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[AlanC9]

You've got an aversion to traditional English names, Shat?

[Lux]

"Huge dislike" is rather debatable. I hugely dislike that the original storyline is being phased out but that doesn't mean I dislike the idea of Hawke. I'm interested as long as DA2 doesn't become a Mass Effect clone nor appears with game-breaking bugs a la Awakening.



They made a rational decision factoring what probably works better for a wider audience and what takes the less time and resources to do so. They're focused on this and probably working like crazy to make this happen within the allotted time. Given the circumstances, blunt comments like this will simply go one ear and out the other. C'est la vie...

[Valthier]

WilliamShatner wrote...

The fact that there's a surname isn't a problem. The fact that said surname is rubbish is the problem.

Yes! His surname might as well have been Steel or Badass or McCoolio. Cousland and Theirin and Loghain and Howe all have a kind of Celtic/fantasy/medieval feel to them, but Hawke is just... it's like what I've have called a "dark" original character if I was still like twelve. (Actually come to think of it I think I had one that was actually called Dark. Which still isn't too far off on the scale of "passable surname that still sound like they're trying too hard to be cool".)

I know they can't do anything about it now and I know it's snappy and all that but... yeesh.

[Itkovian]

Just a note: don't assume that because there are many threads about disliking Hawke that it must mean it is the general opinion.

This is a forum, and as such will inherently present a bias towards discontent. Or, if you prefer, more people will post about things that displease them, than things they are satisfied with.

Therefore, Hawke being disliked is not necessarily the general opinion. For example, I rather like the idea of a fully voiced PC, which can only be practical if the protagonist is restricted in some way (in this case, by race) as any extra choice can easily multiply the amount of V.O. work required.

It will definitely be a different experience to DAO, but that is not necessarily a bad thing.

Itkovian

[Itkovian]

Spear-Thrower wrote...

Valthier wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

The fact that there's a surname isn't a problem. The fact that said surname is rubbish is the problem.

Yes! His surname might as well have been Steel or Badass or McCoolio. Cousland and Theirin and Loghain and Howe all have a kind of Celtic/fantasy/medieval feel to them, but Hawke is just... it's like what I've have called a "dark" original character if I was still like twelve. (Actually come to think of it I think I had one that was actually called Dark. Which still isn't too far off on the scale of "passable surname that still sound like they're trying too hard to be cool".)

I know they can't do anything about it now and I know it's snappy and all that but... yeesh.

Huh? Hawke is a real surname. It's not something they've pulled out of their ass to impress 12 year olds.

Well, to be fair, given Ferelden's inspiration it should probably have been "Hafoc", but Hawke works.

Itkovian

[Stanley Woo]

Really? Why isn't BioWare changing a name I don't like? why are they ignoring people who keep saying they don't like the name? Well, besides the fact that we like the name (you'll have to decide for yourselves after you play the game whether you change your mind), aren't y'all the same fanbase that has accepted names like Elminster, Drizzt, Bilbo, Littlefinger, Belgarion, Pug/Milamber, Sadira, Haplo, Dresden, Cadderly, Tasslehoff, Gandalf, Cloud Strife, Geralt, a skull named Morte, even Cousland and Aeducan?



I have no doubt "Hawke" will cease to become an issue once people begin playing as him/her.

[Blumbum]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Really? Why isn't BioWare changing a name I don't like? why are they ignoring people who keep saying they don't like the name? Well, besides the fact that we like the name (you'll have to decide for yourselves after you play the game whether you change your mind), aren't y'all the same fanbase that has accepted names like Elminster, Drizzt, Bilbo, Littlefinger, Belgarion, Pug/Milamber, Sadira, Haplo, Dresden, Cadderly, Tasslehoff, Gandalf, Cloud Strife, Geralt, a skull named Morte, even Cousland and Aeducan?

I have no doubt "Hawke" will cease to become an issue once people begin playing as him/her.

"duuruhuurr lets copy Mass Effect, a respectable rpg turned to crap with mass effect 2, and copy the main hero into Dragon Age a completely different type of rpg. I'm sure once you play Shepar- Hawke you will love him."

Face it, when you go from a game where you can be 3 different races with 6 different backgrounds people are going to be pissed when you restrict them to a single race and background.

Modifié par Blumbum, 05 août 2010 - 05:00 .

[iTomes]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Really? Why isn't BioWare changing a name I don't like? why are they ignoring people who keep saying they don't like the name? Well, besides the fact that we like the name (you'll have to decide for yourselves after you play the game whether you change your mind), aren't y'all the same fanbase that has accepted names like Elminster, Drizzt, Bilbo, Littlefinger, Belgarion, Pug/Milamber, Sadira, Haplo, Dresden, Cadderly, Tasslehoff, Gandalf, Cloud Strife, Geralt, a skull named Morte, even Cousland and Aeducan?

I have no doubt "Hawke" will cease to become an issue once people begin playing as him/her.

this.

[haberman13]

Reality check: profits drive game production, games with more content and more customization (like DA:O) take years and years to produce and diminish profit.

"Streamlined" development ala DA2 and ME2 make for larger profits.

Get use to it, DA:O was an anomaly brought on by a long development cycle that began when games were good.

Modifié par haberman13, 05 août 2010 - 05:06 .

[Saibh]

Blumbum wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Really? Why isn't BioWare changing a name I don't like? why are they ignoring people who keep saying they don't like the name? Well, besides the fact that we like the name (you'll have to decide for yourselves after you play the game whether you change your mind), aren't y'all the same fanbase that has accepted names like Elminster, Drizzt, Bilbo, Littlefinger, Belgarion, Pug/Milamber, Sadira, Haplo, Dresden, Cadderly, Tasslehoff, Gandalf, Cloud Strife, Geralt, a skull named Morte, even Cousland and Aeducan?

I have no doubt "Hawke" will cease to become an issue once people begin playing as him/her.

"duuruhuurr lets copy Mass Effect, a respectable rpg turned to crap with mass effect 2, and copy the main hero into Dragon Age a completely different type of rpg. I'm sure once you play Shepar- Hawke you will love him."

Face it, when you go from a game where you can be 3 different races with 6 different backgrounds people are going to be pissed when you restrict them to a single race and background.

Face it, most of us don't care. Just you people who think of the forums as your personal whining tool. Check around, and despite what you may think about the dissenters being the majority, you are wrong.

[AlanC9]

Blumbum wrote...
"duuruhuurr lets copy Mass Effect, a respectable rpg turned to crap with mass effect 2, and copy the main hero into Dragon Age a completely different type of rpg. I'm sure once you play Shepar- Hawke you will love him."

I really wouldn't have played the "duuruhurr" gambit there. It only works when the poster has said something dumb, and it's spectacularly ineffective then the poster didn't say anything like your paraphrase of his argument.

[Blumbum]

Saibh wrote...

Blumbum wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Really? Why isn't BioWare changing a name I don't like? why are they ignoring people who keep saying they don't like the name? Well, besides the fact that we like the name (you'll have to decide for yourselves after you play the game whether you change your mind), aren't y'all the same fanbase that has accepted names like Elminster, Drizzt, Bilbo, Littlefinger, Belgarion, Pug/Milamber, Sadira, Haplo, Dresden, Cadderly, Tasslehoff, Gandalf, Cloud Strife, Geralt, a skull named Morte, even Cousland and Aeducan?

I have no doubt "Hawke" will cease to become an issue once people begin playing as him/her.

"duuruhuurr lets copy Mass Effect, a respectable rpg turned to crap with mass effect 2, and copy the main hero into Dragon Age a completely different type of rpg. I'm sure once you play Shepar- Hawke you will love him."

Face it, when you go from a game where you can be 3 different races with 6 different backgrounds people are going to be pissed when you restrict them to a single race and background.

Face it, most of us don't care. Just you people who think of the forums as your personal whining tool. Check around, and despite what you may think about the dissenters being the majority, you are wrong.

Because I said the majority are against it when? Exactly, I didn't. I said a lot are pissed because to them Hawke seems like a Shepard copy and they can't be an elf or dwarf, which is true.

Modifié par Blumbum, 05 août 2010 - 05:09 .

[haberman13]

Saibh wrote...

Blumbum wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Really? Why isn't BioWare changing a name I don't like? why are they ignoring people who keep saying they don't like the name? Well, besides the fact that we like the name (you'll have to decide for yourselves after you play the game whether you change your mind), aren't y'all the same fanbase that has accepted names like Elminster, Drizzt, Bilbo, Littlefinger, Belgarion, Pug/Milamber, Sadira, Haplo, Dresden, Cadderly, Tasslehoff, Gandalf, Cloud Strife, Geralt, a skull named Morte, even Cousland and Aeducan?

I have no doubt "Hawke" will cease to become an issue once people begin playing as him/her.

"duuruhuurr lets copy Mass Effect, a respectable rpg turned to crap with mass effect 2, and copy the main hero into Dragon Age a completely different type of rpg. I'm sure once you play Shepar- Hawke you will love him."

Face it, when you go from a game where you can be 3 different races with 6 different backgrounds people are going to be pissed when you restrict them to a single race and background.

Face it, most of us don't care. Just you people who think of the forums as your personal whining tool. Check around, and despite what you may think about the dissenters being the majority, you are wrong.

True, the majority doesn't care, and doesn't analyze games the way us "hardcore" gamers do.

The masses love Halo, so basically recognize DA:O for what it was: the last great game that will come out of Bioware for a long time.

[The Hardest Thing In The World]

Hah, I wonder if there are people over at the ME forums complaining about not being able to play any of the alien races. Just because it's a fantasy setting and you get people wanting to play a dwarf, elf, minotaur, etc. Playing human's just fine for me.

[haberman13]

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

Hah, I wonder if there are people over at the ME forums complaining about not being able to play any of the alien races. Just because it's a fantasy setting and you get people wanting to play a dwarf, elf, minotaur, etc. Playing human's just fine for me.

On the ME2 forums we complain about the game being neutered.

[Blumbum]

haberman13 wrote...

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

Hah, I wonder if there are people over at the ME forums complaining about not being able to play any of the alien races. Just because it's a fantasy setting and you get people wanting to play a dwarf, elf, minotaur, etc. Playing human's just fine for me.

On the ME2 forums we complain about the game being neutered.

This. I didn't even care about being strictly human in Mass Effect 1 because it had a good story and a good background on why you were human.

[Addai]

elektrego wrote...

In DA:O you choose one out of six "actors" before the game starts and then you "give directions" to your chosen "actor". Not much difference, really.

So not true.  For all that voice adds to a character in the opinion of some, to others having a persona imposed on our PC by a voice actor is a completely different game than Origins.

[Dave of Canada]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I have no doubt "Hawke" will cease to become an issue once people begin playing as him/her.

I'm only disliking "Hawke" because of all the joke names that can come out of it.

Moe Hawke.
Toma Hawke.
Ebon Hawke.
Mike Hawke.
York Hawke.
Nightelfmo Hawke.
Faux Hawke.

Ect.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 05 août 2010 - 05:23 .

[The Hardest Thing In The World]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Really? Why isn't BioWare changing a name I don't like? why are they ignoring people who keep saying they don't like the name? Well, besides the fact that we like the name (you'll have to decide for yourselves after you play the game whether you change your mind), aren't y'all the same fanbase that has accepted names like Elminster, Drizzt, Bilbo, Littlefinger, Belgarion, Pug/Milamber, Sadira, Haplo, Dresden, Cadderly, Tasslehoff, Gandalf, Cloud Strife, Geralt, a skull named Morte, even Cousland and Aeducan?

I have no doubt "Hawke" will cease to become an issue once people begin playing as him/her.

This guy has a point.

[Saibh]

haberman13 wrote...

True, the majority doesn't care, and doesn't analyze games the way us "hardcore" gamers do.

The masses love Halo, so basically recognize DA:O for what it was: the last great game that will come out of Bioware for a long time.

Stop calling yourself a "hardcore" gamer. You're not. You're just unpleasable, which isn't the same thing.

Blumbum wrote...

Because I said the majority are against it when? Exactly, I didn't. I said a lot are pissed because to them Hawke seems like a Shepard copy and they can't be an elf or dwarf, which is true.

Only the difference is, not as many people care as you think. People will buy the game anyway. Yeah, you had the choice before and now you don't. Most people have gotten over it. Some people are wistful about the choice, most have moved on. BioWare doesn't take notice of those who haven't because they don't need to, and it'd be a waste of energy. I'm sure they knew that not everyone would be pleased. That they'd lose some fans. It was a calculated risk.

[Blumbum]

Saibh wrote...

haberman13 wrote...

True, the majority doesn't care, and doesn't analyze games the way us "hardcore" gamers do.

The masses love Halo, so basically recognize DA:O for what it was: the last great game that will come out of Bioware for a long time.

Stop calling yourself a "hardcore" gamer. You're not. You're just unpleasable, which isn't the same thing.

Blumbum wrote...

Because I said the majority are against it when? Exactly, I didn't. I said a lot are pissed because to them Hawke seems like a Shepard copy and they can't be an elf or dwarf, which is true.

Only the difference is, not as many people care as you think. People will buy the game anyway. Yeah, you had the choice before and now you don't. Most people have gotten over it. Some people are wistful about the choice, most have moved on. BioWare doesn't take notice of those who haven't because they don't need to, and it'd be a waste of energy. I'm sure they knew that not everyone would be pleased. That they'd lose some fans. It was a calculated risk.

Yup, you're right. It's the same five people making hate threads since this forum has been released.

[Dave of Canada]

Just for curiosity.

Were you here when they announced Mass Effect?
Were you here when they launched Mass Effect?
Were you here when they announced Dragon Age?
Were you here when they released Dragon Age?
Were you here when they announced Mass Effect 2?
Were you here when they launched Mass Effect 2
Were you here when they announced Dragon Age: Awakening?
Were you here when they released Dragon Age: Awakening?

Every single one of them had equally vocal disgruntled patrons who were saying that the game would be a failure or that the series (sequels) was ruined forever but all became successful and well loved my the community, dragging more attention to Bioware. This isn't anything different, the crying will subside when more information comes out to pacify the people but pick back up when the game is launched and will forever remain.

Mass Effect 2 was a major success and I'm pretty sure all the people saying it's a horrible game, while having some negative thoughts on it (not a bad thing, everybody has them), are just trying to be extra vocal to view their displeasure.

You'll never see as much people going around praising the game and creating threads saying that the chances are wonderful, when somebody approves of something they don't feel the need to be extra vocal about it and will just try to blend into the crowd. Why would somebody show approval to Dragon Age 2 for example when half a dozen people would immediately join into the thread calling them a moron, a degenerate and such?

I've got problems with Dragon Age 2, I won't hide it. I'm scared by a lot of features but I won't create a major complaint thread or verbally abuse people who disagree with me because I don't know enough aobut the game to make any detailed judgement.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 05 août 2010 - 05:37 .

[WilliamShatner]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Really? Why isn't BioWare changing a name I don't like? why are they ignoring people who keep saying they don't like the name? Well, besides the fact that we like the name (you'll have to decide for yourselves after you play the game whether you change your mind), aren't y'all the same fanbase that has accepted names like Elminster, Drizzt, Bilbo, Littlefinger, Belgarion, Pug/Milamber, Sadira, Haplo, Dresden, Cadderly, Tasslehoff, Gandalf, Cloud Strife, Geralt, a skull named Morte, even Cousland and Aeducan?

I have no doubt "Hawke" will cease to become an issue once people begin playing as him/her.

We have to play the game to decide whether we like a name or not?  I think you're overreaching a bit there Mr. Woo.

The names you list sound like a wee bit of effort and imagination were put into them.  Hawke sounds like a 3:00am decision.  It's also a very blunt name and doesn't conjure a sense of wonder nor does it roll off the tongue.