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[Umerai]

 Right, just to be clear, I HATE the idea of Hawke, I really do.
And this seems to be the general opinion.
Am i right in thinking it's a surname? So we can pick the first name but we have to have Hawke. I can get that, like Cousland, right?
Hawke can be male or female? Okay. Fine.
but my biggest problem is why BioWare would do this. Why take a good system (which needed a few improvements) and make it worse?
The ability to design your own character was one of the best bits of DA:O for me, why ruin it with this new system?
And, DA2 can't even be half done, right? So why does BioWare have this selective deafness on the huge dislike of Hawke, why don't they just say 'we heard you, no Hawke, you can design your own character,'

This would score them brownie points.

Your opinion?

[FiliusMartis]

Hawke is a surname. Aside from choosing race, Hawke is almost completely customizable to my understanding. You can choose his or her sex, class, first name, and customize the appearance, if I remember correctly.

[Bobad]

Only thing you don't get to choose is race, which is a biggie for some people, but I'm sure there will be mods for appearances brought out for PC gamers, although dialogue will without a doubt reflect Hawke to be human.

[Wittand25]

You could not design your own character in DA:O you could only pick one out of six.

Having a predefined background allows to tell a better story (hopefully). In DA they had to relay on a trick and use the Joining to remove the different social standings the characters had, from the point of Ostagar onwards the difference between the origins was mostly just flavour text. By having just human as origin Bioware can tell a story without having to relay on such a solution to explain why e.g. the Landsmeet is even ready to listen to some elf from the slums.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Yes it's a surname. Yes, Hudson Hawke or Lady Hawke. Why did they do it? Because it's their game and they apparently wanted to do it (though I doubt they will agree it's worse). Apart from species, you can still design your character as far as I know.



Any surname *you* can come up with, I guarantee someone else won't like it. I can't say I like Hawke either, but liking or disliking a name is subjective. I'm sure someone else will think it's suitably heroic and manly for their PC, and for the posterboy given to the media.



But seriously, a surname isn't going to make or break the game. Live with it.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Umerai wrote...

 Right, just to be clear, I HATE the idea of Hawke, I really do.
And this seems to be the general opinion.
Am i right in thinking it's a surname? So we can pick the first name but we have to have Hawke. I can get that, like Cousland, right?
Hawke can be male or female? Okay. Fine.
but my biggest problem is why BioWare would do this. Why take a good system (which needed a few improvements) and make it worse?
The ability to design your own character was one of the best bits of DA:O for me, why ruin it with this new system?
And, DA2 can't even be half done, right? So why does BioWare have this selective deafness on the huge dislike of Hawke, why don't they just say 'we heard you, no Hawke, you can design your own character,'

This would score them brownie points.

Your opinion?

Possibly the most naive thing I've ever read on these forums, and that's saying something. Yes, they should just listen to all the people complaining on their forums! Then, everyone will be happy! No one will ever complain about anything else, and will certainly not complain about the thing you just changed because of complaining.

[thenemesis77]

Man, it's like the noble human had the last name of Cousland. No matter what I could not change the last name of someone. I don't see the big deal. It's just a last name......didn't people call your Warden by the last name most of the time, I think they did.

[FiliusMartis]

Most people called the warden... Warden.

[Nerdage]

FiliusMartis wrote...

Most people called the warden... Warden.

Hmmm... Going around calling yourself "Hero" could come across as a bit pretentious.
I imagine you'll stop thinking so much about the name while you play, you'll just come to associate the name with your character, rather than having the name define your character as many people are fearing. That's what happend with me and "Shepard", and even what happened with "Warden" and "Commander" in DA(A).

Modifié par nerdage, 05 août 2010 - 02:37 .

[JamieCOTC]

I out right despise the name.

[Schuback]

I think I read or heard somewhere that the characters in DA2 rarely address you as Hawke anyway. So, I guess it's not a problem. I mean, it's funny to call someone by his/her surname. At least in my culture.

[Bobad]

The narrrative of the game is two people talking about the protagonists journey, for this a defined surname was required, as has been mentioned previously it may be a tad difficult to find one name that everyone loves.

[Johnson45]

Huge dislike? The reason it seems like there was such a backlash is because of the loud minority that was always the same members that would post there dislike whenever they could, there is no evidence that it's the general opinion.



They have their reasons for what they're doing, and they've answered this question already if I remember correctly. So I wouldn't call it selective deafness if they are answering.

[Khavos]

elektrego wrote...

As far as I understood it, taking away a few of the options for the character creation pre-game allows for a more detailed and more in-depth character development in-game.

No, it doesn't.  It lets them streamline their narrative, because they get to write for a very specific character.  You get to decide if you want the writers' character to play it angry or play it nice in a given scene, but ultimately you're just going to be giving direction to an actor rather than creating a character of your own. 

[WilliamShatner]

The fact that there's a surname isn't a problem. The fact that said surname is rubbish is the problem.

[Jarigan]

What's so hard to understand ? They have a story where the protagonist (you) rise to power in AFAIK a human society. Having that protagonist be an elf or a dwarf would not go at all with the DA universe. Those just wouldn't be accepted as the leader. Not even your world saving hero can become king or queen if it's not human.

[CarlSpackler]

Umerai wrote...

And, DA2 can't even be half done, right? So why does BioWare have this selective deafness on the huge dislike of Hawke, why don't they just say 'we heard you, no Hawke, you can design your own character,'

Your concern has been questioned by folks here numerous times since the announcement (along with other things some of us do not like - myself included.)  The folks at Bioware have answered some of why they are designing the game the way that they are. 

That being said, they are way too far along to even consider changing that design choice.  Hawke is integrated too tightly into the story, voice actors have been hired, and the game is set for a spring release.  Games that are less than a year away from release are generally in the final implemenatation of game systems and testing phase.  The decision to structure a story around hawke and the route they took, that had to come a long time ago.  Bioware is a story-telling focused company and this type of decision defines way too much of how rest of the game was designed. 

[Tooneyman]

I'm coming in before the shut down. Holla!@ the doom!

[Umerai]

Oh wow, looks like I ruffled some feathers. I apologise.



Erm, where to start?



The main focus of my question was just to discover some more about what kind of character I can play. I suppose that if I can still change what my character looks like, and his name, then I'm cool - it sounds like an interesting backstory!



I just said huge dislike because that was the first thing that came to my head. After looking over the forums, it seems that Hawke didn't go down all that well, I just went on that for my question.



I didn't set out to come across as naive - I have just never understood why game makers can't listen to their market sometimes. I should have realised that before I wrote it, BioWare isn't exactly the most market aware company, even if they do make awesome games!



Sorry for sparking something up, and thank you to everyone who answered!

[errant_knight]

They've made it clear that they expect to lose fans on this game with the large number of changes, expecting to gain enough new ones that it won't matter to the bottom line. For those that fear they will be in that number, I actually think the name is the least of it. Personally, the one origin and the name is something I can accept for the sake of telling a specific story. The other stuff...not so much. But I wouldn't expect anyone to care that anyone doesn't dislike anything, not in the slightest..

[Umerai]

And yes, I agree, it IS a rubbish surname.

[errant_knight]

Umerai wrote...

Oh wow, looks like I ruffled some feathers. I apologise.

Erm, where to start?

The main focus of my question was just to discover some more about what kind of character I can play. I suppose that if I can still change what my character looks like, and his name, then I'm cool - it sounds like an interesting backstory!

I just said huge dislike because that was the first thing that came to my head. After looking over the forums, it seems that Hawke didn't go down all that well, I just went on that for my question.

I didn't set out to come across as naive - I have just never understood why game makers can't listen to their market sometimes. I should have realised that before I wrote it, BioWare isn't exactly the most market aware company, even if they do make awesome games!

Sorry for sparking something up, and thank you to everyone who answered!

They listen to focus groups and interviewers, considering forum fans to be a vocal minority who don't represent their target market.

[CarlSpackler]

Umerai wrote...

Oh wow, looks like I ruffled some feathers. I apologise.

Erm, where to start?

The main focus of my question was just to discover some more about what kind of character I can play. I suppose that if I can still change what my character looks like, and his name, then I'm cool - it sounds like an interesting backstory!

I just said huge dislike because that was the first thing that came to my head. After looking over the forums, it seems that Hawke didn't go down all that well, I just went on that for my question.

I didn't set out to come across as naive - I have just never understood why game makers can't listen to their market sometimes. I should have realised that before I wrote it, BioWare isn't exactly the most market aware company, even if they do make awesome games!

Sorry for sparking something up, and thank you to everyone who answered!

No worries, you posted your earlier post politely, as well as your response.  Thats really all you can do around here.  Its just a little raw for some folks, a lot of people loved the DAO model (or other things about DAO they didn't want changed) and are upset about the new direction.  As I said, I've chimed in with things I don't like either, but its Bioware's game and they're going forward with the game they want to make.  I hope its great.