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[Dave of Canada]

Blessed Silence wrote...

I guess I am in the minority then as I enjoyed ME and ME2 immensely.

You aren't in the minority, you're just in hostile enemy territory where anybody with a different opinion is a degenerate and should be shot on sight. It'll calm down in a month or two.

[Bryy_Miller]

Oh, oh, Dave. Poor, poor, naive Dave. That is where I think you are wrong.

[Blessed Silence]

Stanley Woo wrote...

The Console Version is good wrote...
Cousland and Aeducan were actually pretty wicked awesome names, I think the reason people do not like Hawk is because to be honest it sounds real cliche. It also sounds like the main character of a bad 80s movie.

I have no problem with the name though I am just letting you know why I think Hawke is not as good a name as the other names you guys have come up with.

And that's fine. Everyone's got differetn tastes and backgrounds and influences, so they'll like different names. I'm more responding to those who believe that:

a) Hawke is somehow less creative or a worse name than any other we could give tothe character;
the name Hawke automatically ruins the game;
c) OMG why are you destroying my hopes and dreams, BioWare? Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

Yeah, those kinds of people. Personally, I believe that if fantasy fans can practically worship a dude named "Drizzt" or "Sephiroth," the name "Hawke" isn't that much of a burden, lol. and really, "Cloud Strife?" come on!

If Hawke has pointy hair that defies gravity and is all emo .. I'm coming for you Stanley.  Just you wait!

[Blessed Silence]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

As far as sheer ridiculosity of both name and style is concerned, the traditional Western high fantasy setting of Forgotten Realms D&D can be just as full of silly as any JRPG.

I disagree.

While the Western fantasy settings do have some ridiculous things, it doesn't compare to a standard JRPG.

Ah King Poo ... yes I beat Blue Dragon ... not many creatures you can defeat like the poo which you wash away with a water spell ... no joke.

[Dave of Canada]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Oh, oh, Dave. Poor, poor, naive Dave. That is where I think you are wrong.

When I showed some approval (but didn't mention by disappointments with DA2), I was instantly labeled a fan of Mass Effect and that my intelligence is less than 99% of the board.

HOW DARE THEY BE RIGHT.

[AlanC9]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
Hawke on the other hand...there are so many Hawkes. Go to your gamer friends and say "What do you think of Hawke?" and chances are the answer will be "Which one?"

The only one that came to mind for me was the 18th-century admiral. I am grateful for that.

[Blessed Silence]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Oh, oh, Dave. Poor, poor, naive Dave. That is where I think you are wrong.

When I showed some approval (but didn't mention by disappointments with DA2), I was instantly labeled a fan of Mass Effect and that my intelligence is less than 99% of the board.

HOW DARE THEY BE RIGHT.

 
Hah! 

[In Exile]

AlanC9 wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
Hawke on the other hand...there are so many Hawkes. Go to your gamer friends and say "What do you think of Hawke?" and chances are the answer will be "Which one?"

The only one that came to mind for me was the 18th-century admiral. I am grateful for that.

I'd just assume they were talking about birds. It sounds the hero of an 80s cartoon, though, and I think that's where people have a problem with it.

Frankly I don't like it any less than any of the names that were forced on you, so whatever. Also I come from a background where we seriously have like 8 stock names for everyone, so even if you use a full name you're likely winding up with three people you know with that exact name.

[Anarya]

In Exile wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
Hawke on the other hand...there are so many Hawkes. Go to your gamer friends and say "What do you think of Hawke?" and chances are the answer will be "Which one?"

The only one that came to mind for me was the 18th-century admiral. I am grateful for that.

I'd just assume they were talking about birds. It sounds the hero of an 80s cartoon, though, and I think that's where people have a problem with it.

Frankly I don't like it any less than any of the names that were forced on you, so whatever. Also I come from a background where we seriously have like 8 stock names for everyone, so even if you use a full name you're likely winding up with three people you know with that exact name.

Vietnamese? Sorry just curious. First thing that sprang to mind...everyone is a Nguyen.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Oh, oh, Dave. Poor, poor, naive Dave. That is where I think you are wrong.

When I showed some approval (but didn't mention by disappointments with DA2), I was instantly labeled a fan of Mass Effect and that my intelligence is less than 99% of the board.

HOW DARE THEY BE RIGHT.

Ah, yes, because Mass Effect was a truly awful game on par with Dora the Explorer and Bratz: Sparklier!  On, and the SceneIt! for Twilight.  Can't forget that.

Poor Mass Effect 2, experiencing the hype backlash (or more appropriately, wankage) for being quite an excellent game.  How dare it have good level design, generally excellent VAs, better graphics, and fun combat design?  BLASPHEMY.

[TMZuk]

Well, no matter what is said and done, the fact remains that two choises is less than six, and I STILL blame it on the god awful idea to have the main protagonist voiced.



How can I take the claim that everything about Hawke is customizable serious when my mage will sound excactly like my warrior who will sound excactly like my rogue. They will have the same family and the same background, coming from the same town, born from the same parents. They'll even have the same sister!



At the third playthrough, it's going to be boring as f...!



In DA:O, the different origins meant that you could imagine different voices, and they also caused me to play my characters differently. My city-elf detested all humans. My noble despised Duncan for conscripting her. My Dalish elf distrusted humans, but respected Duncan as the one that saved him. I could go on. The Origins was what gave each playthrough a different feel. DA2 is going to be just like ME, where you just skip the dialogues after the second playthrough.



It is such a disastrous idea, and when on top of that you are presented a canon hero, a human male warrior with a silly beard, it is very hard NOT to draw comparisons with Shepard.

[HopHazzard]

Oh, yay! We've gotten to the part where people say 'canon' when they really mean 'default'. That's always my favorite part of these threads.

[Sable Rhapsody]

TMZuk wrote...

Well, no matter what is said and done, the fact remains that two choises is less than six, and I STILL blame it on the god awful idea to have the main protagonist voiced.

How can I take the claim that everything about Hawke is customizable serious when my mage will sound excactly like my warrior who will sound excactly like my rogue. They will have the same family and the same background, coming from the same town, born from the same parents. They'll even have the same sister!

At the third playthrough, it's going to be boring as f...!

In DA:O, the different origins meant that you could imagine different voices, and they also caused me to play my characters differently. My city-elf detested all humans. My noble despised Duncan for conscripting her. My Dalish elf distrusted humans, but respected Duncan as the one that saved him. I could go on. The Origins was what gave each playthrough a different feel. DA2 is going to be just like ME, where you just skip the dialogues after the second playthrough.

It is such a disastrous idea, and when on top of that you are presented a canon hero, a human male warrior with a silly beard, it is very hard NOT to draw comparisons with Shepard.

OK.  I'm going to explain this calmly 

There is no canon hero.  There never was.  There's just the marketing guys grabbing a concept and running with it.  That happened in DA:O with the default HNM Warden, in ME and ME2 with Sheploo, and now in DA2 with Hawke.  Been there, done that , moving on.

Hawke is in the same boat as the protagonists from the BG series, Fallout, PS:T, KOTOR, KOTOR2, JE, the NWN expansions, and an asston of other Western RPGs.  In all of these games, you have a set backstory.  You are the Bhaalspawn, Vault Dweller, Nameless One, Jedi Exile, whatever--and you will be upon all subsequent replays.  If you're complaining about the lack of distinct origins for DA2, you should have complained about it for all those other games too.  Hell, even Shepard has more background choices than the protagonists in all the listed "old-school" RPGs above.  Shepard at least has three for background and three for psychological profile for a total of six iterations.

As for VAed protagonists, this is something that has been done in every single video game genre except for two: RTSs, and RPGs.  Mass Effect just took something from the industry as a whole and applied it to RPGs, with mixed success.  I can understand here comparing DA2 to ME, but ONLY because you have no other frame of reference for a voiced RPG protagonist.  

[Nerevar-as]

Stanley Woo wrote...

The Console Version is good wrote...
Cousland and Aeducan were actually pretty wicked awesome names, I think the reason people do not like Hawk is because to be honest it sounds real cliche. It also sounds like the main character of a bad 80s movie.

I have no problem with the name though I am just letting you know why I think Hawke is not as good a name as the other names you guys have come up with.

And that's fine. Everyone's got differetn tastes and backgrounds and influences, so they'll like different names. I'm more responding to those who believe that:

a) Hawke is somehow less creative or a worse name than any other we could give tothe character;
the name Hawke automatically ruins the game;
c) OMG why are you destroying my hopes and dreams, BioWare? Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

Yeah, those kinds of people. Personally, I believe that if fantasy fans can practically worship a dude named "Drizzt" or "Sephiroth," the name "Hawke" isn't that much of a burden, lol. and really, "Cloud Strife?" come on!

Maybe is that these characters were not a core part of the marketing of those series, replacing another character most players loved. Drizzt wasn´t to be the actual main character he is now, and many you mentioned before are the so called Ensemble Darkhorses, rather than a "here you got a badass" which has been Hawke´s marketing so far (or so I see it).
My dislike is more for the character (although I´m in wait and see mode) than the name, fortunately "Hawk the Slayer"  (bad 80´s B movie) is overriden by "Lady Hawke".

[Sable Rhapsody]

Nerevar-as wrote...
Maybe is that these characters were not a core part of the marketing of those series, replacing another character most players loved. Drizzt wasn´t to be the actual main character he is now, and many you mentioned before are the so called Ensemble Darkhorses, rather than a "here you got a badass" which has been Hawke´s marketing so far (or so I see it).
My dislike is more for the character (although I´m in wait and see mode) than the name, fortunately "Hawk the Slayer"  (bad 80´s B movie) is overriden by "Lady Hawke".

Umm...Cloud and Sephiroth were kind of the main character and main villain.  And KIND OF A BIG DEAL.  And branded on everything that had or has or will have to do with FFVII.  I'm just saying.

[Dave of Canada]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Umm...Cloud and Sephiroth were kind of the main character and main villain.  And KIND OF A BIG DEAL.  And branded on everything that had or has or will have to do with FFVII.  I'm just saying.

I wouldn't know, considering I spent a week powerleveling Aeries at the start to be my super healer ONLY TO HAVE HER DIE ON ME AND MAKE THE GAME UNBEATABLE.

[namedforthemoon]

Yeah, the Warden in the trailer for DAO had glowing blue eyes that smoked. We never had glowing blue eyes that smoked... Not without the help of mods. It was never an option in the game, otherwise. It was just a cool concept thrown out by the BW artists to make the game trailers cooler. Not canon.

Um, sorry. This was in reference to the post about Hawke having a beard in the artwork and the beard is canon.

Modifié par namedforthemoon, 05 août 2010 - 10:54 .

[Demx]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Umm...Cloud and Sephiroth were kind of the main character and main villain.  And KIND OF A BIG DEAL.  And branded on everything that had or has or will have to do with FFVII.  I'm just saying.

I wouldn't know, considering I spent a week powerleveling Aeries at the start to be my super healer ONLY TO HAVE HER DIE ON ME AND MAKE THE GAME UNBEATABLE.

*Holds up the forbidden accessory* Gaaaaameshaaarrk...*wiggles it around all spooky* oooooooooooo=]

[Bryy_Miller]

Hey. Hey. The only ridiculous Female Jokes allowed here are Bethany jokes. None of this Aeris cr*p.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 05 août 2010 - 11:04 .

[Dave of Canada]

Spear-Thrower wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Umm...Cloud and Sephiroth were kind of the main character and main villain.  And KIND OF A BIG DEAL.  And branded on everything that had or has or will have to do with FFVII.  I'm just saying.

I wouldn't know, considering I spent a week powerleveling Aeries at the start to be my super healer ONLY TO HAVE HER DIE ON ME AND MAKE THE GAME UNBEATABLE.

You jest. FFVII isn't unbeatable because Aeris dies.

I spent like five days making her my uber healer, I pimped her out and made sure she was super strong. I was leveling before the damned snake where you have to run through the water and by the time I was done powerleveling, we were able to kill the snake (didn't matter though, insta-respawn ftl) and then I managed to continue through the game. I managed to absolutely destroy all content until that ONE DAMNED SCENE.

After that, my other characters were far too weak and there was this huge gaping hole in my party that wasn't able to be filled without more powerleveling. I just shelved the game and I still have it somewhere.

[Demx]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Hey. Hey. The only ridiculous Female Jokes allowed here are Bethany jokes. None of this Aeris cr*p.

I thought the only thing that people wanted to do with Bethany was romance her?

[Dave of Canada]

Siradix wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Hey. Hey. The only ridiculous Female Jokes allowed here are Bethany jokes. None of this Aeris cr*p.

I thought the only thing that people wanted to do with Bethany was romance her?

INCEST.

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