I just finished reading the calling and i'm a bit confused on the amount of children Maric had. is it Cailan, Alistair and Fiona's child or is Alistair Fiona's and the thing about the serving girl just made up to give Alistair a reason for being taken away from Denerim. And he's probably got about seven other children scattered throughout Thedas, just a theory.
How many children does Maric actually have?
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KJandrew
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 03:24
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the way I understood it was Fiona is Alistair's mum, (it's a good read and would make for an interesting game)
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 03:27
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Well, Cailan is a definite.
Alistair is a definite as well, since it's confirmed he's Maric's bastard. Who his mother truly was is neither confirmed nor denied by Bioware. It could be he is Fiona's and the serving girl at Redcliffe is a story fed to him because Fiona didn't want her son saddled with elf heritage baggage. However, if Alistair is Fiona's son, then the game is incorrect when it tells you he was kept secret for Rowan's sake (since Rowan is dead during The Calling timeline when the child is conceived).
So, if nothing else, Maric has two sons -- one legit and one not. There is the possibility that there may or may not be a third one, if the boy at the end of The Calling is not Alistair.
Alistair is a definite as well, since it's confirmed he's Maric's bastard. Who his mother truly was is neither confirmed nor denied by Bioware. It could be he is Fiona's and the serving girl at Redcliffe is a story fed to him because Fiona didn't want her son saddled with elf heritage baggage. However, if Alistair is Fiona's son, then the game is incorrect when it tells you he was kept secret for Rowan's sake (since Rowan is dead during The Calling timeline when the child is conceived).
So, if nothing else, Maric has two sons -- one legit and one not. There is the possibility that there may or may not be a third one, if the boy at the end of The Calling is not Alistair.
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 04:17
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This is a question I think even Maric has no answer to. He is after all a king and personally I do not think any medieval king knows exactly how many children they have XD
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 07:26
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Well Alistair is half elven soo....yeah hes Fionas and Marics son. The servant girl thing was made up to avoid the elf issues.
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 08:47
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It's never confirmed in-game that Alistair is half-elf, that I recall. I was under the impression he was Fiona's child as well, after reading The Calling. However, after finally getting Loghain into my party and discussing Alistair with him, he talks as if Rowan was still alive when Alistair was born. Now, unless Loghain was lying his head off (which is possible, but I doubt), that means Alistair is actually Maric's second child.
I'm divided on the subject. On the one hand, it could have happened when Maric and Rowan weren't really in love (at the end of Stolen Throne, they're hardly a happy couple). On the other hand, I'm willing to chalk it up to writer error and in need of a retcon.
I'm divided on the subject. On the one hand, it could have happened when Maric and Rowan weren't really in love (at the end of Stolen Throne, they're hardly a happy couple). On the other hand, I'm willing to chalk it up to writer error and in need of a retcon.
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 09:04
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Well think about it for a minute. Since Logain, Maric and Fiona were in the deep roads for a good while and Maric away from his wife the man must have been horny. And if Fiona was there well.....
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 10:21
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If you look at Alistair's ears closely they ARE kinda pointy. More pointy than the other human characters, in any case.
Trust me on this.
Trust me on this.
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 10:44
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They've been careful to make his parentage uncertain. It could be one or the other. Given that elves and humans produce entirely human children, there would be no way to tell from phisiology, and the timeline has been left unclear. I imagine that there's a reason that none of the possible rulers seem likely to have a child, That will probably be an issue later. Maybe it will be a new ruling line, maybe another Theirin will show up, who knows?
Personally, I like to assume that Alistair's parentage is exactly what he thinks it is, as I'd rather not have complete contempt for Fiona and Maric.
Personally, I like to assume that Alistair's parentage is exactly what he thinks it is, as I'd rather not have complete contempt for Fiona and Maric.
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 11:03
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Rowan was already dead by that point.LadyVaJedi wrote...
Well think about it for a minute. Since Logain, Maric and Fiona were in the deep roads for a good while and Maric away from his wife the man must have been horny. And if Fiona was there well.....
edit: Wait. I'm confused... Loghain was hardly in The Calling...
Modifié par ArawnNox, 05 août 2010 - 11:05 .
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 11:13
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Isn't there a theory that Anders is Fiona's son?
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 11:20
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maxernst wrote...
Isn't there a theory that Anders is Fiona's son?
I'm not surprised. He's an Alistair clone with a cat and magic. Do the math. True or not, it makes sense.
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 11:33
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Anders is too old to be Fiona's son. DG said so.
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Posté 06 août 2010 - 02:50
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LadyVaJedi wrote...
Well think about it for a minute. Since Logain, Maric and Fiona were in the deep roads for a good while and Maric away from his wife the man must have been horny. And if Fiona was there well.....
Loghain was never in the deep roads with Fiona. Maric and Fiona got together in The Calling and Rowan was already dead.
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Posté 06 août 2010 - 01:35
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Fiona didn't want the baby to have any of the elven baggage or royal blood baggage the way i understood it, so i thought it was Alistair and the serving girl was just a story
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Posté 06 août 2010 - 02:10
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I thought so as well, until I got into Alistair's personal quest where Goldanna seemed to accept the "star-struck" maid story.
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Posté 06 août 2010 - 03:32
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maybe the maid story is part true and the baby did die and that is where a cover up story comes for Alister.
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Posté 07 août 2010 - 09:32
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i completely forgot about Goldanna lol
this maybe completely out of my imagination but in game was something said about a maid being paid to keep it quiet or something,really don't know if it did happen or im making it up :S
this maybe completely out of my imagination but in game was something said about a maid being paid to keep it quiet or something,really don't know if it did happen or im making it up :S
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Posté 07 août 2010 - 12:49
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fretmelta wrote...
i completely forgot about Goldanna lol
this maybe completely out of my imagination but in game was something said about a maid being paid to keep it quiet or something,really don't know if it did happen or im making it up :S
One of the Royal Guards paid Goldanna to keep quiet.
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Posté 07 août 2010 - 07:08
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Thats a very reasonable conclusion, but again, I can't help but wonder about what Logain had to say on the subject. I wish someone on the writing team could verify this.Sue wrote...
maybe the maid story is part true and the baby did die and that is where a cover up story comes for Alister.
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Posté 07 août 2010 - 07:28
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Bahlgan wrote...
fretmelta wrote...
i completely forgot about Goldanna lol
this maybe completely out of my imagination but in game was something said about a maid being paid to keep it quiet or something,really don't know if it did happen or im making it up :S
One of the Royal Guards paid Goldanna to keep quiet.
thanks for that, didnt know if my mind was off on its own lol
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 08:23
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The thing about Mediaeval (or even pseudo Mediaeval 
) kings is that they had illegitimate kids everywhere. So as well as Cailan and Alistair, Fiona's child could be a third (assuming the writers haven't made a mistake there). it's perfectly possible that Anders is also his son (there is a definite family resemblance, he wouldn't have to be Fiona's son). Hell, Even Wynne's son - assuming it isn't Anders, which is a reasonably popular theory - could theoretically be Maric's as well.
Finally - out of people we know of so far - there could be Morrigan. We know that Flemeth and Maric did some kind of deal during 'the Stolen Throne' events, which left Maric looking decidedly unwell, heh. And Morrigan is probably about the right age. Plus Morrigan/Alistair = Morgan/Arthur, who were also half brother and sister and had a child together (in a kind of 'Dark Ritual' according to one particular novelisation).
So that's potentially a cool half dozen for the naughty king so far - and I'm betting we'll see at least one more face in DA2 that reminds us of Alistair
) kings is that they had illegitimate kids everywhere. So as well as Cailan and Alistair, Fiona's child could be a third (assuming the writers haven't made a mistake there). it's perfectly possible that Anders is also his son (there is a definite family resemblance, he wouldn't have to be Fiona's son). Hell, Even Wynne's son - assuming it isn't Anders, which is a reasonably popular theory - could theoretically be Maric's as well. Finally - out of people we know of so far - there could be Morrigan. We know that Flemeth and Maric did some kind of deal during 'the Stolen Throne' events, which left Maric looking decidedly unwell, heh. And Morrigan is probably about the right age. Plus Morrigan/Alistair = Morgan/Arthur, who were also half brother and sister and had a child together (in a kind of 'Dark Ritual' according to one particular novelisation).
So that's potentially a cool half dozen for the naughty king so far - and I'm betting we'll see at least one more face in DA2 that reminds us of Alistair
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 05:58
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Be that as it may, ATJ, Maric is never presented to us as someone who tends towards infidelity, even counting his dalliance with Katriel. Yes, he was betrothed to Rowan at the time, but as far as he knew, the betrothal was political and had no idea Rowan had fallen for him.
Now, that said, he and Rowan were on very poor terms at the end of Stolen Throne, so in the years between that and The Calling, I'm willing to bet that he and a servant slept together. We don't know the circumstances, so I wont make any conjectures. So, my money is on at least 3 kids, though only 2 are for-sure confirmed.
Now, that said, he and Rowan were on very poor terms at the end of Stolen Throne, so in the years between that and The Calling, I'm willing to bet that he and a servant slept together. We don't know the circumstances, so I wont make any conjectures. So, my money is on at least 3 kids, though only 2 are for-sure confirmed.
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 05:59
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i think if its not Alistair then it loses half the impact of it. and as he was raised in Redcliff and Redcliff has ties through Rowan to Maric it all seems to fit quite nicely to me 
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Posté 08 août 2010 - 06:03
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fretmelta wrote...
i think if its not Alistair then it loses half the impact of it. and as he was raised in Redcliff and Redcliff has ties through Rowan to Maric it all seems to fit quite nicely to me
I agree, which is why the inconsistency in the writing really bothers me. I started a thread once about Alistair, Goldanna, and The Calling because none of it fit. That thread didn't get anywhere either.
