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[Valdan777]

 The mattock is extremely powerful and accurate; and virtually makes the viper obsolete. It also complements the widow soldier playstyle extremely well. With the combination of both, taking damage becomes a thing of the past (even on insanity). Although these weapons have low ammunition counts, switching between the shotgun/AR/SR and heavy pistol will supply you with more then enough ammo to handle each situation with ease. 

[tommyt_1994]

Yes it does make them overpowered, and I cant wait until I hit the collector ship to have all that overpowered-ness

[Simbacca]

Widow + Mattock + Geth Shotgun w/ Heightened Adrenaline Rush = a sh!t-ton of terrified Collectors, Mercs, Heretic Geth, and Reapers.

Modifié par Simbacca, 04 août 2010 - 04:41 .

[Kronner]

I don't think so. Revenant + Viper is just as good or better imho. Widow can kill only one guy during one Adrenaline Rush, Revenant can kill more enemies. And Mattock is basically Viper without scope, not much difference.

[Valdan777]

I'm about to start a NG+ with that build and go for zero deaths. I would argue that it terms of pure effectiveness this build beats the viper/revenant soldier as its less likely to die, and clears enemies faster. It also makes boss fights a joke. fully upgraded widow is god.

[Simbacca]

Yes, Viper + Revenant + Geth Plasma Shotgun w/ Adrenaline Rush = terrified enemies as well.

Modifié par Simbacca, 04 août 2010 - 04:45 .

[CroGamer002]

Did you ever played with Viper?

[CroGamer002]

Mattock is very overpowered.

[Kronner]

Valdan777 wrote...

fully upgraded widow is god.

So is Revenant though, and you never run out of ammo. Once you get to mid range, Revenant clearly outshines Widow 100% of the time.

[CroGamer002]

Kronner wrote...

Valdan777 wrote...

fully upgraded widow is god.

So is Revenant though, and you never run out of ammo. Once you get to mid range, Revenant clearly outshines Widow 100% of the time.

Did you ever played with Widow as Soldier?

[OniGanon]

I think the introduction of a more accurate shotgun will have a much, much more dramatic effect on the Soldier's game than the Mattock.

Modifié par OniGanon, 04 août 2010 - 05:23 .

[Kronner]

Mesina2 wrote...

Did you ever played with Widow as Soldier?

Of course. Widow is nice, but Viper kills just as fast during AR (one AR = one kill). Widow may be slightly better against big targets like Scions, but not by much, and Revenant is clearly better in mid and close range.

[Valdan777]

That is true. But would you say it kills faster at mid/short range then a widow at long range? especially on bosses/elites?

[Kronner]

Valdan777 wrote...

That is true. But would you say it kills faster at mid/short range then a widow at long range? especially on bosses/elites?

That obviously depends on your playstyle, if you prefer to sit back and snipe, then I can see why you would prefer Widow, which is very slightly better than Viper against the big guys and the same against standard enemies. Revenant vs Widow depends on the situation, sometimes Widow may be more effective, other times Revenant wins.

Modifié par Kronner, 04 août 2010 - 05:09 .

[Bozorgmehr]

Valdan777 wrote...

That is true. But would you say it kills faster at mid/short range then a widow at long range? especially on bosses/elites?

The Rev kills faster at short/mid range, a lot faster. Mainly due to the continous fire. The Widow can only fire once every few seconds (or once during one AR) while the Revenant can take out multiple enemies in the same time (not at long range of course). In the end its basically; snipe at long range, switch to AR at medium range and SG at point blank range to max your damage output.

[OniGanon]

You have it backwards, Kronner. The Viper is actually better than the Widow on bosses, and any enemy that can survive one Widow shot. The Widow is better for standard enemies.

The Widow is better than the Viper vs Scions though, but that's because Scions flinch and flail around, hampering your ability to hit its weak point repeatedly with a rapid fire weapon (unless you have some unnatural godly aim of godliness).

Also, not just the Revenant but pretty much everything outdoes a Sniper Rifle at close range. This is because Sniper Rifles have no range damage bonus. Never use SRs at close-mid range unless you absolutely must.

Modifié par OniGanon, 04 août 2010 - 05:43 .

[Kronner]

OniGanon wrote...

You have it backwards, Kronner. The Viper is actually better than the Widow on bosses, and any enemy that can survive one Widow shot. The Widow is better for standard enemies.

In my opinion Viper is just as good as Widow against regular enemies. One AR = one dead either way. Without AR it is the same, Viper shot stuns, so it is easy to hit them with a few more.
Against bosses I liked Widow better (Scions, Harbinger, Praetorian), but I did not made any precise comparisons to be sure. I think Viper is better than Widow overall. And Revenant + Viper is still my most favourite combo

[ryoldschool]

Rev VS Widow, both are good. I prefer Widow, and this DLC makes widow better because its an upgrade to Vindicator and gives more punch to mid-range for the Widow player. Widow is better for bosses because you spend less time out of cover to deal the damage - most of the really hard parts of the game have bosses with lots of armor.

[OniGanon]

I meant purely in terms of damage and kill speed, and was talking in general rather than class specific. Under AR, they're pretty much the same on mooks so if you never fire a sniper shot outside of AR then Viper is much preferred. I don't always wait for AR though with a Widow Soldier. Too slow, and a lot of the time, unnecessary.

[Bozorgmehr]

ryoldschool wrote...

Widow is better for bosses because you spend less time out of cover to deal the damage - most of the really hard parts of the game have bosses with lots of armor.

Only Preatorians are better suited to take down with the Widow - you can (safely) return fire during the brief moments the P stops firing. Everything else can be killed faster with Viper. Geth Primes are stunned when attacked with Viper, they can't fight back - easy. Same with most elites and bosses, this means you don't need cover only when you're reloading. Use Flashbang against Harby, Scions are a different story - it's hard to headshot them consitently with Viper. If you can pull it of Viper kills them fastest - otherwise the Widow wins.

I only use Widow when I'm playing a sniper, you'll want to one-shot-kill enemies - thats what snipers do but in terms of damage output the Viper is the best SR in ME2

[Simbacca]

OniGanon wrote...

I think the introduction of a more accurate shotgun will have a much, much more dramatic effect on the Soldier's game than the Mattock.

This.

That's actually partly what I was getting at with this post,

Simbacca wrote...

Widow + Mattock + Geth Shotgun w/ Heightened Adrenaline Rush = a sh!t-ton of terrified Collectors, Mercs, Heretic Geth, and Reapers.

and well this post too,

Simbacca wrote...

Yes, Viper + Revenant + Geth Plasma Shotgun w/ Adrenaline Rush = terrified enemies as well.

[Kronner]

OniGanon wrote...

I meant purely in terms of damage and kill speed, and was talking in general rather than class specific. Under AR, they're pretty much the same on mooks so if you never fire a sniper shot outside of AR then Viper is much preferred. I don't always wait for AR though with a Widow Soldier. Too slow, and a lot of the time, unnecessary.

I do not wait for AR either, and once again, Viper kills faster based on my experience, Widow one shot and reload, by the time you can fire with the Widow again, chances are Viper already killed the first one and is working on a second one (or killed him if you land headshots). This is why I prefer Viper to Widow, it has better damage output and kills faster, but you are exposed longer and will probably take more damage (when not using Adrenaline Rush). For the big guys like Scions and Preatorian I use Revenant anyways

Modifié par Kronner, 04 août 2010 - 06:29 .

[V0luS_R0cKs7aR]

With the Widow, it's not about damage/kills-per-second. It's about popping up, inflicting a disgusting amount of damage, then popping down again.



Honestly, if enemies don't shoot back, then the Revanant destroys the Widow. However, Widow is all about maximizing damage output while minimizing damage taken.

[Kronner]

V0luS_R0cKs7aR wrote...

With the Widow, it's not about damage/kills-per-second. It's about popping up, inflicting a disgusting amount of damage, then popping down again.

Honestly, if enemies don't shoot back, then the Revanant destroys the Widow. However, Widow is all about maximizing damage output while minimizing damage taken.

Yes, which is good. At least there are some options, too bad the weapon choice is much more important than your choice of evolved powers etc.

I do not mind taking some damage, Soldier has plenty of health anyways and with Adrenaline Rush active most of the time, you basically cannot die.

[Freakaz0idx]

I just tried Widow Mattock, it's very very nice. I might convert back to Soldier. I just get so sick of spamming revenant, I also feel like I'm spamming when using the viper, it doesn't feel like a sniper rifle. When I play soldier, I want precision and power, Mattock is badass and frees up the Widow for me. Ammo isn't even an issue, the collector ship was a joke.

Modifié par Freakaz0idx, 04 août 2010 - 07:11 .