Hah. I never gave her the Robes of Possession, in fact, I destroyed them. Havent any of you heard of a phylactery type object?
Morrigans God Baby Dilemma
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#177
Posté 27 août 2010 - 06:18
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I believe my article said the god baby couldn't be the focus of a major storyline. And that still stands because this is not a major future storyline, it's a DLC and this is the best way to handle this wrap up.Jarlof Seoul wrote...
How about that! WITCH HUNT! Bioware came through for the Morri fans!
Bioware you rock!
I also believe I specifically say in the article that if the god baby story wants to be addressed it will have to be done through Morrigan to be consistent for US and DR players equally. And what do we have - a Morrigan-focused DLC that may address the god baby issue if you did Dark Ritual.
#178
Posté 28 août 2010 - 03:35
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When the writer of the OP and Article starts talking about the soul of Ancient god mages i just can't read any further or take the writer seriously since he
a) did not play the game him self or
just makes something up for the sake of sensation or
c) has no clue what he is talking about
should have known that it was just another version of the Liara /Fem Shep sensation and i am done with this
a) did not play the game him self or
just makes something up for the sake of sensation or c) has no clue what he is talking about
should have known that it was just another version of the Liara /Fem Shep sensation and i am done with this
#179
Posté 28 août 2010 - 05:46
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wickedwizzard01 wrote...
When the writer of the OP and Article starts talking about the soul of Ancient god mages i just can't read any further or take the writer seriously since he
a) did not play the game him self or
c) has no clue what he is talking about
should have known that it was just another version of the Liara /Fem Shep sensation and i am done with this
Uh what? I hope you are not confussing DA with ME.
#180
Posté 28 août 2010 - 06:10
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I'm responding to two things brought up here.
The first, an ending. There was an ending; the archdemon was defeated. The dlc stuff was fun, but only added to the DAO mythology and not the archdemon story. The expansion was a whole different conflict that related to the blight we averted or ended, but again, we found out more about the darkspawn and story behind the story. SO, I don't understand why people are upset the Morrigan story is a dlc (much like the Leilianna one). The Blight's over=resolution. Thedas continues. I'd like an expansion, but I'm ready to give my wardens a rest and meet someone new, and get a different perspective.
Second, the canon, Bioware has done something smart here. Dragon Age is about lack of clarity. Does The Maker exist? Did we end the Blight? Logain hero or villain? And now, with DA2 they are ramping that idea up- someone else is telling the story. Specifics are lost in the story's teller and the story's retelling, bent to fit someone's ends, so there does not have to be a canon; we as the player can know "the true story" Bioware will tell us how history sees it. Even the Witch hunt dlc seems mysterious, is it Morrigan? Was she pregnant? I have a feeling she will have "lost the baby" to get around did you plant a seed or not. maybe she couldn't go through with it. Maybe she is fleeing her mother. Who knows?
The first, an ending. There was an ending; the archdemon was defeated. The dlc stuff was fun, but only added to the DAO mythology and not the archdemon story. The expansion was a whole different conflict that related to the blight we averted or ended, but again, we found out more about the darkspawn and story behind the story. SO, I don't understand why people are upset the Morrigan story is a dlc (much like the Leilianna one). The Blight's over=resolution. Thedas continues. I'd like an expansion, but I'm ready to give my wardens a rest and meet someone new, and get a different perspective.
Second, the canon, Bioware has done something smart here. Dragon Age is about lack of clarity. Does The Maker exist? Did we end the Blight? Logain hero or villain? And now, with DA2 they are ramping that idea up- someone else is telling the story. Specifics are lost in the story's teller and the story's retelling, bent to fit someone's ends, so there does not have to be a canon; we as the player can know "the true story" Bioware will tell us how history sees it. Even the Witch hunt dlc seems mysterious, is it Morrigan? Was she pregnant? I have a feeling she will have "lost the baby" to get around did you plant a seed or not. maybe she couldn't go through with it. Maybe she is fleeing her mother. Who knows?
#181
Posté 29 août 2010 - 01:23
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GodWood is still kickin' what joyous day this is! you probably don't remember me from the old ME forums but anways...GodWood wrote...
The DR isn't canon, deal with it.
don't be such a meany butt about this
#182
Posté 29 août 2010 - 01:25
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The DLC will probably end with the God baby dying, or dissapearing to wrap up the storylineSteveGarbage wrote...
I believe my article said the god baby couldn't be the focus of a major storyline. And that still stands because this is not a major future storyline, it's a DLC and this is the best way to handle this wrap up.Jarlof Seoul wrote...
How about that! WITCH HUNT! Bioware came through for the Morri fans!
Bioware you rock!
I also believe I specifically say in the article that if the god baby story wants to be addressed it will have to be done through Morrigan to be consistent for US and DR players equally. And what do we have - a Morrigan-focused DLC that may address the god baby issue if you did Dark Ritual.
If bioware does that, I will never buy a DLC from them ever again
#183
Posté 29 août 2010 - 01:26
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Canon is whatever bioware decides canon is
LOLWUT?
LOLWUT?
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#184
Posté 09 septembre 2010 - 11:49
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serjwolf wrote...
The DLC will probably end with the God baby dying, or dissapearing to wrap up the storylineSteveGarbage wrote...
I believe my article said the god baby couldn't be the focus of a major storyline. And that still stands because this is not a major future storyline, it's a DLC and this is the best way to handle this wrap up.Jarlof Seoul wrote...
How about that! WITCH HUNT! Bioware came through for the Morri fans!
Bioware you rock!
I also believe I specifically say in the article that if the god baby story wants to be addressed it will have to be done through Morrigan to be consistent for US and DR players equally. And what do we have - a Morrigan-focused DLC that may address the god baby issue if you did Dark Ritual.
If bioware does that, I will never buy a DLC from them ever again
Does diappearing count if he doesn't show up (as in DLC where he is "safe and out of reach?"
#185
Posté 09 septembre 2010 - 04:10
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It can't be a major part, plausibly, because the player does not have to do the ritual. Unless Bioware forces a canon tale of the choices that the warden can make.
#186
Posté 09 septembre 2010 - 04:20
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Old saying, there's more than one way to skin a cat.
There's more than a few avenues to the same end.
If they want to bring the god baby into play, then they could:
1) Imply. Vagueness can let it be whatever the player wants it to be. If they did the Dark Ritual, the player can choose to believe that it's the god baby of a Warden and Morrigan. Or the player can choose to believe it's a completely different mystical boy.
2) Alternate routes. Maybe the ritual didn't happen. Maybe there's another way to get an Old God's soul that we don't know about.
There's more than a few avenues to the same end.
If they want to bring the god baby into play, then they could:
1) Imply. Vagueness can let it be whatever the player wants it to be. If they did the Dark Ritual, the player can choose to believe that it's the god baby of a Warden and Morrigan. Or the player can choose to believe it's a completely different mystical boy.
2) Alternate routes. Maybe the ritual didn't happen. Maybe there's another way to get an Old God's soul that we don't know about.
#187
Posté 09 septembre 2010 - 05:07
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At present, I'm very doubtful that you can have a videogame story in which actions have important and far-reaching consequences (from game to game) without establishing a canon of some sort.
I confess that I am one of the (very) few people who was -- personally -- somewhat disappointed to learn that DA2 would not be establishing a "loose canon" (flexible character, with certain major decisions being concrete) for DA:O because, for me, what we now have is a situation in which our most important decisions happened but cannot truly matter.
If I have to come down on one side or the other, I really don't care that much about whether or not my decisions "actually happened" in a video game. I care about whether or not they actually mattered.
For example, while I have a huge amount of respect for Obsidian's attempt to cater for every player's take on Revan... the fact that the galaxy was almost EXACTLY the same in KotOR II irrespective of whether or not Revan redeemed himself or reclaimed the mantle of Dark Lord of the Sith robbed that decision of all significance. (And, since Lucas Licensing decided upon a canon, anyway, it was ultimately a waste of time... but lets not get into that)
Conversely, the RPG Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain, ends with Kain -- the protagonist -- being given a choice: sacrifice himself to heal the land, or live on as a decaying world's vampiric overlord. In the (non RPG) sequels, it is established that he went with the latter option and, as such, that decision retains all of its significance. I know that in those games where I chose to sacrifice Kain, something very different would have been the result.
So, yeah, I'd have been perfectly happy to learn that the "bigger" choices in DA:O had been given canon decisions, if only so they remained "big" choices.
Still, I realise I'm very much in the minority, here, and I'm happy that BioWare gave the vast majority of their fanbase what they wanted.
And, all of that said, I'm certain that I'll still very much enjoy DA2 and all the little references to the actions undertaken by my Warden, etc. It's certainly not a deal breaker... I just like big, potentially world shattering decisions. 
Which, obviously, the God Baby (or lack of God Baby) can no longer be. Unless they bring him/his absence into play right at the end of the series.
Protagonist: You need to save the world, or Flemeth will EAT IT!
Morrison: Dude, I [can/can't]! I [am/am not] the embodiment of an Old God
Protagonist: [Hooray!/Damn!] [Thank the Maker the Warden did/If only the Warden had done] the Dark Ritual. *Looks at camera*
I confess that I am one of the (very) few people who was -- personally -- somewhat disappointed to learn that DA2 would not be establishing a "loose canon" (flexible character, with certain major decisions being concrete) for DA:O because, for me, what we now have is a situation in which our most important decisions happened but cannot truly matter.
If I have to come down on one side or the other, I really don't care that much about whether or not my decisions "actually happened" in a video game. I care about whether or not they actually mattered.
For example, while I have a huge amount of respect for Obsidian's attempt to cater for every player's take on Revan... the fact that the galaxy was almost EXACTLY the same in KotOR II irrespective of whether or not Revan redeemed himself or reclaimed the mantle of Dark Lord of the Sith robbed that decision of all significance. (And, since Lucas Licensing decided upon a canon, anyway, it was ultimately a waste of time... but lets not get into that)
Conversely, the RPG Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain, ends with Kain -- the protagonist -- being given a choice: sacrifice himself to heal the land, or live on as a decaying world's vampiric overlord. In the (non RPG) sequels, it is established that he went with the latter option and, as such, that decision retains all of its significance. I know that in those games where I chose to sacrifice Kain, something very different would have been the result.
So, yeah, I'd have been perfectly happy to learn that the "bigger" choices in DA:O had been given canon decisions, if only so they remained "big" choices.
Still, I realise I'm very much in the minority, here, and I'm happy that BioWare gave the vast majority of their fanbase what they wanted.
And, all of that said, I'm certain that I'll still very much enjoy DA2 and all the little references to the actions undertaken by my Warden, etc. It's certainly not a deal breaker... I just like big, potentially world shattering decisions. Which, obviously, the God Baby (or lack of God Baby) can no longer be. Unless they bring him/his absence into play right at the end of the series.
Protagonist: You need to save the world, or Flemeth will EAT IT!
Morrison: Dude, I [can/can't]! I [am/am not] the embodiment of an Old God
Protagonist: [Hooray!/Damn!] [Thank the Maker the Warden did/If only the Warden had done] the Dark Ritual. *Looks at camera*
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#188
Posté 09 septembre 2010 - 05:11
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Taleroth wrote...
Old saying, there's more than one way to skin a cat.
There's more than a few avenues to the same end.
If they want to bring the god baby into play, then they could:
1) Imply. Vagueness can let it be whatever the player wants it to be. If they did the Dark Ritual, the player can choose to believe that it's the god baby of a Warden and Morrigan. Or the player can choose to believe it's a completely different mystical boy.
2) Alternate routes. Maybe the ritual didn't happen. Maybe there's another way to get an Old God's soul that we don't know about.
Thank you.
Personally I hope that BW goes with the alternate route approach. Then I can have at least 2 distinct playthroughs hehe
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Posté 09 septembre 2010 - 05:34
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Ulicus wrote...
At present, I'm very doubtful that you can have a videogame story in which actions have important and far-reaching consequences (from game to game) without establishing a canon of some sort......
.....So, yeah, I'd have been perfectly happy to learn that the "bigger" choices in DA:O had been given canon decisions, if only so they remained "big" choices.
Still, I realise I'm very much in the minority, here, and I'm happy that BioWare gave the vast majority of their fanbase what they wanted.
You are not in the minority..2 books, .An 80 hour game, an expansion, and several DLC into this franchise, we still know next to nothing about key personalities, key historical events (coming of the darksoawn for instance) and cosmology...
Something seem off about this situation. We are guessing at everything.
You cannot make a statement about Thedas right now without saying "according to the Chantry"
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#190
Posté 09 septembre 2010 - 09:50
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Ulicus wrote...
At present, I'm very doubtful that you can have a videogame story in which actions have important and far-reaching consequences (from game to game) without establishing a canon of some sort.
I confess that I am one of the (very) few people who was -- personally -- somewhat disappointed to learn that DA2 would not be establishing a "loose canon" (flexible character, with certain major decisions being concrete) for DA:O because, for me, what we now have is a situation in which our most important decisions happened but cannot truly matter.
If I have to come down on one side or the other, I really don't care that much about whether or not my decisions "actually happened" in a video game. I care about whether or not they actually mattered.
For example, while I have a huge amount of respect for Obsidian's attempt to cater for every player's take on Revan... the fact that the galaxy was almost EXACTLY the same in KotOR II irrespective of whether or not Revan redeemed himself or reclaimed the mantle of Dark Lord of the Sith robbed that decision of all significance. (And, since Lucas Licensing decided upon a canon, anyway, it was ultimately a waste of time... but lets not get into that)
Conversely, the RPG Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain, ends with Kain -- the protagonist -- being given a choice: sacrifice himself to heal the land, or live on as a decaying world's vampiric overlord. In the (non RPG) sequels, it is established that he went with the latter option and, as such, that decision retains all of its significance. I know that in those games where I chose to sacrifice Kain, something very different would have been the result.
So, yeah, I'd have been perfectly happy to learn that the "bigger" choices in DA:O had been given canon decisions, if only so they remained "big" choices.
Still, I realise I'm very much in the minority, here, and I'm happy that BioWare gave the vast majority of their fanbase what they wanted.
Which, obviously, the God Baby (or lack of God Baby) can no longer be. Unless they bring him/his absence into play right at the end of the series.
Protagonist: You need to save the world, or Flemeth will EAT IT!
Morrison: Dude, I [can/can't]! I [am/am not] the embodiment of an Old God
Protagonist: [Hooray!/Damn!] [Thank the Maker the Warden did/If only the Warden had done] the Dark Ritual. *Looks at camera*
LOL!!! Morrison. That's awesome. I have to use that in future posts. Excellent!
Modifié par Jarlof Seoul, 09 septembre 2010 - 09:52 .
#191
Posté 09 septembre 2010 - 10:06
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It's canon for those who did it in their game.GodWood wrote...
The DR isn't canon, deal with it.
#192
Posté 10 septembre 2010 - 02:45
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atheelogos wrote...
It's canon for those who did it in their game.GodWood wrote...
The DR isn't canon, deal with it.
nicely put.
#193
Posté 10 septembre 2010 - 02:48
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atheelogos wrote...
It's canon for those who did it in their game.GodWood wrote...
The DR isn't canon, deal with it.
And it's not canon for those who didn't. Therefore unless BioWare plans to do something radically different and have radically diverging storylines (don't hold your breath for it, you will pass out), the god baby is never going to be featured in any major storyline. Deal with it.
#194
Posté 10 septembre 2010 - 03:35
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The god baby is probably CANON,
these are the points I think it is, any way who knows, *chuch(BW)chuch*
in the and of DA:O it is already said the she is seen traveling as a pregger.
in WH it is all about what morrigan is doing.
in WH Morrigan talks alot about how great and powerfull this OGB would be and that it would make really big change's.
plus a human whit the powers of a god is really cool and it is related to your warden so that makes him even more awesome.
so that's why i think the OGB is kind of a canon for future games say DA 3 or
DA:O 2 tada maeby they cana do that make a DA:O 2 that would be so cool
BW you ROCK
these are the points I think it is, any way who knows, *chuch(BW)chuch*
in the and of DA:O it is already said the she is seen traveling as a pregger.
in WH it is all about what morrigan is doing.
in WH Morrigan talks alot about how great and powerfull this OGB would be and that it would make really big change's.
plus a human whit the powers of a god is really cool and it is related to your warden so that makes him even more awesome.
so that's why i think the OGB is kind of a canon for future games say DA 3 or
DA:O 2 tada maeby they cana do that make a DA:O 2 that would be so cool
BW you ROCK
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#195
Posté 10 septembre 2010 - 06:58
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boyd130 wrote...
The god baby is probably CANON,
No, it's not. Mr. Gaider right out said that it wasn't going to be forced on people. If you didn't do the ritual, then it didn't happen.
#196
Posté 10 septembre 2010 - 08:15
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Why don't we just call the baby by it's name, Urthemiel? Just asking.
#197
Posté 10 septembre 2010 - 08:17
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Because that's the name of the dragon, not the name of the baby.
I had a history teacher that believed he used to be a reincarnation of a dolphin, we didn't call him SQUEAK SQUEAK EEEEEEEE.
I had a history teacher that believed he used to be a reincarnation of a dolphin, we didn't call him SQUEAK SQUEAK EEEEEEEE.
Modifié par Taleroth, 10 septembre 2010 - 08:18 .
#198
Posté 10 septembre 2010 - 08:17
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boyd130 wrote...
The god baby is probably CANON
Witch Hunt proves otherwise.
#199
Posté 10 septembre 2010 - 09:03
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But maybe there could be godbaby without DR. Witch Hunt DLC final dialogue with morrigan seems to be suggesting that this could be an option [spoiler alert]: Morri admits that she was wrong about Flemeth's plan and even her nature, then claims that warden denying her Dark Ritual won't change things that are about to come. So maybe Morrison would got the Old God soul not because of Warden being father (the info about DR came from Flemmeth grimoire so it could be a lie to deceive Morrigan/Wardens), but because of Morrigan being mother, as she is daughter of Flemeth, who in fact turns out to be (dramatic sound effect) Old God herself/ real creator of Grey Wardens/ Andraste father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate/ whatever plot will require. Warden fathering a child would only give him special stats/free him from taint/... No canon Dark Rtual, canon GodBaby.Indoctrination wrote...
boyd130 wrote...
The god baby is probably CANON,
No, it's not. Mr. Gaider right out said that it wasn't going to be forced on people. If you didn't do the ritual, then it didn't happen.
Or maybe I'm just creating insane and unjustified plots because i want a godbaby in one of DA games. Because godbabies are awesome. And it would totally be in accordance with DA being BG spiritual succesor^_^
Hope I make some sense
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Posté 11 septembre 2010 - 12:26
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Good point. I had forgotten that BG protagonist was a Child of Bhaal...
