, Morrigan? Cause I'm female and Alistair just left. Your entire plan would have failed if Loghain had died!"

Good point. Glad I was a male Morriholic Warden....

[Heavenblade]

If the divinity series taught me anything, it's that letting a god baby live is a very bad idea. What with them being possessed by a horrible force of darkness and torturing and exterminating humanity from the safety of their flying death fortresses.

[Maria Caliban]

Heavenblade wrote...

If the divinity series taught me anything, it's that letting a god baby live is a very bad idea. What with them being possessed by a horrible force of darkness and torturing and exterminating humanity from the safety of their flying death fortresses.

Also, don't listen to the voices in your head.