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[RosaAquafire]

I know that Bioware has already decided what they're doing for DA:2, but I thought I'd share my thoughts on a certain issue that's too late to change, anyway.

Bioware says that they have a "canon," or "default" setting for the end of DA:O for people who want to play DA2 without importing their DA:O setting. The benefit to this is that you get to increase your market accessibility, which is a good thing. Not only people who didn't buy DA:O, but people who did, loved it, but for whatever reason never ended up beating it, can jump right in.

The PROBLEM is that once that's out there, we all have that sinking feeling that our Warden wasn't THE Warden, and our Warden chose "wrong" when they made Anora queen, sponsored Bhelan, or didn't go through the DR.

I think the best way to have done this would be to take that list of flags that are set based on choices in DA:O, and currently have a default setting for a brand new game, and randomize them at the start of every game.

- The paths are already all there, so this isn't actually any extra creation work, just a random number generator at start-up to set those values.

- This way, now there's no "real" Thedas history that we either got right or wrong while playing through DA:O if the history is randomized in every game of DA2.

- It just adds replay value! It would be fun to see what unique variation of Thedas you're playing this time, going into it and being surprised by the little things.

Like I said, I know it's probably too late in development to actually do this, but I just thought I'd share my little solution because I've been thinking about it a lot since I saw that interview. No matter how you slice it, it feels a little invalidating knowing that my character(s) made the "wrong" choices. It would be neat to preserve the idea of Thedas as a history in motion while not promoting one outcome any more than another.

[Bryy_Miller]

Shrodinger's Cat is one of the reasons why I think 50% of science is a load of bunk.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 04 août 2010 - 10:33 .

[captain.subtle]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Shrodinger's Cat is one of the reasons why I think 50% of science is a load of bunk.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Lord Gremlin]

Good idea. Also, this will allow people who don't own DAO or DAA meet all possible characters and hear all possible references.

[Bryy_Miller]

captain.subtle wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Shrodinger's Cat is one of the reasons why I think 50% of science is a load of bunk.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Seriously, Triceratops and Stygimoloch are now no longer dinosaurs? Pluto is no longer a planet? Asperger's is no longer a disability (well, it no longer EXISTS)? Get it together, scientists.

[kyuubifred]

I like this idea. : D

It would be cool to see what set of choices you ended up with each time.

[lv12medic]

Shouldn't this be called Schrödinger's Canon?

[RosaAquafire]

lv12medic wrote...

Shouldn't this be called Schrödinger's Canon?

I'm down for that 

[phantomrachie24]

I think this is a great idea.



When I played ME2 through without importing a save and found out that Shepard had let the council die and done a few other things that I hadn't, I was like "wow this Shepard is such an ass" and I found it really difficult to care what happened to him because they were not the choices that I thought were "right"



If the set up at the start had been randomized then it would give people who had played the first game a reason to bother playing the second through without importing their save.

[SirOccam]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Shrodinger's Cat is one of the reasons why I think 50% of science is a load of bunk.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Seriously, Triceratops and Stygimoloch are now no longer dinosaurs? Pluto is no longer a planet? Asperger's is no longer a disability (well, it no longer EXISTS)? Get it together, scientists.

All the things you just listed are what scientists getting it together looks like. Science is all about constantly revising previously-held notions.

As for Schrödinger's Cat, well...I wouldn't judge all science based on Quantum Mechanics. Everyone knows it's a bit...out there.

[Malanek]

Yeah, this is a really good idea to have as option. Should be easy to implement as well.

Modifié par Malanek999, 04 août 2010 - 11:09 .

[Blumbum]

This is actually an excellent idea. I was thinking of having a summary of every choice at the beginning and let you pick from them, but I actually like this.

[Loc'n'lol]

I'll second that, excellent idea OP.

[Riona45]

SirOccam wrote...

All the things you just listed are what scientists getting it together looks like. Science is all about constantly revising previously-held notions.

Agreed...also, I haven't read anywhere that Asperger's Syndrome no longer exists.

[Riona45]

RosaAquafire wrote...
I think the best way to have done this would be to take that list of flags that are set based on choices in DA:O, and currently have a default setting for a brand new game, and randomize them at the start of every game.

Not a bad idea.  Not sure how easy it would be to implement, though.

[RosaAquafire]

Riona45 wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...
I think the best way to have done this would be to take that list of flags that are set based on choices in DA:O, and currently have a default setting for a brand new game, and randomize them at the start of every game.

Not a bad idea.  Not sure how easy it would be to implement, though.

It's very simple, I think! Admittedly, I haven't done much programming since university, but usually there's a numerical value for every fork in the storyline, and the values that make up the state of history at the start of DA2 are set depending on your choices in DA:O. As it is, those values will just be set to defaults for new DA2 games. All I'm proposing is a quick in-game diceroll that will randomly set each of those values to one of the possibilities, instead of having them be fixed ...

I don't know if that makes sense

[Riona45]

RosaAquafire wrote...

It's very simple, I think! Admittedly, I haven't done much programming since university, but usually there's a numerical value for every fork in the storyline, and the values that make up the state of history at the start of DA2 are set depending on your choices in DA:O. As it is, those values will just be set to defaults for new DA2 games. All I'm proposing is a quick in-game diceroll that will randomly set each of those values to one of the possibilities, instead of having them be fixed ...

I don't know if that makes sense

If you haven't done much programming, you still would know better than I, as I haven't done any.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Riona45 wrote...

Agreed...also, I haven't read anywhere that Asperger's Syndrome no longer exists.

It's no longer a separate syndrome (really, it never was - the point here is that the medical commuity was wrong, and now they've made a correction).  Asperger's is just part of a Autistic Spectrum.

[Kaiser Shepard]

RosaAquafire wrote...

The PROBLEM is that once that's out there, we all have that sinking feeling that our Warden wasn't THE Warden, and our Warden chose "wrong" when they made Anora queen, sponsored Bhelan, or didn't go through the DR.

No, we won't. What YOU choose is YOUR canon. Aside from that nothing else should matter, especially not some poor man's newcomer's default story.

I think the best way to have done this would be to take that list of flags that are set based on choices in DA:O, and currently have a default setting for a brand new game, and randomize them at the start of every game.

In theory a nice concept, but like I said: the default is there for the newcomer. This means there will be as few references to the previous game as possible, to avoid confusing the player. Randomizing things would not help achieve that.

Besides, now you have an excuse to go back do a totally different playthough (not that I would do that).

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 04 août 2010 - 11:36 .

[taine]

Occam's Razor shaved Schrödinger's Cat.

[Lord Gremlin]

taine wrote...

Occam's Razor shaved Schrödinger's Cat.

So, cat had a beard, no? Because in this case everything will make sense. Hawke, beard, cat, canon. Need to get drunk to sort that out...

[andar91]

Not a bad idea, but I honestly don't care if they keep it as is. To me, there's a big difference between canon and default; there are NO right or wrong choices. There are just choices.

[phaonica]

Wow, I think this is a really good idea! I wonder if new players would really *get* it though. The game would have to mention early on, somehow, why certain random differences in the history were occuring with different playthroughs.

[Blumbum]

phaonica wrote...

Wow, I think this is a really good idea! I wonder if new players would really *get* it though. The game would have to mention early on, somehow, why certain random differences in the history were occuring with different playthroughs.

Why should they explain anything to anyone who is playing a SEQUEL to a STORY BASED game.

"duurhuur how do I know whats goin on"

By playing the first one?

[Maverick827]

I disagree that an established cannon would lessen "our" Warden's decisions; in fact, I believe it would only serve to highlight the individual changes you made after you know what the world "could" have been.

That said, randomizing everything achieves this anyway and does it better, so it's a good idea.