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[Deviija]

Stanley Woo wrote...
Yeah, those kinds of people. Personally, I believe that if fantasy fans can practically worship a dude named "Drizzt" or "Sephiroth," the name "Hawke" isn't that much of a burden, lol. and really, "Cloud Strife?" come on!

I completely agree.  Loghain's last name (Mac Tir) may have been a reference to the Gaelic form mactire (aka 'wolf'), so I do not see this as a huge stretch or even lore-crushing to have Hawke's surname name be Hawke.  Predatory animals as surnames for humans in Dragon Age does not seem uncommon or silly to me.

[B3taMaxxx]

Umerai wrote...
 So why does BioWare have this selective deafness on the huge dislike of Hawke, why don't they just say 'we heard you, no Hawke, you can design your own character,'

Your opinion?

 Really? Wow!  And what is it you do for a living? Say you've been working on a project for a few years, and this project centers around a constant, then someone who hasn't even looked at your project tells you to abandon it becuase in thier view your constant sucks.  book by it's cover  ring a bell

 I guarantee you there will be just as many players wanting Hawke back for DA 3 as there will be for the Warden. To, I think there will be nearly as many customizable options as in DA: Origins, I just think having the one race will drive down the replayability factor.

[Nerevar-as]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...
Maybe is that these characters were not a core part of the marketing of those series, replacing another character most players loved. Drizzt wasn´t to be the actual main character he is now, and many you mentioned before are the so called Ensemble Darkhorses, rather than a "here you got a badass" which has been Hawke´s marketing so far (or so I see it).
My dislike is more for the character (although I´m in wait and see mode) than the name, fortunately "Hawk the Slayer"  (bad 80´s B movie) is overriden by "Lady Hawke".

Umm...Cloud and Sephiroth were kind of the main character and main villain.  And KIND OF A BIG DEAL.  And branded on everything that had or has or will have to do with FFVII.  I'm just saying.

I meant if they were before that popular in the marketing before the game first appeared (I´m asking, it´s been too many years), not what they became after that. In the other example, AFAIK, Wulfgar was to be the actual main character of Salvatore´s books, yet now he´s still only around because of Executive Medling.
In the end it all depends on how good Hawke will be written, it´s just his marketing so far feel Gary Stuish to me.

[Sharn01]

Blessed Silence wrote...

I guess I am in the minority then as I enjoyed ME and ME2 immensely.

I doubt you are in the minority.  I enjoyed ME immensely as well, and thought ME2 was a decent game but felt the story didnt hold true for a sequal, it had some other problems for me as well but thats for a different thread.  I just dont think that DA2 needs to be a copy paste of ME2 with swords instead of guns. 

That said, I worry that the dialog wheel and voice acting will hurt the game, but you notice I said worry, thats different from spelling doom and gloom and screaming its going to be horrible. 

My only true gripe is the fact that your forced to be human in a game that allowed you to choose your race with its predecessor.  Yes, you can keep a tighter story this way, but the tighter and cleaner a story is, the less choice the player is going to have, and that is not an opinion but a fact like it or not.  The cleanest and tightest story they can make would give no dialog options or choices for players at all and simply have cinematic cutscenes where you sit and watch it take place.

Yes despite this DA2 can still be a great game and maybe I will get it and really enjoy it.  I would enjoy it more if I could be an elf or a dwarf, that goes without saying for me, because I enjoyed the racial prejudices inflicted on me despite being the best person around, though I would have liked the chance to put some people in their place instead of having to take it.  It added a lot to the game for me, I have never liked the generic human male warrior hero most games give you, but thats the direction that DA is moving towards, it doesnt mean they cant change direction again, but how often can you think of in your lifetime where a company stopped moving something in a direction once they start, usually they run it in that direction for as long as it will go until it stops, then they scrap it and start over.

Modifié par Sharn01, 06 août 2010 - 09:50 .

[Mr.Cousland_]

I have no problem with Hawke, him being a human, and the voice acting. On the VO side I actually like it, as I found it annoying not hearing my char speak. But if I feel like playing an elf or dwarf I'll just go back to Origins.



I dont think this game will be terrible. And besides its not like this is Biowares only game, if they feel they truly wronged the RPing crowd out there who want a blank slate char. Then they'll do it. Or not, its they're choice.

[Umerai]

Well this was a whole ton'o'fun guys

[Sidney]

Sharn01 wrote...

My only true gripe is the fact that your forced to be human in a game that allowed you to choose your race with its predecessor.  Yes, you can keep a tighter story this way, but the tighter and cleaner a story is, the less choice the player is going to have, and that is not an opinion but a fact like it or not.  The cleanest and tightest story they can make would give no dialog options or choices for players at all and simply have cinematic cutscenes where you sit and watch it take place.

You can do a deeper story with less choice it is the old trope of a mile wide and a inch deep or an inch wide and a mile deep. 

As you constrain the "origins" part of things you can have a lot more realistic interaction with the hero because the designers know a lot more about that person. Think about all the elf stuff from DAO. Most of it was really just toss away lines that let you act out some elf rage - "Do you have a problem with elves?!". Now if your origins character was forced to be an elf could they have or more likely would they have devoted the resources to let your elf explore that side of Thedas even more? I'd have to think yes but when the player might also be a Dwarf and Human you have to keep interactions pretty generic in order to accomodate all those choices. In that case choice = lack of depth and less choices.

[AlanC9]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Golden-Rose wrote...

I agree with Woo... I don't see how "Hawke" sounds any more silly than "Strife" or "Leonhart".

Mike Hawke.

Oh, gods.... we're going to be hearing this joke for months, right?

[Umerai]

My favourite is still Nightelfmo Hawke.



And, this whole thread has really helped me understand some things that just weren't clear before. I can't wait to see how much detail BioWare are going to pack into Hawke. It'll be like all the Origin stories details packed into one.

[i love lamp x3]

originally i thought it was a lame idea but now i know you can customize hawke the same way as you can customize your da:o character etc. so.. it's no big deal at all to me.



the bad part is not playing as my original pc. and what's worse is it's going to be hard to go back to the original pc because you can't just go back to a voiceless character. but who knows. maybe bioware can pull it off.. i guess they'd need at least four different voices considering elves and humans sound pretty similar but dwarves do not. honestly they can throw any old voice in there as long as it isn't really dumb.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Yeah, those kinds of people. Personally, I believe that if fantasy fans can practically worship a dude named "Drizzt" or "Sephiroth," the name "Hawke" isn't that much of a burden, lol. and really, "Cloud Strife?" come on!

As it happens, I think bot hDrizzt and Sephiroth are dumb names.

As for Hawke, my biggest concern is that "Sylvius Hawke" just doesn't work as a name.

But, "Sylvius the Mad Hawke" works spectacularly.  So if DA2 will allow spaces (which DAO did, but only with AltCodes)  and names longer than 10 characters (which DAO did not, except on the dog, so clearly the game could have supported longer names), I'll be pleased as punch.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 07 août 2010 - 03:49 .

[soteria]

True, the majority doesn't care, and doesn't analyze games the way us "hardcore" gamers do.

The masses love Halo, so basically recognize DA:O for what it was: the last great game that will come out of Bioware for a long time.

Funny, I loved all three Halo games. I guess that means I'm just not hardcore enough and haven't analyzed DA enough to truly care about the death of good RPGs.

Of course, since I loved all three Halo's, that means I'm probably not even "hardcore" enough for Halo fans, since a *true* fan would have settled on either the first or second one as the last good game before Bungie ruined the series forever.

Whether the majority hate the name "Hawke" or not, I seriously doubt anyone would give the game a pass based on such a trivial complaint. I'm not a fan of the name "Drizzt," either, but I quit reading those books not because of the name but because the writing wore thin. I detested the names Bilbo and Frodo, but that didn't stop me from loving their stories. I'm a firm believer that a name is more what you invest in it than how it sounds.

[KEMKA]

DA2 is about the story of Hawke, DA:O was a story about the blight, the warden would of have worked as an elf, human or dwarf, but I imagine Hawke would only work as a human? There's no point giving extra customization options simply for the sake of it if it would clash with the story they are trying to tell.

[hangmans tree]

So, most people do no like to roleplay I suppose?

YOU were born HUMAN

YOU were born with a surname - HAWKE

The rest is your choice - your origin of Champion of Kirkwall. What is so hard to accept here? That you cant be an elf? Or krasnolud? Or whatever non-human? Its a game design, do you see an elf becoming a CHAMPION in humans world? Do you see a human becoming dalish LOREKEEPER?



If the story is compelling and captivating I dont care 'bout whatever "shortcomings" along the way. BW is making IT"s second game set in dragon age, BW gives you a chance to experience something new, they expand the universe, and some people act as if they ordered and paid the dev team for implementing certain features.

When the game hits the shelves, reviews will pop up (by journalists, "journalists", enthusiasts, casual gamers, fanatics, haters and a range of other classess and specializationsa in game review business), then you can decide if you want to buy it and paly or completely dismiss the title.



You shouldnt brag about it unless you played the game nad didnt like it/feel cheated.



Now only some suggestions can be persuaded in a properm manner; for some ther's too late I guess. The rest is silence.

[Zebron is reaL]

I appreciate the new direction being taken with Hawke. I appreciate the voice and that we no longer have to hear every single person in the world refer to you by title because they don't know your name.



What I don't appreciate is the name bashing of Sephiroth, Cloud, and Littlefinger as they are characters that I happen to have built a connection to.



And thats what the problem is. Unless you feel a connection to a character then they may sound lame or like a terrible idea. I don't know who Drizzt is, and that sounds like a terrible name. But I know who Cloud is and as silly as that name surely must sound, I don't care because it is a great character who I empathize with.



So anyone who doesn't like the name Hawke, just wait. If you come to like the character, then the name won't sound any bit ridiculous.

[AlexXIV]

Maybe another thing about the name Garrett Hawke is that a 3rd grader could have come up with it within 5 minutes. No offense meant and I am not even suggesting Bioware didn't take their time for the decision. But in an epic fantasy story you don't expect that, not even as a name for a companion or other important role in the story.

[AlexXIV]

elektrego wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
... that a 3rd grader could have come up with it within 5 minutes....

That is what a lot of (ignorant) people say about modern art etc., too.

(Be advised: I am not trying to say that you are ignorant, it is just a generalization! Just to prevent misunderstanding, cause it happens a lot on these forums!)

Well maybe, but I bet they are right about that sometimes.

[In Exile]

I'd really like for people to put out their idea for what the right name could be out to the community for critical evaluation. I think you'll find quite quickly that coming up with a name that everyone is happy with is a losing battle. Everyone just picks what they think sounds good, and if these things don't overlap, complaining follows.

[David Gaider]

In Exile wrote...
I'd really like for people to put out their idea for what the right name could be out to the community for critical evaluation. I think you'll find quite quickly that coming up with a name that everyone is happy with is a losing battle. Everyone just picks what they think sounds good, and if these things don't overlap, complaining follows.

This is exactly correct. Even if we changed the name, while it might make one group of people happy you'd just get another group complaining about the new name. When it comes to something that is subject only to aesthetic evaluation there simply is no magic bullet that will please everyone. Anyone who thinks that is fooling themselves.

And, no, the solution is not a toggle.

Modifié par David Gaider, 07 août 2010 - 04:13 .

[AlexXIV]

David Gaider wrote...

In Exile wrote...
I'd really like for people to put out their idea for what the right name could be out to the community for critical evaluation. I think you'll find quite quickly that coming up with a name that everyone is happy with is a losing battle. Everyone just picks what they think sounds good, and if these things don't overlap, complaining follows.

This is exactly correct. Even if we changed the name, while it might make one group of people happy you'd just get another group complaining about the new name. When it comes to something that is subject only to aesthetic evaluation there simply is no magic bullet that will please everyone. Anyone who thinks that is fooling themselves.

And, no, the solution is not a toggle.

You know as a writer I would really like to know whether you are really happy with Garrett Hawke. Or Marian Hawke for that matter. But seeing as the only response you could give would be public, hence 'official', I guess we never know.

[David Gaider]

AlexXIV wrote...
You know as a writer I would really like to know whether you are really happy with Garrett Hawke. Or Marian Hawke for that matter. But seeing as the only response you could give would be public, hence 'official', I guess we never know.

Since my participation on these forums is voluntary, if I don't want to say something I simply don't comment.

I like Hawke as a last name just fine. Any name is going to have connotations that are particular to the person, so some people will never like it. Others simply need to get used to it, and then they won't remember that it could have been anything else. Still others like to mix in their feelings about other changes to the game, like the voiced protaganist, and make that the reason they dislike the name even though you didn't choose your last name in DAO either.

But if you prefer to believe that I'm not allowed to say what I think and that someone is forcing me to come here and tell you this, by all means do so.

[The Edge]

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet"

[i love lamp x3]

i'm sure a lot of people weren't excited about the name shepard

but who cares it's just a name. and bioware can do no wrong. if bioware were a girl, i would propose right now

Modifié par i love lamp x3, 07 août 2010 - 04:55 .

[JasonPogo]

David Gaider wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
You know as a writer I would really like to know whether you are really happy with Garrett Hawke. Or Marian Hawke for that matter. But seeing as the only response you could give would be public, hence 'official', I guess we never know.

Since my participation on these forums is voluntary, if I don't want to say something I simply don't comment.

I like Hawke as a last name just fine. Any name is going to have connotations that are particular to the person, so some people will never like it. Others simply need to get used to it, and then they won't remember that it could have been anything else. Still others like to mix in their feelings about other changes to the game, like the voiced protaganist, and make that the reason they dislike the name even though you didn't choose your last name in DAO either.

But if you prefer to believe that I'm not allowed to say what I think and that someone is forcing me to come here and tell you this, by all means do so.

Hmm that is kinda of a funny thought.  Some EA executive standing over david's shoulder as he types.  And seeing how people rage about EA some people might even think it is true.