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[Shadow_Viper]

IFSW.

[scyld]

Why am I able to defeat a horde of powerful monsters with only 4 people that aren't supernaturally endowed or anything? And why are people stupid enough to oppose me if we are so incredibly powerful?

[danno428cj]

Well, if they did it your way the game would be a whole lot shorter, so there.

[kab]

I'm more upset that all the skeletons can find my guy. I mean, they ain't got no eyes.

/thread

[danno428cj]

It's hard to avenge people if they don't die.

[FalloutBoy]

Duncan is Luke's father.

Oops spoiler!

[kab]

Also, it's because they're game designers not military strategists. Haven't you noticed most people lack any concept of fundamental tactics and strategy? If you ever forget this is the case just peruse a few threads about how Normal is too hard.

[danno428cj]

FalloutBoy wrote...

Duncan is Luke's father.

Oops spoiler!

Saw that in a movie once, I think.

[Teshronesh]

@Scyld: You might use intimidate. It works.

[Maria Caliban]

Mirdan wrote...

How stupid is Duncan in the use of the Grey Wardens that he allowed his people (which are best classed as irregulars/skirmishers seeing the varied equipment and tactics) to be used as the anvil in a classic hammer and anvil tactic instead of the heavy infantry that Loghain has with him?

That's the kings decision. He wants to lead his knights in glorious battle like in the tales.

If the Grey Wardens were more then irregulars why didn't they use equipment fit for the task at hand?
If the Grey Wardens were more then irregulars why did they perform the utter stupid move of breaking rank to engage the enemy while fighting on the defense?

The majority of Grey Wardens are not soldiers. They are fighters, but Duncan himself was a pickpocket before becoming a Warden.

I'll also point out that Fereldens are not Romans or Greek. They're not even Mongolians. Their fighting tactics are.. well, barbaric. The reason the Romans managed to take so much of northern Europe is because they showed a level of discipline on the battle field that others didn't show.

scyld wrote...

Why am I able to defeat a horde of powerful monsters with only 4 people that aren't supernaturally endowed or anything? And why are people stupid enough to oppose me if we are so incredibly powerful?

Morrigan and Wynne are supernaturally endowed. I couldn't beat the majority of fights if it weren't for mages.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 11 novembre 2009 - 01:18 .

[kaispan]

yeah, they sure could have used some mages in that battle. I'm not sure what the ones in Ostagar were up to, I don't recall seeing them wreaking havoc in that cutscene.



Honestly, as long as you have a fortress of some kind I don't see why you can't stock it full of mages and just rain fire down. The soldiers can clean up what's left when the smoke clears. ;P

[Devath_2008]

Actually, according to the king, they had exactly 7 mages from the circle of magi, and I doubt they had a plentiful supply of lyrium potions to keep the fire coming down. They might be able to open with mage fire, but endurance would be difficult.

[Nyaore]

As an earlier poster also pointed out, given that it was Loghain who supposedly devised the strategy that they used during that battle are you really all that surprised by it's tactical inefficiency? Loghain is a tactical genius, true, so given his traitorous actions during the battle is it not all that surprising that he decided not to throw his best forces to their deaths? Cailan might have been the one who decided where the Grey Warden's were situated on the battlefield, but it was Loghain who masterminded the rest of the battle. Also am I the only one who is incredibly suspicious of how the darkspawn got into the Tower given that it was Loghain's men who were working on the tunnels before hand?
In short, the man planned the battle in such a way that would ensure that Cailan and the Warden's lost - and the fact that the two remaining Warden's happened to be sent to the Tower was merely a unforseen setback to an otherwise masterful plan to eliminate what he, in his infinite paranoia, perceived as a threat.

At least that's the cop-out answer. Chances are they simply weren't aware of such things and tried their best to make the battle look as good as they could given the circumstances.

Modifié par Nyaore, 11 novembre 2009 - 02:26 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Wardens were low on numbers at that time.

[Krenmu]

Or..you could claim that in such a battle all ultimate tactical decisions are made by the king..and as such are faulty...Or the fact that Loghain wanted him dead anyway..or the fact that the grey wardens while powerfully strong weren't enough, or..the list goes on and on.

[Vinditater]

Your armchair generalship astounds me. Clearly you have read Sun Tzu, and played Medieval, and therefore can critique battles in fantasy RPGs.



First of all, Duncan states specifically that he is our king, and the Grey Wardens never question his orders. He states clearly that the Grey Wardens will be fighting side by side with the king on the battlefield, which is an order, stated the very first time you meet him. Loghain is upset because he knows it is a tactical mistake, and that legend and fantasy has no part in military effectiveness. Second, the plan would have worked if it ran the course to its entirety. The beacon would have been lit earlier, and Loghain would have driven a massive infantry wedge into an already scattered and unorganized fighting force. Also, please forgive the game designers for not putting in mantlets on an ancient bridge in the middle of BFKorcari Wilds. The King chose Ostagar to make their stand, and that was another reason Loghain was perturbed. ./endrant

[Aggie Punbot]

First of all, this thread was created 12 months ago. It is entirely possible it was moved here from the No Spoilers section.



Secondly, the Wardens answer to no one when it comes to defeating a Blight.

[TJPags]

Wow, another Ostagar thread?

It was Loghain's fault. 

[TJPags]

sapientia24 wrote...

ah okay, but still as any ruler can ask the wardens for help and they are still obliged to help.

Do they?  I'm not so sure they're concerned about any one nation over another - not as an Order, anyway, an individual Warden may certainly have feelings for his home country - or about anything other than stopping the Blight.

Otherwise, why would the Orlesian Wardens have stopped at the border?  Because it didn't make tactical sense to continue into Ferelden at that time.

Modifié par TJPags, 10 novembre 2010 - 01:49 .