334 réponses à ce sujet

[DPB]

Blessed Silence wrote...

dbankier wrote...

Blessed Silence wrote...

That's the one thing I like and kind of dislike about DA:O.  You get alot of choices in how you want to make your story, but then DA:A comes out and I'm like WT* as Alistair is King???

I'm pretty sure that's a bug. Alistair's endings were notoriously buggy, and unfortunately some of it carried over to Awakening.

True.  When I didn't make Alistair king at Landsmeet, then later asked him to sleep with Morrigan, he gave me the line about him being King and can handle anything.

Er no .. fail Alistair.

Yep, that happened to me too. Also, when Anora made her speech in the epilogue, she talked as if Alistair was dead, even though he was standing nearby. In Awakening, Anora was Queen, but there was one dialogue option about having 'chosen the new King.'

[Meyne]

This story only takes place right after the events of the game (or sorta during if you have to get out of Lothering) and up to 10years after. Even if a "god baby" were to exist in canon a ten year old wouldn't be much to work with - most children found to be mages are discovered between seven and their pre-teens, so power won't manifest obviously until about then if the child is to grow as a normal child. That's not even considering Morrigan pulling a Flemeth on the kid (if she even could without a demon pal).



In the end, DA2 side-steps the issue entirely and just says, "Go see the rest of the world, outside the influence of Ferelden where your view is limited and your success is based on being a member of an old order of bad-asses, and start shaping history!" You can get back to Morrigan later, she doesn't have to effect the setting 100% of the time. And even if the Dark Ritual was canon (and not, I suspect, a way to let you have an ending with your beloved, especially if it was Alistair), the effects of that won't be noticed at the time-frame of DA2. So it really doesn't need to be worried about.



(and I always pretend Alistair bragging about being King and can handle anything as his usual joking nature, since everyone was "LOL UR KING NXT" to him for so long he'd bring it up in the end regardless. I love that royal bastard and his sarcasm.)

[joriandrake]

seriously: why the heck is this thread stickied??

[The Edge]

This could be a sign... or a mistake. Could someone please clarify this?

[Chairon de Celeste]

Morrigan's boy must be behind that (by the  end of da rtp, a time bandit)...



(source: Evil Conor by RustyBlade on DA Nexus ImageShare)

[Val Seleznyov]

GodWood wrote...

The DR isn't canon, deal with it.

Sorry if this sounds really stupid, but what is "DR"?

[The Edge]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

GodWood wrote...

The DR isn't canon, deal with it.

Sorry if this sounds really stupid, but what is "DR"?

The Dark Ritual 

[SteveGarbage]

joriandrake wrote...

seriously: why the heck is this thread stickied??

No idea, but I hope if BioWare *is* going to make some sort of announcement/reveal they shoot me an e-mail for an exclusive before they do so

[captain.subtle]

I hate long silences. WHY is this stickied????????????????

EDIT: Let's all Clamour!

Modifié par captain.subtle, 05 août 2010 - 07:59 .

[Val Seleznyov]

Ah. Thank you.


From my point of view, i have never really followed Dragon Age outside of the video game, so maybe i'm not as involved in the world as many of you, but...

If some choices i made in my playthrough are disregarded in the sequel, in favour of making a centralised cannon, i don't think i'm going to mind. It's not going to diminish the time i spent playing Origins and Awakening or how much fun i had with them, which at 70+ hours was a very full experience.

I would maybe like a future DLC to offer a little more closure on my warden, but if everything i did is ignored in the second game, i'm not going to mind any.

[joriandrake]

SteveGarbage wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

seriously: why the heck is this thread stickied??

No idea, but I hope if BioWare *is* going to make some sort of announcement/reveal they shoot me an e-mail for an exclusive before they do so

I hope it is a mistake and not something like a preparation to canonize one of the endings of DA1

[Jamie_edmo]

joriandrake wrote...

SteveGarbage wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

seriously: why the heck is this thread stickied??

No idea, but I hope if BioWare *is* going to make some sort of announcement/reveal they shoot me an e-mail for an exclusive before they do so

I hope it is a mistake and not something like a preparation to canonize one of the endings of DA1

As long as my choices and decisions are imported i dont really care what the canon/default DA2 is

[captain.subtle]

Jamie_edmo wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

SteveGarbage wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

seriously: why the heck is this thread stickied??

No idea, but I hope if BioWare *is* going to make some sort of announcement/reveal they shoot me an e-mail for an exclusive before they do so

I hope it is a mistake and not something like a preparation to canonize one of the endings of DA1

As long as my choices and decisions are imported i dont really care what the canon/default DA2 is

Yes. Because you choices will mean <insert uncivil word> then.

[Dave of Canada]

Following Mass Effect's default state, it's likely that the Old God Baby wasn't born. Default settings tend to cut out plot points that need resolving.

[Blessed Silence]

captain.subtle wrote...

I hate long silences. WHY is this stickied????????????????

EDIT: Let's all Clamour!

*rabble rouser rabble rouser*

[Kaiser Shepard]

joriandrake wrote...

seriously: why the heck is this thread stickied??

I was thinking the same thing, but then realized it may be to prevent similar topics from being made.

You guys know what would be cool? If the third game took place 20 to 30 years after Origins, with one of the lesser antagonists (lesser because it's optional) looking exactly like either your male Warden, Alistair or Loghain (the one who impregnated Morrigan) did back then, only revealing at the end that it was actually the Old God Reborn and that the one who impregnated her died half a decade ago.

Of course, this wouldn't work because of the dwarves, but it would be awesome.

Edit: Wait, it might just work because of shapeshifting.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 05 août 2010 - 09:32 .

[Alyka]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

I don't think there is a dilemma because Morrigan can get impregnated even your Warden and/or Alistair or Loghain never slept with her. Even if you never slept with her and you refuse to do the ritual, it is possible that Morrigan can seduce Riordan the night before the battle. We only see her change into a wolf and leave the Wardens' room, not the castle itself. It's possible that she slinks off immediately to Riordan's room, or that she leaves the castle only for a short period and returns to Riordan later that night.

If the 'god baby' ever becomes a major story line for a future Dragon Age game, I think the Riordan possibility will be explanation given as to how Morrigan managed to conceive her 'god baby' without sleeping with your Warden, Alistair or Loghain.

One more time THIS an I will make a face like THIS:

Riordan can NOT be used for the DR!!!

Just out of curiosity, why not? Is there something in the lore I missed?

As a Grey Warden I'd think Riordan was just as capable of fathering the child as you, Alistair or Loghain. Sure, Riordan dies but the dark ritual doesn't make the Grey Warde's invincible. It just guarantees that they won't be killed if they strike the final blow against the Archdemon. They can still be killed in combat by the Archdemon or the darkspawn.

Even if you sacrificed your Warden Bioware can still get around it if they want to make the god baby canon. They'll just come up with an in game explanation as to why the dark ritual didn't work as intended. (as far as saving the warden)

Sure, Bioware could do that but then there would be a major flaw in the plot.
When Morrigan explains the DR to you, she specifically states that she needs someone who has not been tainted for long ie: male PC, Alistair,Loghain. Riordin is out.He's been a Grey Warden for years.Even if Morrigan did the DR with Riordin,that would mean you, Alistair or Loghain would live if you refuse to do the DR,which doesn't happen. Riordin dies no matter what you choose.

Modifié par Alyka, 05 août 2010 - 10:22 .

[SteveGarbage]

Alyka wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

I don't think there is a dilemma because Morrigan can get impregnated even your Warden and/or Alistair or Loghain never slept with her. Even if you never slept with her and you refuse to do the ritual, it is possible that Morrigan can seduce Riordan the night before the battle. We only see her change into a wolf and leave the Wardens' room, not the castle itself. It's possible that she slinks off immediately to Riordan's room, or that she leaves the castle only for a short period and returns to Riordan later that night.

If the 'god baby' ever becomes a major story line for a future Dragon Age game, I think the Riordan possibility will be explanation given as to how Morrigan managed to conceive her 'god baby' without sleeping with your Warden, Alistair or Loghain.

One more time THIS an I will make a face like THIS:

Riordan can NOT be used for the DR!!!

Just out of curiosity, why not? Is there something in the lore I missed?

As a Grey Warden I'd think Riordan was just as capable of fathering the child as you, Alistair or Loghain. Sure, Riordan dies but the dark ritual doesn't make the Grey Warde's invincible. It just guarantees that they won't be killed if they strike the final blow against the Archdemon. They can still be killed in combat by the Archdemon or the darkspawn.

Even if you sacrificed your Warden Bioware can still get around it if they want to make the god baby canon. They'll just come up with an in game explanation as to why the dark ritual didn't work as intended. (as far as saving the warden)

Sure, Bioware could do that but then there would be a major flaw in the plot.
When Morrigan explains the DR to you, she specifically states that she needs someone who has not been tainted for long ie: male PC, Alistair,Loghain. Riordin is out.He's been a Grey Warden for years.Even if Morrigan did the DR with Riordin,that would mean you, Alistair or Loghain would live if you refuse to do the DR,which doesn't happen. Riordin dies no matter what you choose.

Yes, although you never "see" the death since it pans out to the explosion atop Drakon from the ground, the person who does it is clearly dead.

If they chose to, it's much easier to explain your way out of the DR than into it. It's as simple as saying the ritual didn't work correctly and the Archdemon soul killed the baby - bam, end of story. Not saying that that should happen, but it's just one possibility.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Alyka wrote...

Sure, Bioware could do that but then there would be a major flaw in the plot.
When Morrigan explains the DR to you, she specifically states that she needs someone who has not been tainted for long ie: male PC, Alistair,Loghain. Riordin is out.He's been a Grey Warden for years.Even if Morrigan did the DR with Riordin,that would mean you, Alistair or Loghain would live if you refuse to do the DR,which doesn't happen. Riordin dies no matter what you choose.

If Bioware wants to make the DR canon they can do it without a major retcon  so long as Morrigan didn't hint that the advanced stages of the taint had made Riordan completely sterile. If she just stated that he was a poor candidate for the ritual because of the taint, and without going into further detail, they could still make the DR canon. After all if Morrigan seduced Riordan and afterwards your Warden, Loghain or Alistair still died, then the ritual did fail at least partially. Even if it manages to produce the 'god baby' as Morrigan intended, it didn't succeed in preventing the death of the Grey Warden that struck down the Archdemon. In that case the ritual could be made canon without Morrigan being wrong.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 06 août 2010 - 04:35 .

[Saibh]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Alyka wrote...

Sure, Bioware could do that but then there would be a major flaw in the plot.
When Morrigan explains the DR to you, she specifically states that she needs someone who has not been tainted for long ie: male PC, Alistair,Loghain. Riordin is out.He's been a Grey Warden for years.Even if Morrigan did the DR with Riordin,that would mean you, Alistair or Loghain would live if you refuse to do the DR,which doesn't happen. Riordin dies no matter what you choose.

If Bioware wants to make the DR canon they can do it without a major retcon  so long as Morrigan didn't hint that the advanced stages of the taint had made Riordan completely sterile. If she just stated that he was a poor candidate for the ritual because of the taint, and without going into further detail, they could still make the DR canon. After all if Morrigan seduced Riordan and afterwards your Warden, Loghain or Alistair still died, then the ritual did fail at least partially. Even if it manages to produce the 'god baby' as Morrigan intended, it didn't succeed in preventing the death of the Grey Warden that struck down the Archdemon. In that case the ritual could be made canon without Morrigan being wrong.

No, she said that she needed someone for whom the taint was new.

Besides, BioWare has already said they wouldn't make the DR canon by cheating, since that horribly cheapened your choice.

Besides that...wouldn't your Warden have survived if the DR was completed and the Archdemon killed? Once the Archdemon is dead, it's dead. I don't see why there'd be...residual soul or somesuch for Morrigan to, er, trap.

[Dave of Canada]

vilnii wrote...

I do not know why folks believe the old god baby has to be evil...

This would be the essence of the ancient Tevinter god of beauty released from its prison and entering the child in uncorrupted form.

It does not represent evil at all... it represents restoration and limitless potential

On my **** playthrough, the baby will be evil. I let Flemeth go and the chance of Flemeth entering that child's body is highly likely.

[Anarya]

vilnii wrote...

I do not know why folks believe the old god baby has to be evil...

This would be the essence of the ancient Tevinter god of beauty released from its prison and entering the child in uncorrupted form.

It does not represent evil at all... it represents restoration and limitless potential

I don't think the baby has to be evil at all. In fact, since it is the PERFECT setup for a PC I think it'll be however you want to play it. I mean, really. It now has a past as something good and something evil and has literally been reborn with the choice to now go either way. Sure it'd mean Bioware was revisiting the "chosen one" type of story but the setup just seems too perfect not to use.

The only thing that makes me question this as a future storyline is the fact that the DR is not necessarily canon.

[Dave of Canada]

Anarya wrote...

The only thing that makes me question this as a future storyline is the fact that the DR is not necessarily canon.

They could force a canon.

.. or a "default" as the Mass Effect crew call it.