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[DapperDan77]

In DA:O, I loved Bucket (my dog) to bits. Unfortunately, I never took him anywhere, as after the low levels he's just not as useful as other party members. Most people seem to feel the same, I never see Dog mentioned in any "What party?" threads.
 I'd like to see an Ash Warrior spec with a mabari implemented for DA2 similar to the current ranger spec, i.e. a summoned pet. That way he doesn't take up a whole party member slot, but we still get to run about with a dog.
 There could be combos implemented too similarly to the awakenings DW line, I really like how skills had different effects depending on what other attacks you'd used. Something like "Your Ash Warrior super-slap inflicts (extra damage/guaranteed crit/movement/wedgie - pick one) debuff against targets afflicted by growl and inflicts (pick a different one) against targets being overwhelmed"
 I reckon it'd be cool running into melee, me and my dog chomping guys up to bits with skills playing off each other.
Obviously dogs in their current form would be way too powerful to be a summoned companion, but if they were reworked to be similar to ranger pets in terms of power, it could work awesomely well.
 Just one thing though, please no XP stealing like current ranger pets If dog gets the kill, I still want the party to get XP for it.

[Vandrayke]

That actually sounds pretty cool. I think most "we should have an X class" ideas are lame, but I like this. Fits with the lore and lets you have a dog without using a party slot. Cool.

[Kimarous]

The big problem here is that Mabari, and thus the whole Ash Warrior culture, is a Fereldan thing. The Free Marches are not Fereldan. I am quite sure that said collection of city states does not "smell of wet dog" as the last game. Sorry, no Ash Warriors for you.

[Vandrayke]

We obviously won't get one but it still sounds cool. It isn't like it would be impossible for an ash warrior to travel or anything

[Blumbum]

When the Ash Warrior at Ostagar said that Ash warriors are like dwarven berserkers that utilize a mabari hound I thought that's how humans got berserker spec and was sitting there trying to get him to teach me for like 20 minutes.

[Lord_Saulot]

Kimarous wrote...

The big problem here is that Mabari, and thus the whole Ash Warrior culture, is a Fereldan thing. The Free Marches are not Fereldan. I am quite sure that said collection of city states does not "smell of wet dog" as the last game. Sorry, no Ash Warriors for you.

But Hawke is Fereldan.  He could have a Mabari with him when he leaves.  Or acquire one later.  It may not be, but it is not far-fetched.

[Kimarous]

Lord_Saulot wrote...

Kimarous wrote...

The big problem here is that Mabari, and thus the whole Ash Warrior culture, is a Fereldan thing. The Free Marches are not Fereldan. I am quite sure that said collection of city states does not "smell of wet dog" as the last game. Sorry, no Ash Warriors for you.

But Hawke is Fereldan.  He could have a Mabari with him when he leaves.  Or acquire one later.  It may not be, but it is not far-fetched.

The problem lies in the whole "specialization" aspect. Specializations can be applied to anyone in the same class. What happens, then, if you have a party consisting entirely of warriors, who in turn all have this Ash Warrior specialization? Hawke only, maybe I could accept, but all Ash Warriors would beg the question "why are there a ton of Fereldan dogs in the Free Marches... and being handled by dwarves of all people?"

[Vandrayke]

then you could just restrict it. It wouldn't be hard to implement, but it probably wouldn't be worth it to the design team.

[Vandrayke]

I mean they simplified the class system for a reason... you have to draw the line somewhere

[Kimarous]

But if you restrict it, people will complain that it cannot be applied to everyone else like the other specializations. Every time you propose a solution, we just run into more problems. This isn't going to happen.

[Lord_Saulot]

Kimarous wrote...

Lord_Saulot wrote...

Kimarous wrote...

The big problem here is that Mabari, and thus the whole Ash Warrior culture, is a Fereldan thing. The Free Marches are not Fereldan. I am quite sure that said collection of city states does not "smell of wet dog" as the last game. Sorry, no Ash Warriors for you.

But Hawke is Fereldan.  He could have a Mabari with him when he leaves.  Or acquire one later.  It may not be, but it is not far-fetched.

The problem lies in the whole "specialization" aspect. Specializations can be applied to anyone in the same class. What happens, then, if you have a party consisting entirely of warriors, who in turn all have this Ash Warrior specialization? Hawke only, maybe I could accept, but all Ash Warriors would beg the question "why are there a ton of Fereldan dogs in the Free Marches... and being handled by dwarves of all people?"

Is that any more of a problem than we already have?  While the specializations have in-character explanations, we can already take them independently of the story.  Would this be any different?

[Vandrayke]

Kimarous wrote...

But if you restrict it, people will complain that it cannot be applied to everyone else like the other specializations. Every time you propose a solution, we just run into more problems. This isn't going to happen.

lol of course it's not going to happen.  Nobody thinks it will.  It doesn't make it any less of a cool idea imo

[Kimarous]

Lord_Saulot wrote...

Kimarous wrote...

Lord_Saulot wrote...

Kimarous wrote...

The big problem here is that Mabari, and thus the whole Ash Warrior culture, is a Fereldan thing. The Free Marches are not Fereldan. I am quite sure that said collection of city states does not "smell of wet dog" as the last game. Sorry, no Ash Warriors for you.

But Hawke is Fereldan.  He could have a Mabari with him when he leaves.  Or acquire one later.  It may not be, but it is not far-fetched.

The problem lies in the whole "specialization" aspect. Specializations can be applied to anyone in the same class. What happens, then, if you have a party consisting entirely of warriors, who in turn all have this Ash Warrior specialization? Hawke only, maybe I could accept, but all Ash Warriors would beg the question "why are there a ton of Fereldan dogs in the Free Marches... and being handled by dwarves of all people?"

Is that any more of a problem than we already have?  While the specializations have in-character explanations, we can already take them independently of the story.  Would this be any different?

At least the in-game descriptions allow for "a wizard did it" explanations. How did you get Reaver powers? "Uh... deal with a demon. Yeah. Dreams and whatnot. Yay Fade." Blood Mage? Same deal. Templar? Black market dealings. Pretty much everything else can more or less receive similar handwaves.

However, once you bring foreign pedigree dogs into the picture...

[Lord_Saulot]

Kimarous wrote...

Lord_Saulot wrote...

Kimarous wrote...

Lord_Saulot wrote...

Kimarous wrote...

The big problem here is that Mabari, and thus the whole Ash Warrior culture, is a Fereldan thing. The Free Marches are not Fereldan. I am quite sure that said collection of city states does not "smell of wet dog" as the last game. Sorry, no Ash Warriors for you.

But Hawke is Fereldan.  He could have a Mabari with him when he leaves.  Or acquire one later.  It may not be, but it is not far-fetched.

The problem lies in the whole "specialization" aspect. Specializations can be applied to anyone in the same class. What happens, then, if you have a party consisting entirely of warriors, who in turn all have this Ash Warrior specialization? Hawke only, maybe I could accept, but all Ash Warriors would beg the question "why are there a ton of Fereldan dogs in the Free Marches... and being handled by dwarves of all people?"

Is that any more of a problem than we already have?  While the specializations have in-character explanations, we can already take them independently of the story.  Would this be any different?

At least the in-game descriptions allow for "a wizard did it" explanations. How did you get Reaver powers? "Uh... deal with a demon. Yeah. Dreams and whatnot. Yay Fade." Blood Mage? Same deal. Templar? Black market dealings. Pretty much everything else can more or less receive similar handwaves.

However, once you bring foreign pedigree dogs into the picture...

.... you do the same thing.  Black market dealings, deal with demon, etc.  Is getting a dog from another country really that farfetched?

In any case, while I do think this is an appealing idea, it won't likely affect my view of the game one way or another. 

[Vandrayke]

it wouldn't be hard to explain ONE GUY bringing ONE DOG into another land with him with a plot device.

[Blumbum]

Exactly. There's really no reason it couldn't work, especially with Hawke being a native to Ferelden. Hell, The Antivan Crows travel all the way from Antiva. Plus Ash Warriors are expert scouts, they could easily travel.

[BallaZs]

Well, I'd love to see Ash Warrior but not in the mixed form.

It should be a specialization for the warrior class or rogue's.