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[KidMiracleman]

I have BBQ pork ribs corn on the cob and salad. no wine though. Sorry



Thank you very much for the build suggestion. I love it thank you. I did not know you got saves for having spellcraft.

[HipMaestro]

KidMiracleman wrote...

Thank you very much for the build suggestion. I love it thank you. I did not know you got saves for having spellcraft.

Too bad Kamiryn's Calculator never adjusted for subraces or it would more handy to use.  And of course, one needs Excel installed on the machine to use it.  It's not all that tough to make the additional adjustments to what the spreadsheet produces for the subrace enhancements, but some of the perks (like the progression chart) won't be quite accurate. 

Now...to get recommendations from the true experts, the vets who have been building since the game's inception, the ECB regulars, you may be able to bleed their expertise if you provide the build EXACTLY in a form they can diagnose even with the subrace undertone.  Dunno.  Maybe. Depends on their mood, I guess:?

Anyways... it's all just for fun so enjoy your experience in any manner you like.

Spellcraft

Hip

[avado]

KidMiracleman wrote...
And you wonder why more people do not want to play.  Your attitude sucks.  You drive people away with your superiority. 

LOL  Its been awhile since someone said that to me!  THANKS MAN!  Superior? no.  Just been around and discussed with people with WAY more experience than I ever hoped to have.  Been there, done that, got the tshirt is a huge understatement    But i dont have an ego, NOT I!!! 

Why do more people not play?  No idea!  I guess others arent as edumicated as we all are!! 

On a serious note, nwn does not need you, me, nor anyone to defend its honor!  Take a look at the community (oh wait!  THey destroyed that  )  and that is the best support anyone could ever give.  

My entire point was to give ALL possible info that you can give IF you ask for build advice.  Like i said, if you dont, we ASSUME you play normal nwn (which is totally reasonable in a nwn forum).   For future reference, the things that matter are any race changes and class changes.  Weapons, items, etc are not at all necessary as a build that is good with mundane gear will be better with gear. 

the 15 charisma is beyond me though.  You say its the minimum?  bard MUST have 11 at birth.  +2 subrace is 13.  You dont need to take 13 to start, but you WILL have 13 with the +2 from subrace.

[HipMaestro]

avado wrote...
the 15 charisma is beyond me though.  You say its the minimum?  bard MUST have 11 at birth.  +2 subrace is 13.  You dont need to take 13 to start, but you WILL have 13 with the +2 from subrace.

Yeah.  I got caught by this as well, avado.  Never tried playing a dwarven bard but assumed the -2 Cha racial would offset the bard starting Cha (to 9).  I see now that the class bias always takes precedence.  That means the dwarf has points automatically alloted to bring Cha up to that hard 11 level.  Seems like a waste of ability points but may explain why I never see mobs of dwarven bards running around.

Now apply that +2 Cha at RDD 10 to the starting 13 and, yes, the minimum for this build is 15.  A pity.

[avado]

HipMaestro wrote...

Now apply that +2 Cha at RDD 10 to the starting 13 and, yes, the minimum for this build is 15.  A pity.

AH right  the PRC curse  !  +2 race +2 rdd!  Its cuz the race is added AFTER creation    That has always been an issue with nwn PRC stuff.  

[KidMiracleman]

now I am wondering if a half blue dragon monk druid ranger might be a better idea

[HipMaestro]

Use The_Krit's brand new search tool to find recommended builds. Just plug in the classes, select the number of levels and review in your leisure. Whichever one you consider, you will need to add your subclass modifications at the beginning and keep track of the ability tally throughout the progression yourself since it will likely affect which feats will be available. Use the other stats described in the build like AB, AC, saves, etc. as a baseline until you figure out how the subclass alters the numbers.

[avado]

KidMiracleman wrote...

now I am wondering if a half blue dragon monk druid ranger might be a better idea

Honestly, WHAT are you looking for?  A defender is a melee heavy build.  What do you want out of a druid/ranger/monk?  Dragon shape?  Druids are either casters OR shifters.  Druid is a terrible class for melee outside of shapes.   Also, with 3 base classes you have to consider xp penalties.  And really, ranger druid require substantial investment in each class to make them worth taking in a build (cept for some RARE instances where people use ranger1 in epic to fill out an extra epic feat).

Like Hip says, take a look through the epic builds and see what you like. THEN modify it to fit.  But first, like I always tell people, you MUST know what you want out of a build FIRST in order to plan it correctly.  

[qaerinju]

avado wrote...

Druid is a terrible class for melee outside of shapes.   

On the contrary, 1 Druid level is a perfectly good option if you intend to fight outdoors a lot...

[KidMiracleman]

there are some 29 and under areas with alot of time stop also alot of electrical and fire spells. I would want it for the greater air elemental shape and the dragon shape. I figure a half blue dragon that took the shape of a red dragon will be immune to both fire and electrical. That was what I was thinking. Thank you for the web page,.

[KidMiracleman]

weird I could not find any barbarian dwarven defender rogue builds

[HipMaestro]

KidMiracleman wrote...

weird I could not find any barbarian dwarven defender rogue builds

Not that weird if you think about it.

Besides the obvious alignment changes, there's likely to be a stiff XP penalty with rogue skill dumps for a dwarf, if that was what you were considering.  The combination of both these liabilities contributes to what could be perceived as off-the-wall by many builders.  As you may have noticed, there was only one Brb/DwD build posted and even that was an experiment. 

But, hey!

You could be the first to develop something usable.  Give it a shot!

As others have already intimated, your first step in developing any build is to clearly define what you want to achieve. Once you do that, it will be MUCH easier to glean some guidance by the community.

P.S. BTW, you need not complicate the build with a subrace to gain the immunities you want.  Dragon Shape offers 3 forms, each with it's own immunity (fire, elect, acid).  Shifter wyrmlings are another way to deal with elemental damage.

Modifié par HipMaestro, 11 août 2010 - 02:06 .

[avado]

HipMaestro wrote...

As others have already intimated, your first step in developing any build is to clearly define what you want to achieve. Once you do that, it will be MUCH easier to glean some guidance by the community.

P.S. BTW, you need not complicate the build with a subrace to gain the immunities you want.  Dragon Shape offers 3 forms, each with it's own immunity (fire, elect, acid).  Shifter wyrmlings are another way to deal with elemental damage.

Thank god that you said it that way!  My wife says i tend to be alittle blunt!  Thanks Hip for reiterating "nicely"! 

[KidMiracleman]

I have made a barbarian dwarven defender rogue. What I was going for was a build with high HPs high DR and evasion. Have not really seen much if any xp penalty. So far I like the build.

[HipMaestro]

KidMiracleman wrote...
What I was going for was a build with high HPs high DR and evasion.  

Okay, now we are beginning to get somewhere.

I suggest you forgo the barb and substitute fighter. Why? Favored class for dwarf = fighter.

You will lose the DR stacking from barb, but really, who cares?  Barb DR is insignificant compared to DwD DR so that should be no issue.  Also there will be a HP drop, but again, what difference?  If you can build an epic character anywhere near 700 HPs and 27/- DR that should be plenty.

So, if you decided to follow my suggestion to explore Ftr/DwD/Rog builds, you would uncover at least grizz's Citadel build  which I choose as a sample because it concentrates mainly on Str and Con.  (You never mentioned a high BAB/AB requirement... I just assumed it.)

And there are several others worth considering equally effective depending on if you would like to dual-wield (& finesse) or how extensively you would like to develop your skill set (eg. UMD).

Understand.  It's not that a brb/dwd/rog build is bad. I just feel you are making it unnecessarily difficult for yourself and also somewhat limiting.  Obviously, if another unexpressed build requirement was Barb rage for example, fighter will not fit properly.  In that case, we would be back to Stage 1, "Defining Clear Objectives".  But the final choice is yours.  

Incidentally, in the brb/dwd/rog build, the moment the difference between your current Barbarian level and the Rogue level is greater than 1, there will automatically be an XP penalty imposed, whether you seem to notice it or not.  And you will continue to be penalized until they have been brought back into legal range.

Good luck in your search!

P.S.  For some reason, I am getting the impression that this is actually intended as a PvP build rather than PvM. In that case, I will be of little help since I do not PvP, not even a little bit. But there are others who play those servers and can help, I'm certain.

Modifié par HipMaestro, 12 août 2010 - 01:13 .

[Maximillian Kane]

Grizz's builds are awesome, but in this case I'd prefer a Fighter 11 DWD 26 Rogue 3. That to me is the most optimized spread because you can have WS and EWS while still retaining a BAB of 30.



Take it EZ!

[KidMiracleman]

Did not see any Bard Harper scout builds. I made one. Who is interested in seeing it?