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[BruceVC]

Hi Guys
I posted a similar question like this  on the NWN2 forum and found out that Atari is being sued by Hasbro ..the owners of Wizards of the Coast..so no NWN3 in the foreseeable future

However would this effect a possible BG3 by someone ?
Hasbro would have to support it but is there a legal reason not for them to develop ?
BG2 has been my favorite RPG of them all so far

[nimzar]

It is extremely unlikely.

(I guess if the Heart of Gold passed by it could happen).

That said, this is probably a good thing. I doubt that a sequel to the greatest game of all time could be anything but a disappointment.

[Remmirath]

Even if there wasn't the legal scuffle, I suspect that Wizards wouldn't let anybody make a 2nd edition game any longer. I could be wrong on that count, though; just a suspicion.

I think the games got tied up pretty nicely in the end, anyhow. I'm not sure what you'd do for a sequel, especially since the endings would lead to you doing rather different things.

Modifié par Halae Dral, 05 août 2010 - 03:54 .

[Crippledcarny]

I believe the new Interplay has said they wanted to make a Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 3... not that, that really matters for anything...

But really I'm not too sure what you're looking for with another BG or NWN game. If it's another Forgotten Realms game I'm sure you'll be seeing one pop up in a few years. Just don't be shocked when you have to learn an entirely new rule set, and you come to find the world is nothing like it once was before the Spell Plague.

[resiak]

Yeah, I feel like BGII:ToB is already THE ending. How could they possibly add something on? You already chose your destiny and everything...



A new series would probably be a better idea, IMO.

[SometimesSpring]

There is no BG3. It's not going to happen, given many reasons, foremost among them the fact that Interplay has shut down. Moreover, it would be smarter for Bioware to create a new game instead of continuing what is definitely a concluded storyline. That, my friends, is exactly what they have done in Dragon Age: Origins. So please, don't pin your hopes on a BG3 cause I can give it to you in writing that it WILL NOT HAPPEN.

[Crippledcarny]

Interplay is very much alive thanks to their selling of the rights to Fallout and putting a lot of their old games on the Wii.

[Kevin Lynch]

I don't think you'll have to worry about Interplay making a BG3. They don't have any rights that would allow them to make it even if they wanted (or could). If you were going to hear anything from anyone on the subject, it'd be Atari.

[Chebby]

I pray every night that Baldur's Gate 3 will not happen.

We got the best of the best and had it end on such a high note.

Let's not risk souring it, eh?

[Chebby]

Crippledcarny wrote...

selling of the rights to Fallout

To this day... The rage of a thousand suns.

[Crippledcarny]

I don't know, I liked Fallout 3. It really wasn't all too bad in between all the crashing every time you walked threw a door... or turned left too hard... or jumped over something... or looked in the wrong direction... but yeah.....

[CoM Solaufein]

No B3. They had their time to make and failed to do so. Too much time has passed, it would use 3D graphics and that suck **** 4th edition rule set.

[TMZuk]

How would you even make a BG3? After ToB there really isn't anything left to do.

[jaxsbudgie]

I don't think people realise that there WAS going to be a Baldur's Gate 3.

Wasn't it called The Black Hound or something? Some concept art leaked, and one screenshot of in game action. They updated the graphics but still kept it isometric, but this time 3D, sort of like Temple of Elemental Evil ... except you know, good. The project never went ahead because of an accounting issue I think, and then Bioware lost the rights ... at least that's how I think it went. The lead designer is now re-designing it in the NWN2 engine, you can follow the progress on a blog of his .... now I had a link to all of the things I said above somewhere, let's see if I can find them.

Screenshot

Concept Art

Article

The Blog of the BG3 mod

Modifié par jaxsbudgie, 12 août 2010 - 09:22 .

[FlintlockJazz]

There was, I believe, an intention to develop a Baldur's Gate 3, however it would not have anything to do with the original storyline and was only going to be called Baldur's Gate 3 because whoever it was (Interplay I think or Black Isle) did not have the rights to create a new D&D game but still had the rights to making Baldur's Gate games, basically a copyright loophole or somesuch. Just like how Activision did not have the legal rights to make a new Mechwarrior game but did have the rights to Mechwarrior 2 and so they made Mechwarrior 2: Mercenaries, which was a standalone game and effectively Mechwarrior 3 but not because of legal reasons.

[CoM Solaufein]

Of course there was going to be a BG3 made by Black Isle forgot its codename. If you want to know more go visit Obsidian's forums and find posts/threads by developer JE Sawyer when he talks about the Black Hound.

[xCirdanx]

BG 3 was almost finished as it seems, here is an interview with a Black Isle Designer:

Gamebanshee:
http://www.gamebansh...nkreynolds2.php

However, the name Baldurs Gate was actually forced on the game, and it had nothing to do with the Bioware games. Here is another interview, this time with the Lead Designer of the game:

Gamebanshee:
http://www.gamebansh...blackhound1.php

Atari has now the rights on D&D and Baldurs Gate. There has been a rumor for over 2 years now that they are indeed working on a BG3. It has also been kinda "confirmed", that at least they are planing to revisit these kind of games:

Eurogamer:
http://www.eurogamer...durs-test-drive

Now, having said this, i don´t think that we will see a BG3 from Atari in the near future. The reason for this is, that it seems they are working on a NWN MMO. That´s a rumor, but a pretty good one and there have been a lot of indications and hints. I simply don´t think they will make a single player RPG and a MMO at the same time.

As it looks likes, Cryptic will make it. Unfortunaly. So it won´t be good. If it turns really out to be made by them, they have not only f****d up a marvel license, Star Trek but then D&D also...well i digress.

Personaly i don´t need a BG3, Biowares Baldurs Gate Series was and still is perfect as it is.

[Loerwyn]

xCirdanx wrote...
As it looks likes, Cryptic will make it. Unfortunaly. So it won´t be good. If it turns really out to be made by them, they have not only f****d up a marvel license.

What. There's nothing to say that Cryptic were the ones who fudged it up, or at least nothing I've seen. Can't say I'm a Cryptic fan, but I've not "properly" tried Champions, CoH/CoV and I've not tried STO at all.

I don't see why a BG3 is necessary. The games market is full of unnecessary sequels, series and additions. Yeah, some of the biggest RPG franchises in the '90s/early '00s had maybe 10 games (Might & Magic, Ultima, Wizardry), but it doesn't mean that has to continue. We have enough pointless releases from the Activision and Nintendo stables, there's no need for D&D based games to jump into the fray.

[xCirdanx]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...
What. There's nothing to say that Cryptic were the ones who fudged it up, or at least nothing I've seen. Can't say I'm a Cryptic fan, but I've not "properly" tried Champions, CoH/CoV and I've not tried STO at all.

They made the games, they messed it up. CoH/CoV was pretty good. Then they had the great idea "oh, why not use one engine to make our future mmo´s to save production time and money, through out the game half finished and then add a cash shop" and there you go you got Champions and Star Trek. Played both, both aren´t worth the IP that got wasted on them.

Of course, thats how i see it.

Btw, it´s official now...NWN MMO is coming and made by Cryptic.

http://www.games-new...tigt.html?url=/

[Loerwyn]

xCirdanx wrote...

They made the games, they messed it up.

That's an incredibly short sighted view of it. So say Marvel pulled out because of the state of the market, it's Cryptic's fault for them pulling out?

[xCirdanx]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...
That's an incredibly short sighted view of it. So say Marvel pulled out because of the state of the market, it's Cryptic's fault for them pulling out?

Maybe my wording wasn´t that good. Anyway, we won´t know why exactly they pulled out, but it sure wasn´t the market, thanks to movies, new comic series and DC Universe, i think it´s safe to say that it wasn´t the market.
Edit: i wouldn´t be surprised if Marvel wasn´t to happy with the game...but that´s my speculation.

Here is an interview about that:

http://multiplayerbl...celed-and-more/

The fact stands, that development still continued, just under a different IP: "Champions". Now, if we look at the production time, which was not significantly longer after marvel pulled out, the game and the features can only be pretty much the same as it would have been with MUO.

And that´s not a good game. That was my whole point. If others like it, that´s fine, but the game isn´t very popular anyways, which doesn´t suprise me.

Modifié par xCirdanx, 23 août 2010 - 05:25 .

[CoM Solaufein]

The only company that could do a BG3 right is the company that started the whole series, Bioware.

[Chebby]

Tbh, I'd prefer a faithful remake project with more sidecontent and such to a sequel/spinoff/prequel. BG '3' should be a no-brainer: it wouldn't please anybody.

A faithful remake with all the complexity and flexibility (old bugs etc would have to be fixed or rewritten, obviously) would please fans of the series whilst still making it appealing to people who never played the game.

Of course, remaking the game fully would be a might too costly. I'm talking about the exact same game in an improved engine, same fixed camera, same voice files and method of going about cutscenes etc... But that's never going to come to pass; if Bioware did either have the ability or have the want to work on Baldur's Gate after all this time, it's likely they'd remake it entirely and there would undoubtably be some major negative reactions from old fans towards any new revisions/retcons to the original. That's just how remakes are.



So that's me: I rather like the idea of a game improvement, but I'm very specific as to how I'd like it. The only things to improve would be pathfinding, inconsistencies, a few gameplay mechanics etc. They wouldn't have to voice every line of dialogue or anything exhausting like that, or even enter 'over-the-shoulder' camera when intitiating dialogue. Just full 3D, fully animated models, redone spell effects, perhaps a NWN2-esque quickcast menu and perhaps more information (examining NPCs, enemies and such, for instance) relayed to the player would be everything required.



You might think it's a lot of work, but bringing the games into current-gen would be substantially less work than a complete remake of the game and you can't say it wouldn't sell well on steam, for instance. People bought Serious Sam HD.

[Humanoid_Taifun]

Phe, I think if they were to remake ToB into a proper BG3, that would be just fine.

[Chebby]

Humanoid_Taifun wrote...

Phe, I think if they were to remake ToB into a proper BG3, that would be just fine.

It does feel like a sequel, rather than an expansion pack, doesn't it? :>