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[Marbazoid]

She does seem genuinely angry if you decide to fight her, so destroying her body must be a definite inconvenience.



I'm convinced that flemeth is an old god herself, and the dark ritual is merely a plan to free one of her own kind. Not sure why she needs to keep possessing bodies though, maybe its the only way the old gods can stay taint-free or something.

[Loc'n'lol]

If it gives xp, you must kill it.
Generally, I've had two approaches, depending on the warden involved.
-Accept Flemeth's offer, leave without a fight, lie to Morrigan and let her deal with the consequences later. that is to say, don't get involved, not my problem, I'll take the powerful robes, though. That's also the only way to do it at lower levels.
-Kill her (even if only a temporary thing) because everyone else would probably be better off without the risk she represents.

I've never cared much for Morrigan, though : I still gotta do a full playthrough where my warden actually cares for her and does not just bribe her with gifts, so no matter what I'm not doing it for her sake.

I can't really think of what Flemeth is really up to. It seems her actions have some sort of purpose, but whether that purpose is ultimately selfish or not will likely stay a mystery.

Modifié par _Loc_N_lol_, 05 août 2010 - 11:42 .

[atheelogos]

Dtelm wrote...

I guess more of what I'm asking is what do you think Flemeth's role in Dragon Age 2 will be?

Flemeth will almost certainly be a squadmate. And I say kill her. Morrigan needs help.

[Behindyounow]

atheelogos wrote...

Dtelm wrote...

I guess more of what I'm asking is what do you think Flemeth's role in Dragon Age 2 will be?

Flemeth will almost certainly be a squadmate. And I say kill her. Morrigan needs help.

She doesn't deserve it though.

[iTomes]

atheelogos wrote...

Dtelm wrote...

I guess more of what I'm asking is what do you think Flemeth's role in Dragon Age 2 will be?

Flemeth will almost certainly be a squadmate. And I say kill her. Morrigan needs help.

psh, if morrigan gets overtaken, its just what she deserves.

[Chanegade]

Marbazoid wrote....

I'm convinced that flemeth is an old god herself, and the dark ritual is merely a plan to free one of her own kind. Not sure why she needs to keep possessing bodies though, maybe its the only way the old gods can stay taint-free or something.

If she really is an old god, why did she warn the wardens and Maric a blight is comming? 

[iTomes]

Chanegade wrote...

Marbazoid wrote....

I'm convinced that flemeth is an old god herself, and the dark ritual is merely a plan to free one of her own kind. Not sure why she needs to keep possessing bodies though, maybe its the only way the old gods can stay taint-free or something.

If she really is an old god, why did she warn the wardens and Maric a blight is comming? 

why not?

[FiliusMartis]

Chanegade wrote...

Marbazoid wrote....

I'm convinced that flemeth is an old god herself, and the dark ritual is merely a plan to free one of her own kind. Not sure why she needs to keep possessing bodies though, maybe its the only way the old gods can stay taint-free or something.

If she really is an old god, why did she warn the wardens and Maric a blight is comming? 

Being tainted and turned into an archdemon may not be something an old god desires or benefits from.  We know they call the darkspawn to release them, but it's possible that they don't know they will be tainted when the darkspawn touch them or each one thinks he/she knows how to avoid that taint.  The codex on Urthemiel describes him as "a maddened husk of his former self, filled with nothing but a desire to destroy all life."

Also take into account that a high dragon lives for more than a thousand years, and these are the vessels that the Tevinter Imperium ascribed to the old gods. Also important to remember, Flemeth changes into a high dragon. Of course, it's open to debate and interpretation whether or not the old gods true form is a dragon or if that's how they manifest because of the darkspawn.

As of now, there are two gods unaccounted for, Lusacan the god of night and Razikale the god of mystery. 

The lore of Thedas seems to go with an idea of the immortal, if not indestructible, soul.  Even a warden who dies killing the archdemon is said to have 'moved on to a better place.'  This leads me to wonder if the essence of an old god can ever be completely obliterated, but that's beside the point here, I suppose.

[AlexXIV]

Dtelm wrote...

Whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer...

Anyway.
Here's my dilemnia. I've been doing another playthrough of DA: Origins and DA: Awakening that I plan to use for Dragon Age II.

I can't seem to decide whether or not I want to kill Flemeth. On one hand, Morrigan is in the wardens pocket, to some extent. His interests are alot better off with a witch of the wilds that is in love with him running around with a demon baby, than Flemeth, let alone TWO witches of the wilds running about. Not to mention if flemeth takes possession of Morrigan and through her the child.

On the other hand, Flemeth, for all her deception, seems benevolent enough for a spirit-creature/witch. She did save the wardens life, albeit, probably for selfish reasons But then again leaving Flemeth alive is just another loose end. Oh how I despise loose ends. 

I know Flemeth is returning in DA II. I know she is to some extent a force for change in the world of thedas. But it comes down to what sort of change? Whats everyones take on the infamous witch of the wilds, and what did you do to her? 

Well if you look at your companions reaction, I think Wynne and Leliana would rather have you kill Flemeth. On the other hand you gain nothing by it. Flemeth won't go after Morrigan, I don't even think it was her plan to use her as a vessel.

Just remember, if you tell Flemeth that you found out how she prolonges her unnatural lifespan, her answer is somthing along: 'I am sure Morrigan knows how, but do you? Which hints that Morrigan might have lied to you about it. Shale also mentions in some conversation that only Morrigan can read the Grimoire, so only she really knows what is written there. You can only guess.

So bottomline, she saved your life, she gave you Morrigan to help you, and she even gives you what you came for without fight. I am not saying what you should do, but I think it is pretty clear what is the 'noble' thing to do if you are looking for that. The only reason to kill her would be because Morrigan told you so. And then it won't change anything so it is a sort of worthless effort anyway. Unless you want to kill her for fame and glory.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 05 août 2010 - 06:01 .

[Daerog]

AlexXIV wrote...
Well if you look at your companions reaction, I think Wynne and Leliana would rather have you kill Flemeth. On the other hand you gain nothing by it. Flemeth won't go after Morrigan, I don't even think it was her plan to use her as a vessel.

Just remember, if you tell Flemeth that you found out how she prolonges her unnatural lifespan, her answer is somthing along: 'I am sure Morrigan knows how, but do you? Which hints that Morrigan might have lied to you about it. Shale also mentions in some conversation that only Morrigan can read the Grimoire, so only she really knows what is written there. You can only guess.

So bottomline, she saved your life, she gave you Morrigan to help you, and she even gives you what you came for without fight. I am not saying what you should do, but I think it is pretty clear what is the 'noble' thing to do if you are looking for that. The only reason to kill her would be because Morrigan told you so. And then it won't change anything so it is a sort of worthless effort anyway. Unless you want to kill her for fame and glory.

True, although the robes you find for Morrigan in the chest give evidence to Morrigan's side. It seems clear from those that Morrigan was planned as a vessel, less Willpower to resist Flemeth and all.

[ShadyKat]

It doesn't matter really since even Morrigan said she will still come back. Killing Flemeth is just a mild annoyance to her from what it sounds like.

[ShadyKat]

iTomes wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Dtelm wrote...

I guess more of what I'm asking is what do you think Flemeth's role in Dragon Age 2 will be?

Flemeth will almost certainly be a squadmate. And I say kill her. Morrigan needs help.

psh, if morrigan gets overtaken, its just what she deserves.

People seem to want to make Morrigan out to be some kind of angel, when she has done her fair share of evil deeds as well. And only the maker knows what she is planning with the whole "God Baby" thing. For all we know Morrigan is a bigger threat to the world then Flemeth.

[AlexXIV]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
Well if you look at your companions reaction, I think Wynne and Leliana would rather have you kill Flemeth. On the other hand you gain nothing by it. Flemeth won't go after Morrigan, I don't even think it was her plan to use her as a vessel.

Just remember, if you tell Flemeth that you found out how she prolonges her unnatural lifespan, her answer is somthing along: 'I am sure Morrigan knows how, but do you? Which hints that Morrigan might have lied to you about it. Shale also mentions in some conversation that only Morrigan can read the Grimoire, so only she really knows what is written there. You can only guess.

So bottomline, she saved your life, she gave you Morrigan to help you, and she even gives you what you came for without fight. I am not saying what you should do, but I think it is pretty clear what is the 'noble' thing to do if you are looking for that. The only reason to kill her would be because Morrigan told you so. And then it won't change anything so it is a sort of worthless effort anyway. Unless you want to kill her for fame and glory.

True, although the robes you find for Morrigan in the chest give evidence to Morrigan's side. It seems clear from those that Morrigan was planned as a vessel, less Willpower to resist Flemeth and all.

I never saw the new robes as anything but an upgrade to Morrigan's old robes.

[UberDuber]

Flemeth is as good as dead in my playthough if your allowed to kill her that is, which you better bloody be! I hope she didnt take over Morrigan body then I would be sad *sob*



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[LobselVith8]

I trust Morrigan. She's pragmatic, true, but she doesn't lie to you. She does keep things to herself (as does Alistair, Leliana, Sten, ect.) In scenes cut from the game (although I believe it's due to a bug rather than intentionally cut), Morrigan actually leaves if you admit that you didn't kill Flemeth because she needs to find a way to defend herself against losing her body to Flemeth.

[Red Komet]

A fitting way to kill flemeth is to unequip her armor and weapon and then kill her

[Daerog]

AlexXIV wrote...

I never saw the new robes as anything but an upgrade to Morrigan's old robes.

With a -2 to Willpower? No, that's for lore reasons. Read the description on the Robes of Possession next time. Makes it very likely that Flemeth would possess Morrigan had you not stopped her.

[Joshd21]

Whoa dude!

There's no reason just to kill her because shes old. I mean it is TEMPTING look are Morrgians smooth supply body compared to her mothers and reason is clear why u'd jump backwards for Morrgian. But do what you gotta do

[Danjaru]

I was unsure wether to kill her or not. Then I realized that she'd give me 200 exp, so I killed her. And what could make your character even more epic than also defeating the 1000 year old witch as well as the arch demon?

[NugWrangler]

I think it will depend on how she is revealed to Hawk. To the warden she was a diabolical abomination, but Hawk knows none of this. From his/her perspective there may be no reason to see her as a threat. But, even given what I know about Flemeth I probably wouldn't kill her. Though she has her own motives and is a dangerous person, her actions in DAO benefited Fereldan. It seems like the only people who really get hurt by her are those who challenge her or are being raised as replacement bodies. Plenty of other characters did far worse yet letting them live could be justified for the greater good.

[SirOccam]

atheelogos wrote...

Dtelm wrote...

I guess more of what I'm asking is what do you think Flemeth's role in Dragon Age 2 will be?

Flemeth will almost certainly be a squadmate. And I say kill her. Morrigan needs help.

I disagree. If she is "killed" in DAO, they would need to reflect that in DA2, and it seems like that would just be a big hassle. I think she'll play the same role she did in DAO: she gets the heroes out of a tight spot (Ishal in DAO; Darkspawn attack outside Lothering in DA2), then manipulates or otherwise influences them before the adventure truly gets underway.

[Bobad]

Hmm, well I think it very much depends on the definition of killed when applied to a being that is purportedly immortal.

[Red Komet]

Red Komet wrote...

A fitting way to kill flemeth is to unequip her armor and weapon and then kill her

you should realy try this

[rhautanen]

Flemeth is a big, juicy piniata full of XP. To kill or not to kill is not a question.

If it gives xp, you must kill it.

I used to think like that. Then I discovered elfroots;) All kidding aside, I usually take Flemeth out if I have a good (or better) relationship with Morrigan. Otherwise not.

[DarkAngelJessi]

Morrigan is not sociable that is true but once you get to know her it's how flemeth raised her on many of my characters before you look for her on witch hunt she apologizes and admits she cares for you and others i think Flemeth is darker then a old god and i always save morrigan no one deserves to be a puppet of another lol

Modifié par DarkAngelJessi, 15 janvier 2011 - 06:58 .