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[BlackyBlack]

With Retribution, it turns out Udina is a member of the council which (sort of) establishes a canon. It might be solved in ME3 by stating that Anderson quit his job between ME2 and Retribution, but I've got a better idea.

BioWare has already said there'll be DLC set between ME2 and ME3, so I think they should do one with Anderson (similar to Liara's DLC). All that it would require to solve the "Retribution canon" problem is a single line change with Anderson (at the end of the DLC) that he wants to quit his job.

Modifié par BlackyBlack, 05 août 2010 - 12:00 .

[CroGamer002]

Wasn't there establish there is no canon?

[BlackyBlack]

Devs have multiple times stated that there's no canon (Chris Priestly in particular). With Retribution, it is said Udina is the councilor

[Zulu_DFA]

Think of it this way: The Councillor's office is not for life. Retribution takes place roughly 3 years after Shepard recommends ether Anderson of Udina for the job. And, say, half a year after Zomborg Shepard visits the Citadel during ME2 to see the person he had recommended in the office.



But shortly before Retribution opens up, the term in office of whoever Shepard had recommended expires, and the Alliance appoints Udina for the job, regardless of Shepard's earlier recommendation.



On another note: Anderson is now completely outta his ****ing mind, a traitor, and must get Kahoku treatment.

[didymos1120]

BlackyBlack wrote...

With Retribution, it turns out Udina is a member of the council which (sort of) establishes a canon. It might be solved in ME3 by stating that Anderson quit his job between ME2 and Retribution, but I've got a better idea.

BioWare has already said there'll be DLC set between ME2 and ME3, so I think they should do one with Anderson (similar to Liara's DLC). All that it would require to solve the "Retribution canon" problem is a single line change with Anderson (at the end of the DLC) that he wants to quit his job.

Better solution:  Udina, who was unhappier not being on the Council than Anderson was being on it, does his weaselly political voodoo to bring about a "no-confidence" situation that forces Anderson to step down. 

Why better? 

Because Anderson just up and quitting the council isn't really in his character.  He clearly hates it, but he'd feel duty-bound to keep going.  But if it got into a situation where he'd actually be causing problems due to a majority of Citadel and Alliance upper-echelon types, including the other Councilors, being no longer to willing to work with him as a Councilor (even if only for purely political reasons), then he'd be able to accept stepping down (not unlike him leaving the Normandy so soon after being put in command).  It's also something that reinforces the ongoing "political bullsh!t" theme and it's exactly the kind of thing Udina would very happily do.  

You then explain him still being in the Citadel world as being due to everyone trying to save face.  Udina wouldn't want to trash Anderson in the public eye.  He's one of humanity's heroes, and could be trouble if he was just outright humiliated and burned publically.  It would also reflect badly on the Council if they suddenly declare that he was unfit for the job and must be replaced.  So instead, all this is worked out backroom-style, Anderson "voluntarily" resigns his seat for whatever vague, uncontroversial reason, and he's given a prestigious, if lesser, Citadel post that just so happens to give him far fewer opportunities to cause serious trouble and has him answering to the newly-minted Councilor Udina.

Modifié par didymos1120, 05 août 2010 - 12:36 .

[DarthCaine]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

But shortly before Retribution opens up, the term in office of whoever Shepard had recommended expires, and the Alliance appoints Udina for the job, regardless of Shepard's earlier recommendation.

So, does that mean the other councilors were re-elected ? Or does it mean there won't be a "Ah yes, Reapers" dialogue choice for the Turian councilor in ME3 ?

[Zulu_DFA]

DarthCaine wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

But shortly before Retribution opens up, the term in office of whoever Shepard had recommended expires, and the Alliance appoints Udina for the job, regardless of Shepard's earlier recommendation.

So, does that mean the other councilors were re-elected ? Or does it mean there won't be a "Ah yes, Reapers" dialogue choice for the Turian councilor in ME3?

How other species' representatives get on the Council I have no slightest idea about and that's not relevant. What is relevant and 100% clear is that the Human Councillors are appointed by the Systems Alliance authorities.

And you seem to be forgetting that "Pesky" the Turian Councillor died in the explosion of the Destiny Ascension in the default story.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 05 août 2010 - 12:59 .

[Jimmie_Rox]

As long as they give me the option to shoot Udina I'll be happy. I hate him, he's a ******, and a really really annoying ****** at that. In fact he's the most irratating character in ME1 and ME2, far more annoying IMO than Mr Finger Quotes. One of my favourite bits is when Anderson chins him. I love that bit xD

[faeriehunter]

Retribution spoilers warning.

Anderson ends up quitting his job in Retribution. In order to deal a hopefully fatal blow to Cerberus, Anderson makes a deal with the turians, going behind the Alliance's back to avoid tipping Cerberus off. As part of the deal, he gives the turians authority to arrest human suspects, many of them in Alliance space. As a result of the political fallout from this abuse of authority Anderson has to quit, which he knew beforehand.

Since these events work whether or not Anderson was made Council member I find it likely that these events will be canon in ME3, making Udina Council member if he wasn't before.

As for the "Retribution canon", there is only one line that says Udina is a Council member. Since the rest of the book does a good job at keeping in-game choices ambiguous I suspect that that one line is an editing oversight. In any case I found it easy to ignore.

[dreman9999]

didymos1120 wrote...

BlackyBlack wrote...

With Retribution, it turns out Udina is a member of the council which (sort of) establishes a canon. It might be solved in ME3 by stating that Anderson quit his job between ME2 and Retribution, but I've got a better idea.

BioWare has already said there'll be DLC set between ME2 and ME3, so I think they should do one with Anderson (similar to Liara's DLC). All that it would require to solve the "Retribution canon" problem is a single line change with Anderson (at the end of the DLC) that he wants to quit his job.

Better solution:  Udina, who was unhappier not being on the Council than Anderson was being on it, does his weaselly political voodoo to bring about a "no-confidence" situation that forces Anderson to step down. 

Why better? 

Because Anderson just up and quitting the council isn't really in his character.  He clearly hates it, but he'd feel duty-bound to keep going.  But if it got into a situation where he'd actually be causing problems due to a majority of Citadel and Alliance upper-echelon types, including the other Councilors, being no longer to willing to work with him as a Councilor (even if only for purely political reasons), then he'd be able to accept stepping down (not unlike him leaving the Normandy so soon after being put in command).  It's also something that reinforces the ongoing "political bullsh!t" theme and it's exactly the kind of thing Udina would very happily do.  

You then explain him still being in the Citadel world as being due to everyone trying to save face.  Udina wouldn't want to trash Anderson in the public eye.  He's one of humanity's heroes, and could be trouble if he was just outright humiliated and burned publically.  It would also reflect badly on the Council if they suddenly declare that he was unfit for the job and must be replaced.  So instead, all this is worked out backroom-style, Anderson "voluntarily" resigns his seat for whatever vague, uncontroversial reason, and he's given a prestigious, if lesser, Citadel post that just so happens to give him far fewer opportunities to cause serious trouble and has him answering to the newly-minted Councilor Udina.

Not true. If he sees something more important than what he is currently doing or offered he'll sacrific everthing for it. And taking down Cerberus was more important than his job like saving one woman was more important than becoming a spectre. You do have to take in mind that the Council was not listen to him no matter what andhe was litterly doing nothing as a counciler/Admeral. He's a person that would rather do something than nothing

[JockBuster]

Jimmie_Rox wrote...

As long as they give me the option to shoot Udina I'll be happy. I hate him, he's a ******, and a really really annoying ****** at that. In fact he's the most irratating character in ME1 and ME2, far more annoying IMO than Mr Finger Quotes. One of my favourite bits is when Anderson chins him. I love that bit xD

AGREED!

Confused tho, and no I have NOT read any of the books/comics etc, which is ACTUALLY the Mass Effect video game story? Just the 3 games + DLC, Fight Saren/Heritics, fight collectors then destroy the Reapers? Are the books, comics, etc actually a part of the main story or some kind of marketing thing to ride on the coattails to make $$.

[pvt_java]

I doubt Councillors are elected Zulu, I got the impression that the Turian, Asari, and Salarian Councilpersons had been on there for quite some time. They are more likely appointed without term limits.



That said, it's entirely plausible that Anderson could have retired from the council, considering it is mentioned that he prefers life in the military, and is disappointed that he's spending his twilight years as a politician.

[Dave of Canada]

I'd believe this whole "Councilor Anderson stepped down, Udina stood up" if it didn't completely nullify a few gamers (those who don't read the novels would be confused why Udina is councilor in ME3) and made Anderson into an Admiral.



Anderson, as councilor, quit the Alliance to focus completely on the political side of things. In the novel though, he's still with the Alliance as the game mentions when you've chosen Udina as Councilor.

[atheelogos]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'd believe this whole "Councilor Anderson stepped down, Udina stood up" if it didn't completely nullify a few gamers (those who don't read the novels would be confused why Udina is councilor in ME3)

Not really. They can just sum it up in a conversation like they did with the first book in ME1.

[majinstrings]

Mass Effect 3 Dialogue -

Commander Shepard: "Last time I saw you, you were on the Council. What the hell happened?"

David Anderson: "It wasn't for me."

Problem solved...