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[Sable Rhapsody]

Soo...we're discussing Hawke's name and WoW. And...not the other 15-odd minutes of podcast. Go us ><

[Anarya]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Soo...we're discussing Hawke's name and WoW. And...not the other 15-odd minutes of podcast. Go us ><

It's the nature of a group discussion. I'm not able to listen to it yet and a lot of people are probably in the same boat.

[Vaeliorin]

WTB Official Podcast Transcript, PST. (it serves as a request and a qunari = draenei joke. I'm multi-tasking here.)

Anyway, since no one seems to be commenting on the podcast...

Who thought it was a good idea to hire an art lead who admits to loving what other people hate?

Also...are WoW and Gears of War really considered competitors of DA2?

Honestly, I'm not to bothered by the art I've seen so far (other than the hurlocks and the human/dwarf females in that concept art. The human female just appears to be poorly drawn and has...something...on her chin, and the female dwarf is starting to be a bit too Lineage 2 for my taste) and I actually rather like the environmental concept art.

I'll have to see more actual in-game art before I can really form an opinion about the overall art changes.

Modifié par Vaeliorin, 05 août 2010 - 08:07 .

[RogueWriter3201]

Needless to say not everyone is pleased with the concept art. I, for one, am very much pleased. There really feels like a distinctive difference between the races now. They don't just look like big and small versions of ******-sapiens.

-The Qunari look more aggressive, like a people who originated from a violent, survivalist locale.

-The Elven race now possesses more of a feral, feline like form; one could even surmise that unlike Human origins from Primates, the Elven people decended from jungle predators or a more stealthy, lithe species.

-The Dwarves acutally *look* like a race which has rarely seen the sun, but demonstrate the iron and stone like nature of their surroundings.

I won't bother arguing with those still decrying every last change to the Look of Dragon Age, I will simply say that every new piece of concept art creates a great degree of anticipation for me. One question, however. We've seen a female Qunari now, so...does this mean Female Qunari Companion/Love interest? Now *That* would be something...and slightly painful...
 

[Tora Panthera]

So... Na'Vi elves and draenei qunaries, space age 2? XD

Nah, seriously, they look good, but why does their clothes look Japanese, or is it just me?

[Sable Rhapsody]

Vaeliorin wrote...

WTB Official Podcast Transcript, PST. (it serves as a request and a qunari = draenei joke. I'm multi-tasking here.)

Anyway, since no one seems to be commenting on the podcast...

Who thought it was a good idea to hire an art lead who admits to loving what other people hate?

Honestly, I'm not to bothered by the art I've seen so far (other than the hurlocks and the human/dwarf females in that concept art. The human female just appears to be poorly drawn and has...something...on her chin, and the female dwarf is starting to be a bit too Lineage 2 for my taste) and I actually rather like the environmental concept art.

I'll have to see more actual in-game art before I can really form an opinion about the overall art changes.

*snerk*  Oh, you mean Matt's whole spiel on his contrarian nature.  Eh.  I thought it was just a segue into him talking about that really oppressive, monolithic architecture.  And the concept art that I've really liked so far for DA2 was the environment art, so no complaints about that.  

[Daerog]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Soo...we're discussing Hawke's name and WoW. And...not the other 15-odd minutes of podcast. Go us ><

Just over 19 minutes. It was very well done and I can't wait for some gameplay videos that show how all the different rigs look. Probably after the 17th. Also, I'm completely interested in how the other companions will look with the new design, the nonhuman ones I mean.

[Victor Wachter]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Vaeliorin wrote...

WTB Official Podcast Transcript, PST. (it serves as a request and a qunari = draenei joke. I'm multi-tasking here.)

Anyway, since no one seems to be commenting on the podcast...

Who thought it was a good idea to hire an art lead who admits to loving what other people hate?

Honestly, I'm not to bothered by the art I've seen so far (other than the hurlocks and the human/dwarf females in that concept art. The human female just appears to be poorly drawn and has...something...on her chin, and the female dwarf is starting to be a bit too Lineage 2 for my taste) and I actually rather like the environmental concept art.

I'll have to see more actual in-game art before I can really form an opinion about the overall art changes.

*snerk*  Oh, you mean Matt's whole spiel on his contrarian nature.  Eh.  I thought it was just a segue into him talking about that really oppressive, monolithic architecture.  And the concept art that I've really liked so far for DA2 was the environment art, so no complaints about that.  

I can't speak for Matt, but I like the contrarian statement. It speaks to someone who has trained himself to spend time learning about things that others might not. Hopefully, we see it play out in the ownable art style that he discusses.

[joriandrake]

Vaeliorin wrote...

WTB Official Podcast Transcript, PST. (it serves as a request and a qunari = draenei joke. I'm multi-tasking here.)

Anyway, since no one seems to be commenting on the podcast...

Who thought it was a good idea to hire an art lead who admits to loving what other people hate?

Also...are WoW and Gears of War really considered competitors of DA2?

Honestly, I'm not to bothered by the art I've seen so far (other than the hurlocks and the human/dwarf females in that concept art. The human female just appears to be poorly drawn and has...something...on her chin, and the female dwarf is starting to be a bit too Lineage 2 for my taste) and I actually rather like the environmental concept art.

I'll have to see more actual in-game art before I can really form an opinion about the overall art changes.

on the chin I think that is a tattoo similar to some appearing in recent Star Wars creations

[joriandrake]

Malira wrote...

So... Na'Vi elves and draenei qunaries, space age 2? XD
Nah, seriously, they look good, but why does their clothes look Japanese, or is it just me?

they have a certain asian or ancient hellenic/latin touch to them, true

[namedforthemoon]

I love it. Can't wait for the demo, and can't wait to play the game!



I really like the look of the Qunari female. It would be awesome if we could play and explore the Qunari race in a future Dragon Age game.

[Sable Rhapsody]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Soo...we're discussing Hawke's name and WoW. And...not the other 15-odd minutes of podcast. Go us ><

Just over 19 minutes. It was very well done and I can't wait for some gameplay videos that show how all the different rigs look. Probably after the 17th. Also, I'm completely interested in how the other companions will look with the new design, the nonhuman ones I mean.

I wonder if the different rigs will be obvious enough where it'll spill over into gestures, battle animations, etc.  Or if it'll just be a more subtle thing that gets rid of the she-hulk walks and some of the more awkward postures for PCs who aren't a human male.  Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Victor Wachter wrote...
I can't speak for Matt, but I like the contrarian statement. It speaks to someone who has trained himself to spend time learning about things that others might not. Hopefully, we see it play out in the ownable art style that he discusses.

I suppose that's a good point.  Lets you draw from a broader pool of knowledge when designing things.  And again, so far I've found the architectural concept art full of win, so props to Matt for that.  Though as for an "ownable" art style, I honestly think y'all are fighting an uphill battle there.  The market is so saturated with sword n' board fantasy, of the high, low, dark, chartreuse, and bright pink varieties, that I think a clean, attractive art style is probably as good as it gets unless you want to go super-stylized a la WoW.  

[Tora Panthera]

We've gotten the male default name. Bioware don't be sexiest and give us the female too! X3

No...?

[Victor Wachter]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

With all respect for Victor Wachter and the work the Dev team does - I would like to point out that this search for a new Dragon Age style has made Dragon Age look like every other game out there.

Feedback, whether pro or con, is always welcome.

And i simply thinks he's wrong when he says that people couldn't identify Dragon Age Origins from a few photos, DA-O had a very distinctive style that is now replaced by what seems like a hybrid of WoW and the Teen-Titans cartoon, And in my book that's a really sad thing.

Though i hope i change my mind when i see more pictures.

As a fan of animation (not anime, think Disney, DC Comics animation, etc.), I don't think it goes all the way to the Teen Titans or even the WoW side of things. The models are stylized, but not so far away from realism as your examples. The color palette will make a big difference too.

We have months to go, and therefore more images to help you form your opinion between now and then.

[Anarya]

Malira wrote...

We've gotten the male default name. Bioware don't be sexiest and give us the female too! X3
No...?

Yes I can see why you may not have wanted to say it on the podcast (to avoid confusion with marketing and whatever), but we're all diehards here. Show some love for the ladies, please.

[Bryy_Miller]

Malira wrote...

We've gotten the male default name. Bioware don't be sexiest and give us the female too! X3
No...?

It's Hawke for both, isn't it? Please don't bring up ridiculous charges of sexism over simple issues.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 05 août 2010 - 08:25 .

[joriandrake]

Hm, I do have a few concerns but they have to wait until we see ingame how races look like, also, having anime for comparison is nothing bad, afterall Teen Titans (using your example) is also anime, just as Avatar TLA, or Oban Star Racers (although that one has an unique art style), and anime can vary greatly in style, like those from Cowboy Bebop and 12 Kingdoms to the things like Pokémon and such. I can say it that the western art style greatly moved towards the style of anime in the last 2 decades

[Tora Panthera]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Malira wrote...

We've gotten the male default name. Bioware don't be sexiest and give us the female too! X3
No...?

It's Hawke for both, isn't it? Please don't bring up ridiculous charges of sexism over simple issues.

The sexism was a joke, and I mean the first name, it's mentioned in the podcast.

[Vaeliorin]

Victor Wachter wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Vaeliorin wrote...
WTB Official Podcast Transcript, PST. (it serves as a request and a qunari = draenei joke. I'm multi-tasking here.)

Anyway, since no one seems to be commenting on the podcast...

Who thought it was a good idea to hire an art lead who admits to loving what other people hate?

Honestly, I'm not to bothered by the art I've seen so far (other than the hurlocks and the human/dwarf females in that concept art. The human female just appears to be poorly drawn and has...something...on her chin, and the female dwarf is starting to be a bit too Lineage 2 for my taste) and I actually rather like the environmental concept art.

I'll have to see more actual in-game art before I can really form an opinion about the overall art changes.

*snerk*  Oh, you mean Matt's whole spiel on his contrarian nature.  Eh.  I thought it was just a segue into him talking about that really oppressive, monolithic architecture.  And the concept art that I've really liked so far for DA2 was the environment art, so no complaints about that.  

I can't speak for Matt, but I like the contrarian statement. It speaks to someone who has trained himself to spend time learning about things that others might not. Hopefully, we see it play out in the ownable art style that he discusses.

I was thinking of it more on a level of designing for a mass market, yet loving things that most people hate seems kind of like working at cross purposes.

Like I said, I generally like the artwork I've seen (with a few notable exceptions), but I realize that I apparently have somewhat idiosyncratic tastes, so I can't extrapolate from my own opinions to a mass opinion, which is important for the success of the game.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Malira wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Malira wrote...

We've gotten the male default name. Bioware don't be sexiest and give us the female too! X3
No...?

It's Hawke for both, isn't it? Please don't bring up ridiculous charges of sexism over simple issues.

The sexism was a joke, and I mean the first name, it's mentioned in the podcast.

Garrett Hawke.  It certainly sounds less stupid than some of my contributions on a very early joke thread.  The Artist Formerly Known As Hawke, Black Hawke, Star Hawke...

[CaisLaochach]

I think the 'new direction' stuff looks pretty cool actually...



And am I alone in thinking the new Qunari look much much more interesting than the original in Sten?

[SoR82]

Hmm interesting they say we are going in our own direction then use thsoe stupid night elf ears and the dwarfs suddenly resemble warhammers dwarfs.... coincidence?

[Anarya]

ClaomhScathach wrote...

I think the 'new direction' stuff looks pretty cool actually...

And am I alone in thinking the new Qunari look much much more interesting than the original in Sten?

No I think you're very much not alone. It seems like this piece of concept art is getting a better reception than the first Qunari one. Or maybe the haters are just AFK at the moment, I don't know.

[joriandrake]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Malira wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Malira wrote...

We've gotten the male default name. Bioware don't be sexiest and give us the female too! X3
No...?

It's Hawke for both, isn't it? Please don't bring up ridiculous charges of sexism over simple issues.

The sexism was a joke, and I mean the first name, it's mentioned in the podcast.

Garrett Hawke.  It certainly sounds less stupid than some of my contributions on a very early joke thread.  The Artist Formerly Known As Hawke, Black Hawke, Star Hawke...

Moh Hawke and Ebon Hawke


... still, I am unable atm to listen to the podcast, we don't have a predetermined unchangeable first name I hope?

[mellifera]

SoR82 wrote...

Hmm interesting they say we are going in our own direction then use thsoe stupid night elf ears and the dwarfs suddenly resemble warhammers dwarfs.... coincidence?

Oh come on. The ears may stick out a bit more but they're nothing near that exaggerated <_<