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[Solid N7]

Stanley Woo wrote...


c) OMG why are you destroying my hopes and dreams, BioWare? Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

Yeah, those kinds of people. Personally, I believe that if fantasy fans can practically worship a dude named "Drizzt" or "Sephiroth," the name "Hawke" isn't that much of a burden, lol. and really, "Cloud Strife?" come on!

HAHAHAHAHAHA AND ONE MORE TIME THE PC GAMERS "OWNED" HAHAHAHHAHA:devil:

[Maverick827]

What I don't understand is why only threads that r writen liek this n axe stupit ?s last 4ever n git responses but more well thought out threads, with better and more pressing topics, die quicker than an interesting and beloved female warrior companion.

[Anarya]

Solid N7 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...


c) OMG why are you destroying my hopes and dreams, BioWare? Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

Yeah, those kinds of people. Personally, I believe that if fantasy fans can practically worship a dude named "Drizzt" or "Sephiroth," the name "Hawke" isn't that much of a burden, lol. and really, "Cloud Strife?" come on!

HAHAHAHAHAHA AND ONE MORE TIME THE PC GAMERS "OWNED" HAHAHAHHAHA:devil:

What?

[Dave of Canada]

Anarya wrote...

Solid N7 wrote...
HAHAHAHAHAHA AND ONE MORE TIME THE PC GAMERS "OWNED" HAHAHAHHAHA:devil:

What?

[Akolonus]

Well Cloud Strife could be renamed. In fact all the playable could be and are referenced as your renamed characters . It didnt detach you from the game and didnt break immersion. In fact personally it made me fell more connected as (subconsiously) this was now a character I created doing all these things, not Cloud Strife.



Sorry about my ignorance on not knowing whom exactly everyone on that list is really, but the names I can pick out, save for Geralt they are all NPC's, these are people that can party with or meet in the game so you wont be able to have any say on their background, cause they are not "you".



Saying that, people like Gandalf and Littlefoot (from SoI&F right?) are directly from literature and even then they are support to the main protaganists i.e. Bilbo/Frodo. Yes you cant change the protaganists names there either, but since when have you been able to do that in a hardcopy or digital book?

[Lord Gremlin]

All DAO characters had surnames.

[Tinxa]

Yes I wasn't too thrilled about Cousland when I first heard it. I thought it sounded too wimpy for a powerful noble family but now I can't imagine what else could they have been called.

It will be the same with Hawke, you'll get used to it when you play the game.

[Saibh]

Akolonus wrote...

Well Cloud Strife could be renamed. In fact all the playable could be and are referenced as your renamed characters . It didnt detach you from the game and didnt break immersion. In fact personally it made me fell more connected as (subconsiously) this was now a character I created doing all these things, not Cloud Strife.

Sorry about my ignorance on not knowing whom exactly everyone on that list is really, but the names I can pick out, save for Geralt they are all NPC's, these are people that can party with or meet in the game so you wont be able to have any say on their background, cause they are not "you".

People still accept that Cloud's name is Cloud Strife--in fact, the Complicat--Compilation even canonizes it.

Saying that, people like Gandalf and Littlefoot (from SoI&F right?) are directly from literature and even then they are support to the main protaganists i.e. Bilbo/Frodo. Yes you cant change the protaganists names there either, but since when have you been able to do that in a hardcopy or digital book?

He's talking about "ridiculous" sounding names that fans come to accept and love. Some don't like the way "Hawke" sounds.

[TransientNomad]

Some people are simply whiny. Hey we could have had a character named Jet Brody or Max Cougar. Hawke is fine.

[AlanC9]

TMZuk wrote...
It is such a disastrous idea, and when on top of that you are presented a canon hero, a human male warrior with a silly beard, it is very hard NOT to draw comparisons with Shepard.

We  were presented with a canon hero? Damn -- guess I missed it. All I saw were a couple of screenshots of an early build.

[TransientNomad]

How about the "Canon" hero that appeared in the "Sacraed Ashes" DAO trailer and the "Grey Warden" trailer? The "Canon" hero in DA:O is a male warrior/templar with short hair.

I never understand how people seem to forget things that invalidate their arguement.

Modifié par TransientNomad, 06 août 2010 - 02:42 .

[Valente11]

Umerai wrote...

 Right, just to be clear, I HATE the idea of Hawke, I really do.
And this seems to be the general opinion.

incorrect. You and I have no way of knowing what the general opinion is seeing as these forums are a massive minority of the actual DA fanbase. Oh, and all these 10 page long threads you see complaining about this or that, are actually about ~10 very stubborn posters arguing back and forth. don't speak for others.

[Khavos]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
Hawke is in the same boat as the protagonists from the BG series, Fallout, PS:T, KOTOR, KOTOR2, JE, the NWN expansions, and an asston of other Western RPGs.  In all of these games, you have a set backstory.

In all of the Bioware games you listed, certainly.  In the ones from other developers...mmm, you're only partially correct.  No one outside of JRPG developers - and possibly Bethesda with FO3 - go to quite the lengths Bioware goes to to put their stamp on your character, to the point where they make it quite clear it's more their character than yours.  Black Isle/Obsidian, by and large, left your character alone save for a necessary plot point here or there to get your story started, at least until recently, and I suspect New Vegas will be a return to form in that regard.  IWD >>>>> BG in terms of background choice.  KotOR 2 >>> KotOR in terms of background choice.  Bethesda's got a better record at it despite FO3, with Oblivion and Morrowind and whatnot. 

DA:O was awfully sucktastic in terms of ability to define your character's backstory, and I'm not sure why anyone would think DA2 isn't going to be worse, given Bioware's track record with such things. 

[Chairon de Celeste]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Really? Why isn't BioWare changing a name I don't like? why are they ignoring people who keep saying they don't like the name? Well, besides the fact that we like the name (you'll have to decide for yourselves after you play the game whether you change your mind), aren't y'all the same fanbase that has accepted names like Elminster, Drizzt, Bilbo, Littlefinger, Belgarion, Pug/Milamber, Sadira, Haplo, Dresden, Cadderly, Tasslehoff, Gandalf, Cloud Strife, Geralt, a skull named Morte, even Cousland and Aeducan?

I have no doubt "Hawke" will cease to become an issue once people begin playing as him/her.

Well, it may become an issue when the next part of the series after RtP
will be announced: 'hey - why can't I continue playing as Hawke /
Hawke's grandchild  / Hawke's restless spirit (...)?'

[Massadonious1]

Khavos wrote...
KotOR 2 >>> KotOR in terms of background choice. 

Uh, no. You were Revan in one, the Exile in another. Unless by "background" you mean whether your character had mammory glands or not.

[Khavos]

Massadonious1 wrote...

Khavos wrote...
KotOR 2 >>> KotOR in terms of background choice. 

Uh, no. You were Revan in one, the Exile in another. Unless by "background" you mean whether your character had mammory glands or not.

Uh, yes.  Revan's backstory was considerably more fleshed-out than the Exile's. 

[Massadonious1]

You said background "choice"



You never had a choice in either.

[Dave of Canada]

Khavos wrote...

KotOR 2 >>> KotOR in terms of background choice.

Hell no.

In Knights of the Old Republic, I was roleplaying a soldier that was an ex-slaver and had joined with the Republic in an effort to change his ways. He hailed from Dantooine and he had a family there waiting for him back home. As the story progressed and I returned to Dantooine, I just labeled it to game mechanics that I never was able to visit my family (and because the story was completely in my head) and such.

When they finally revealed that I was Revan and was implanted with a fake personality, it didn't invalidate my previous personality. My character actually thought he was raised on Dantooine, he actually thought he was an ex-slaver and he thought he joined the Republic to change his ways. The beauty of the plot twist is that whatever backstory you created for your character wasn't invalidated, it was part of it.

In the sequel, you're the Exile who was with Revan in the destruction of Malachor V. You can make a few choices here or there but the backround is set and you either support what you did or hate it. There's no real room to create your own backstory.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 06 août 2010 - 06:16 .

[HighlandBerserkr]

Ugh, you can still design your own character the ONLY difference from origins is that you cant pick a race anymore, i think this change is for the better, bring it on.

[Guns]

KotOR 1 > KotOR 2 in every way, not even an opinion, it's fact.

[Khavos]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Khavos wrote...

KotOR 2 >>> KotOR in terms of background choice.

Hell no.

In Knights of the Old Republic, I was roleplaying a soldier that was an ex-slaver and had joined with the Republic in an effort to change his ways. He hailed from Dantooine and he had a family there waiting for him back home. As the story progressed and I returned to Dantooine, I just labeled it to game mechanics that I never was able to visit my family (and because the story was completely in my head) and such.

When they finally revealed that I was Revan and was implanted with a fake personality, it didn't invalidate my previous personality. My character actually thought he was raised on Dantooine, he actually thought he was an ex-slaver and he thought he joined the Republic to change his ways. The beauty of the plot twist is that whatever backstory you created for your character wasn't invalidated, it was part of it.

In the sequel, you're the Exile who was with Revan in the destruction of Malachor V. You can make a few choices here or there but the backround is set and you either support what you did or hate it. There's no real room to create your own backstory.

No real room to create your own backstory, save the allowances the game makes for determining why and how you got there in the first place, and why you did what you did.

You might have enjoyed the Revan plot twist, but I had the exact opposite reaction.  I've always had very little interest in Bioware's insistence on making your character the offspring of a god, one of the most powerful Sith in the galaxy, etc.  I got halfway through KotOR thinking I might just be able to play a somewhat obscure dude when I discovered that, no, he was the son of Bhaal all over again.  The best thing to be said about DA:O's limited character creation is that you're not somehow part of Calenhad's bloodline no matter your origin.

I see it this way - and I warn you this is a tortured analogy: if Bioware ever made an RPG based on the Battle of Waterloo, you'd be Wellington, no questions asked.  The point would be to be the ONE AND ONLY guy who could possibly win the battle, and occasionally you'd get to be either nice to von Blucher or mean to von Blucher, with the outcome essentially the same.  You certainly wouldn't get to roll up some obscure hussar from Brunswick involved in a peripheral part of the battle.  That approach has always annoyed me, and it's the reason I pass on their games a lot of the time while buying up everything Obsidian puts out.  

[sporky1]

Akolonus wrote...

Well Cloud Strife could be renamed. In fact all the playable could be and are referenced as your renamed characters . It didnt detach you from the game and didnt break immersion. In fact personally it made me fell more connected as (subconsiously) this was now a character I created doing all these things, not Cloud Strife.

Sorry about my ignorance on not knowing whom exactly everyone on that list is really, but the names I can pick out, save for Geralt they are all NPC's, these are people that can party with or meet in the game so you wont be able to have any say on their background, cause they are not "you".

Saying that, people like Gandalf and Littlefoot (from SoI&F right?) are directly from literature and even then they are support to the main protaganists i.e. Bilbo/Frodo. Yes you cant change the protaganists names there either, but since when have you been able to do that in a hardcopy or digital book?

Why can't a video game have epic names like a book?

[HighMoon]

I agree with Woo... I don't see how "Hawke" sounds any more silly than "Strife" or "Leonhart".

[mr_nameless]

The answer is simple. People nowadays have the IQ of a Turnip and can't even come up with a creative name for their characters. LOL.

Why even give the option when it's easier to prepackage everything.



Bioware, I say come up with Hawke's first name and be done with it.

[Dave of Canada]

Golden-Rose wrote...

I agree with Woo... I don't see how "Hawke" sounds any more silly than "Strife" or "Leonhart".

Mike Hawke.