We know that our character Hawke and his/her family fled from Lothering to the Free Marches during the Blight. Did his/her sister Bethany flee with them? If so, what is this mage doing outside the Circle Tower? She might have been one of the mages called to fight at Ostagar by the King, but I doubt it. Hardly anyone survived at Ostagar, and in that timeline she would have had to make it from Ostagar to Lothering before the Warden did. There was no evidence of mages at Lothering, and the Templars that were stationed there seemed pretty alert to anyone who might be a mage (I say this based on how they reacted to Morrigan being in my party in the Chantry).
Maybe she belongs to a Circle Tower in the Free Marches? If so, why is she running around free in a land that is apparently under rule by Templars? I would think that with all that power that they hold, they'd have their Circle mages under their thumb even more so than the Fereldan Templar's Circle mages.
Any thoughts on Bethany?
Bethany: Apostate?
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namedforthemoon
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 01:26
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I'm hoping she and Mage Hawke are both apostates who have managed not to ever be sent to a tower. As unlikely as it may sound, remember that there is a whole secret society of mages doing that (the Mage's Collective).
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 01:30
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Agree. We got to play a circle mage already. I think it would be an interesting plot if Bethany was an apostate. That also means they can make the player an apostate (if a mage) without needing to change the story all that much.Riona45 wrote...
I'm hoping she and Mage Hawke are both apostates who have managed not to ever be sent to a tower.
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 01:31
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I am actually REALLY CURIOUS where they're going to go with mageHawke and Beth, here. My best friend and I have been talking about this a lot, actually! I just hope that whatever BW does, it isn't going to be a contridiction to the world-building we already have.
I'm really not sure how picking mage for Hawke wouldn't change the plot a LOT, though, if the wb is intact, and that seems to go against the "no Origins" idea. How long can Hawke keep his/her magic hidden once s/he's a household name, assumably for his/her sweet combat skillz?
I'll be really interested to see how BW handles this
I'm really not sure how picking mage for Hawke wouldn't change the plot a LOT, though, if the wb is intact, and that seems to go against the "no Origins" idea. How long can Hawke keep his/her magic hidden once s/he's a household name, assumably for his/her sweet combat skillz?
I'll be really interested to see how BW handles this
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 01:35
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Or Bethany was older when she was sent to the Circle and still remembers her family and after her harrowing she comes to Lothering in search of Hawke and then the attack happens.
It would be a reunion so it wouldn't be weird when Hawke(and the player who knows nothing about Bethany) would ask her totally obvious questions like any new partymember.
It would be a reunion so it wouldn't be weird when Hawke(and the player who knows nothing about Bethany) would ask her totally obvious questions like any new partymember.
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 02:09
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Good point, Tinxa. But that seems like the really easy way out, lol
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 02:16
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She also could have been one of the mages in the king's army who slipped away in the aftermath and sought her family in Lothering.Tinxa wrote...
Or Bethany was older when she was sent to the Circle and still remembers her family and after her harrowing she comes to Lothering in search of Hawke and then the attack happens.
It would be a reunion so it wouldn't be weird when Hawke(and the player who knows nothing about Bethany) would ask her totally obvious questions like any new partymember.
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 02:18
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Northern Sun wrote...
She also could have been one of the mages in the king's army who slipped away in the aftermath and sought her family in Lothering.Tinxa wrote...
Or Bethany was older when she was sent to the Circle and still remembers her family and after her harrowing she comes to Lothering in search of Hawke and then the attack happens.
It would be a reunion so it wouldn't be weird when Hawke(and the player who knows nothing about Bethany) would ask her totally obvious questions like any new partymember.
Oh wow, this place is full of more brilliant people than I. I hadn't thought of any excuse nearly so creative.
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 02:23
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namedforthemoon wrote...
Good point, Tinxa. But that seems like the really easy way out, lol
Maybe but it would fix a lot of problems
the player also wouldn't be "forced" to like Bethany (I wouldn't mind a plot hook like that personally, but people like their roleplaying freedom
) Hawke could have a "Hey, I didn't see you for X years, I don't care about you" attitude.
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 02:26
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Burn her at the stake! WITCH !!!! PURGE HER IN RIGHTEOUS HOLY FIRE!!!
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 02:42
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The problem with this idea is that Hawke can also be a mage.
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 03:00
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I'm kinda hoping for a Mass Effect-esque background choice for Hawke. Perhaps one of which having him being an apostate from the start (Available only to mages)
I think Bethany will be a circle mage so that after Lothering you have to go to Denerim to destroy her phylactory
I think Bethany will be a circle mage so that after Lothering you have to go to Denerim to destroy her phylactory
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 03:12
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At which point she becomes an apostate anyway.Lord Aesir wrote...
I think Bethany will be a circle mage so that after Lothering you have to go to Denerim to destroy her phylactory
I'm sure there are possible explainations that will work to give you motivation to flee Feraldan, but starting her off as an apostate gives you a built in one. If she was a circle mage and was at Ostagar, why not return to the circle tower after that?
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 03:52
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It'll be interesting to see how they handle Bethany in Kirkwall which is supposedly under the control of a new lord who is heavily influenced by the Templars.
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 04:18
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I'd like to see Bethany as an apostate and if Mage Hawke is an apostate too then that could be one of the reasons why the Chantry is trying to find out more information on him/her
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 05:24
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The real questions we should be asking ourselves is does she weigh the same as a duck, and will she float in water?
Thats not necessarily a problem. Do we know how old bethany is? It may just be that you passed your harrowing before she did, and you still havent seen her in some time. Or maybe you both visit home from the circle together.
Personally, I'd rather she not be an apostate.
RosaAquafire wrote...
The problem with this idea is that Hawke can also be a mage.
Thats not necessarily a problem. Do we know how old bethany is? It may just be that you passed your harrowing before she did, and you still havent seen her in some time. Or maybe you both visit home from the circle together.
Personally, I'd rather she not be an apostate.
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 05:40
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One thing I don't get about one or both of the Hawkes "visiting family after the Harrowing" is...I thought the whole deal with mages were that they were essentially prisoners in the Tower. Are mages allowed to just go off like that outside of official things like joining the army? Suddenly the idea of escaping from the Tower seems a lot less impressive.
The real question...one I desperately want to see answered...is are they going to keep pronouncing "apostate" as "APP-uh-state?" Dear Maker I hope not. It sounds ridiculous. They pronounced it the normal way all through DAO, and for the first few minutes of Awakening, but then the rest of Awakening (and at least once in Leliana's Song) they go with the new WRONG pronunciation. It's "uh-POSS-tate!"
The real question...one I desperately want to see answered...is are they going to keep pronouncing "apostate" as "APP-uh-state?" Dear Maker I hope not. It sounds ridiculous. They pronounced it the normal way all through DAO, and for the first few minutes of Awakening, but then the rest of Awakening (and at least once in Leliana's Song) they go with the new WRONG pronunciation. It's "uh-POSS-tate!"
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 05:43
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SirOccam wrote...
One thing I don't get about one or both of the Hawkes "visiting family after the Harrowing" is...I thought the whole deal with mages were that they were essentially prisoners in the Tower. Are mages allowed to just go off like that outside of official things like joining the army? Suddenly the idea of escaping from the Tower seems a lot less impressive.
You are correct. Mages aren't supposed to go anywhere without permission from their superiors. They simply aren't allowed to go off galavanting whenever or wherever they want.
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 05:46
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That's why I didn't think that Bethany was from the Circle to start with. Mages are sealed in, it was said several times in DAO that the tower is a "gilded cage" (Duncan's narrative at the beginning of the Mage origin). As a mage, you cannot just leave, just ask the templars guarding the big door. It has to be for a really important reason, like at the King's request. So if Bethany IS a circle mage, she might have managed to get away at the battle of Ostagar. Otherwise, she'd be an apostate, a mage outside the circle.
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 06:17
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The idea of Bethany and Hawke both being mages interests me quite a bit. The travelling apostate siblings... could make for some interesting reactions if that turns out to be the case.
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 07:01
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namedforthemoon wrote...
That's why I didn't think that Bethany was from the Circle to start with. Mages are sealed in, it was said several times in DAO that the tower is a "gilded cage" (Duncan's narrative at the beginning of the Mage origin). As a mage, you cannot just leave, just ask the templars guarding the big door. It has to be for a really important reason, like at the King's request. So if Bethany IS a circle mage, she might have managed to get away at the battle of Ostagar. Otherwise, she'd be an apostate, a mage outside the circle.
So that explains how Bethany got away. What about a mage Hawke? It makes much more sense for a mage Hawke to be an apostate, unless Hawke was also a part of the king's army? But then why would Hawke flee darkspawn? SENSE IT MAKES NONE.
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 07:13
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Not all mages are forced to remain in their respective Circles. Wynne seems to be allowed to wander where she will, as she plans to even travel to Tevinter and can be found in Amaranthine and her friend (a mage as well) can be found studying plants in the.... was it the Wending Woods or something? Likely they'll just have to mention their comings and goings to local chantries, but it seems like graduated mages (enchanters and such) can move from place to place if they have permission from local chantries.
Either mageHawke and Bethany were with the king's army, were allowed to go to Lothering and just need to announce their presence in the Free Marches to not be seen as apostates, or are just apostates.
Edit: Even Shale's previous "owner" was a mage who helped out in the rebellion against Orlais was allowed to live in a town and have a family. He was well known, even an enchanter, and he wasn't forced to remain in a Circle Tower, just the young mages until they graduate some time after their Harrowing I guess. Just need permission from local Chantries.
Either mageHawke and Bethany were with the king's army, were allowed to go to Lothering and just need to announce their presence in the Free Marches to not be seen as apostates, or are just apostates.
Edit: Even Shale's previous "owner" was a mage who helped out in the rebellion against Orlais was allowed to live in a town and have a family. He was well known, even an enchanter, and he wasn't forced to remain in a Circle Tower, just the young mages until they graduate some time after their Harrowing I guess. Just need permission from local Chantries.
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 07:42
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Malanek999 wrote...
I'm sure there are possible explainations that will work to give you motivation to flee Feraldan, but starting her off as an apostate gives you a built in one. If she was a circle mage and was at Ostagar, why not return to the circle tower after that?
Because the writers said so.
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 12:10
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DaerogTheDhampir wrote...
Not all mages are forced to remain in their respective Circles. Wynne seems to be allowed to wander where she will, as she plans to even travel to Tevinter and can be found in Amaranthine and her friend (a mage as well) can be found studying plants in the.... was it the Wending Woods or something? Likely they'll just have to mention their comings and goings to local chantries, but it seems like graduated mages (enchanters and such) can move from place to place if they have permission from local chantries.
Either mageHawke and Bethany were with the king's army, were allowed to go to Lothering and just need to announce their presence in the Free Marches to not be seen as apostates, or are just apostates.
Edit: Even Shale's previous "owner" was a mage who helped out in the rebellion against Orlais was allowed to live in a town and have a family. He was well known, even an enchanter, and he wasn't forced to remain in a Circle Tower, just the young mages until they graduate some time after their Harrowing I guess. Just need permission from local Chantries.
Yes I got that impression too. There are a lot of mages in the game who move about pretty freely. If you try to run away before the harrowing the templars are sent after you but after I guess you would need permission from Irving and/or templar commander.and could go out and see the world or move to another place.
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 10:44
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I guess it depends on Mage Hawke's age when he starts out, then. Because if he's a young teenager, it's likely that he'd be at the Circle, still studying to become a Harrowed Mage. Since the game takes place over a ten year period, there's some speculation about how old Hawke will be when he flees Lothering. So if he is that young, my guess is that he's never been to the Circle because they wouldn't let a young mage out till he's gone through his Harrowing. And if that's the case, then that makes him an apostate.
