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[AlexXIV]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Really? Why isn't BioWare changing a name I don't like? why are they ignoring people who keep saying they don't like the name? Well, besides the fact that we like the name (you'll have to decide for yourselves after you play the game whether you change your mind), aren't y'all the same fanbase that has accepted names like Elminster, Drizzt, Bilbo, Littlefinger, Belgarion, Pug/Milamber, Sadira, Haplo, Dresden, Cadderly, Tasslehoff, Gandalf, Cloud Strife, Geralt, a skull named Morte, even Cousland and Aeducan?

I have no doubt "Hawke" will cease to become an issue once people begin playing as him/her.

Tbh I never thought of any name being bad in any game or book or movie. But for some reason I also dislike Hawke. Maybe the way it is spelled, or pronounced or just the general dislike people seem to have towards it, I couldn't say. But what I don't understand at all is why the 'unknown hero that comes from nowhere and leaves to unknown regions after he is done' is not more popular to Bioware. The naming kinda disturbed me with DA:O already and in ME, well, Shepard is just a cool name.

Anyway, I just prefer if the hero does not have a name. Giving him or her a name always has a chance that some people dislike it. And I think Bioware really pulled a 'Hawke', that means they chose, of all possible names, one that the majority of people dislike. I realize that you are doing this because it makes it easier for conversation so the hero can be properly adressed, especially important with complete voiceover. But however, whether people accept the name in time or not, it was not a great choice.

[Blessed Silence]

Umerai wrote...

Oh wow, looks like I ruffled some feathers. I apologise.

Erm, where to start?

The main focus of my question was just to discover some more about what kind of character I can play. I suppose that if I can still change what my character looks like, and his name, then I'm cool - it sounds like an interesting backstory!

**From what I can tell through the small amount of interviews and info, you can choose gender, looks, specializations better for skills, how hawke came to power with situational choices that are to be more indepth and meaningful than in DA:O.
**

I just said huge dislike because that was the first thing that came to my head. After looking over the forums, it seems that Hawke didn't go down all that well, I just went on that for my question.

**I haven't seen any poll.  As another poster said, it is mainly a few very loud voices shouting they don't like it.  I personally do like Hawke and the idea they (apaprently) won't be saying it all the time.  Was annoying always hearing "Warden" every darn sentence.
**

I didn't set out to come across as naive - I have just never understood why game makers can't listen to their market sometimes. I should have realised that before I wrote it, BioWare isn't exactly the most market aware company, even if they do make awesome games!

**Er well, have YOU ever tried to make something that pleases EVERYONE?  It is impossible.  How does that saying go?  You can please some of the people some of the time, and all of the people none of the time?  I seriously wish people would understand that.**

Sorry for sparking something up, and thank you to everyone who answered!

Modifié par Blessed Silence, 05 août 2010 - 05:49 .

[LaurenOD]

When DA2 was first announced I was pretty irritated about the race thing. But the more I think about it the more ok I am with it- everything else about Hawke is customisable, and as long as you can make your important plot decisions then you can still make the character your own. If you look at the bigger picture that's still a damn sight better than most RPGs with their get quest-complete quest-get reward pattern.

I'm mourning the dialogue tree more than anything else.

For the moment I'm just trying really hard to withhold my judgement- and as a console gamer, if they've sorted out the combat system as promised, that's enough of a boon for me.

Hawke's not the best name in the world but it could be much worse. If I was funnier I'd insert an amusing alternative here.

[Fishy]

Umerai wrote...

 Right, just to be clear, I HATE the idea of Hawke, I really do.
And this seems to be the general opinion.
Am i right in thinking it's a surname? So we can pick the first name but we have to have Hawke. I can get that, like Cousland, right?
Hawke can be male or female? Okay. Fine.
but my biggest problem is why BioWare would do this. Why take a good system (which needed a few improvements) and make it worse?
The ability to design your own character was one of the best bits of DA:O for me, why ruin it with this new system?
And, DA2 can't even be half done, right? So why does BioWare have this selective deafness on the huge dislike of Hawke, why don't they just say 'we heard you, no Hawke, you can design your own character,'

This would score them brownie points.

Your opinion?

Why do you pretend that everyone hate Hawke?I love that name . I have no problem with that name.It's always the same people hating over that name that post on this forum or other forum.It's like that kid who want a chocolate bar at the grocery.He will cry , yell until you hear him .

Yes every know about your feeling but you're just giving everyone a headache and most ppl will ignore you.

[Fishy]

From my perspective it's a great idea.i have no problem to play a predefined character unless they don't give me any choice..

I am predefined also in life.My appearance,my surname and hell even my firstname and the size of my brocoli.
It's wil lgive depth to my character.In dragon age origin it's was always about other.Outside of..

Oh you're a Dwarf
Oh you're a Cousland
Oh you're from the slum..

You had no past .. You was just a tool to push the discussion further.

Modifié par Suprez30, 05 août 2010 - 06:32 .

[Bryy_Miller]

errant_knight wrote...

Umerai wrote...

Oh wow, looks like I ruffled some feathers. I apologise.

Erm, where to start?

The main focus of my question was just to discover some more about what kind of character I can play. I suppose that if I can still change what my character looks like, and his name, then I'm cool - it sounds like an interesting backstory!

I just said huge dislike because that was the first thing that came to my head. After looking over the forums, it seems that Hawke didn't go down all that well, I just went on that for my question.

I didn't set out to come across as naive - I have just never understood why game makers can't listen to their market sometimes. I should have realised that before I wrote it, BioWare isn't exactly the most market aware company, even if they do make awesome games!

Sorry for sparking something up, and thank you to everyone who answered!

They listen to focus groups and interviewers, considering forum fans to be a vocal minority who don't represent their target market.

Would you listen to a bunch of whiners, too? I'm sure they take the valid criticism to heart.

[MyKingdomCold]

I might be wrong, but I don't think hardcore gamers care too much about a character's name.

[Behindyounow]

Also, Hawke is a real name. Just so TC knows.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Just something i don't understand:

How I could just kill a man?



(could not resist, also late)

[MyKingdomCold]

Also, looking back at DAO for me at least there wasn't as much difference between the choices.



Yes, there were 3 different races, but aside from appearance the differences were negligible. It's not like the races had distinct specific abilities or anything that set them apart from one another.

[aries1001]

I think one of the posters did make a poll about how us hardcore fans felt about the game, DA2. And as I can remember the results, most os us hardcore either were in a wait and see attitude or liked the way the game looked or shaped up to be.



As for Hawke, Hawke is a real surname (last name), just think of the Ethan Hawke, the actor...

[Daerog]

Hawke being human is tied to the story. If not the major plot, then because of his sister, why they chose to have a sibling be part of the major story has yet to be fully understood. So, no problem with 1 fantasy game having a human only option.

I have absolutely no problem at all with Hawke. People can make silly names with it. Ya, you can call your noble Cous Cousland. It is an animal name. Nothing wrong with the birds of prey, hawks are pretty neat animals. It is uncreative. As are many last names; hating Hawke for his last name is like hating all the Smiths and Johnsons in the world (naming yourself after your profession or parentage, eh? Ya, the community isn't going to like that!).

Woo is right that people on the forums will stop caring about the name just like people stopped openly hating Shepard and Cousland on the forums.

The only thing that has yet struck me as odd in this game is the wheel, I would prefer it just made into a list with paraphrases and a voice, as I don't know why it has to be a wheel. Creative in ME, odd in DA. Name, just fine, Human only, just fine.

[KennethAFTopp]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Really? Why isn't BioWare changing a name I don't like? why are they ignoring people who keep saying they don't like the name? Well, besides the fact that we like the name (you'll have to decide for yourselves after you play the game whether you change your mind), aren't y'all the same fanbase that has accepted names like Elminster, Drizzt, Bilbo, Littlefinger, Belgarion, Pug/Milamber, Sadira, Haplo, Dresden, Cadderly, Tasslehoff, Gandalf, Cloud Strife, Geralt, a skull named Morte, even Cousland and Aeducan?

I have no doubt "Hawke" will cease to become an issue once people begin playing as him/her.

Whiskeyjack.

[Bryy_Miller]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Really? Why isn't BioWare changing a name I don't like? why are they ignoring people who keep saying they don't like the name? Well, besides the fact that we like the name (you'll have to decide for yourselves after you play the game whether you change your mind), aren't y'all the same fanbase that has accepted names like Elminster, Drizzt, Bilbo, Littlefinger, Belgarion, Pug/Milamber, Sadira, Haplo, Dresden, Cadderly, Tasslehoff, Gandalf, Cloud Strife, Geralt, a skull named Morte, even Cousland and Aeducan?

I have no doubt "Hawke" will cease to become an issue once people begin playing as him/her.

We have to play the game to decide whether we like a name or not?  I think you're overreaching a bit there Mr. Woo.

If you really want to take it as that....

[Behindyounow]

A real fantasy name is something like Zameraxsorius the Wizard slayer. Clearly if a name isn't that hardcore then it isn't fit for Fantasy.

[Legbiter]

Meh, it could have been worse. It's at least better than Shepard.

[Bryy_Miller]

filaminstrel wrote...

So much elitism in this thread... just because I don't share in your dislike of the name doesn't mean I'm a f***ing 12 year old or someone who should go back to playing Halo because I obviously can't appreciate a good RPG like a real hardcore gamer can. How about you dislike it in a way that doesn't involve s****ing all over the people who disagree with you?

Because some people think that having an opinion means that you can say whatever you want without fear of being replied to.

[The Console Version is good]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Really? Why isn't BioWare changing a name I don't like? why are they ignoring people who keep saying they don't like the name? Well, besides the fact that we like the name (you'll have to decide for yourselves after you play the game whether you change your mind), aren't y'all the same fanbase that has accepted names like Elminster, Drizzt, Bilbo, Littlefinger, Belgarion, Pug/Milamber, Sadira, Haplo, Dresden, Cadderly, Tasslehoff, Gandalf, Cloud Strife, Geralt, a skull named Morte, even Cousland and Aeducan?

I have no doubt "Hawke" will cease to become an issue once people begin playing as him/her.

Cousland and Aeducan were actually pretty wicked awesome names, I think the reason people do not like Hawk is because to be honest it sounds real cliche. It also sounds like the main character of a bad 80s movie.

I have no problem with the name though I am just letting you know why I think Hawke is not as good a name as the other names you guys have come up with.

[Stanley Woo]

The Console Version is good wrote...
Cousland and Aeducan were actually pretty wicked awesome names, I think the reason people do not like Hawk is because to be honest it sounds real cliche. It also sounds like the main character of a bad 80s movie.

I have no problem with the name though I am just letting you know why I think Hawke is not as good a name as the other names you guys have come up with.

And that's fine. Everyone's got differetn tastes and backgrounds and influences, so they'll like different names. I'm more responding to those who believe that:

a) Hawke is somehow less creative or a worse name than any other we could give tothe character;
the name Hawke automatically ruins the game;
c) OMG why are you destroying my hopes and dreams, BioWare? Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

Yeah, those kinds of people. Personally, I believe that if fantasy fans can practically worship a dude named "Drizzt" or "Sephiroth," the name "Hawke" isn't that much of a burden, lol. and really, "Cloud Strife?" come on!

[Blumbum]

Stanley Woo wrote...

The Console Version is good wrote...
Cousland and Aeducan were actually pretty wicked awesome names, I think the reason people do not like Hawk is because to be honest it sounds real cliche. It also sounds like the main character of a bad 80s movie.

I have no problem with the name though I am just letting you know why I think Hawke is not as good a name as the other names you guys have come up with.

And that's fine. Everyone's got differetn tastes and backgrounds and influences, so they'll like different names. I'm more responding to those who believe that:

a) Hawke is somehow less creative or a worse name than any other we could give tothe character;
the name Hawke automatically ruins the game;
c) OMG why are you destroying my hopes and dreams, BioWare? Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

Yeah, those kinds of people. Personally, I believe that if fantasy fans can practically worship a dude named "Drizzt" or "Sephiroth," the name "Hawke" isn't that much of a burden, lol. and really, "Cloud Strife?" come on!

There's a difference between fantasy fans and Japanese fantasy fans.

[DarthCaine]

I support Guybrush Threepwood as the protagonist's name !

[Sable Rhapsody]

Blumbum wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

The Console Version is good wrote...
Cousland and Aeducan were actually pretty wicked awesome names, I think the reason people do not like Hawk is because to be honest it sounds real cliche. It also sounds like the main character of a bad 80s movie.

I have no problem with the name though I am just letting you know why I think Hawke is not as good a name as the other names you guys have come up with.

And that's fine. Everyone's got differetn tastes and backgrounds and influences, so they'll like different names. I'm more responding to those who believe that:

a) Hawke is somehow less creative or a worse name than any other we could give tothe character;
the name Hawke automatically ruins the game;
c) OMG why are you destroying my hopes and dreams, BioWare? Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

Yeah, those kinds of people. Personally, I believe that if fantasy fans can practically worship a dude named "Drizzt" or "Sephiroth," the name "Hawke" isn't that much of a burden, lol. and really, "Cloud Strife?" come on!

There's a difference between fantasy fans and Japanese fantasy fans.

And funnily enough, the two are not different species of human being or mutually exclusive.  As far as sheer ridiculosity of both name and style is concerned, the traditional Western high fantasy setting of Forgotten Realms D&D can be just as full of silly as any JRPG.