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[Brockololly]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Havent they already said they are NOT done with Morrigan?

We sure did! I think I was asked about a hundred times at Comic Con, and the answer's always the same: "We're not done with Morrigan's story."

Thats nice Mike, but what about the Warden and Morrigan's story? If you did the DR or had your Warden romance Morrigan and made an Old God Baby, isn't that something best dealt with by the Warden? The person who best knows Morrigan? After all, the DR is a 2 way street- its created the OGB, but also keeps the Wardens alive.

I don't mean to sound dickish, but at least having Morrigan show up in DA2 only to have Hawke deal with her is a bit like having some randow Jawa confront Darth Vader in Empire Strikes Back instead of Luke- the past history between the Warden and Morrigan is prime stuff to be played with in the future IMO.

Modifié par Brockololly, 06 août 2010 - 12:53 .

[Nighwolfa]

Brockololly wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Havent they already said they are NOT done with Morrigan?

We sure did! I think I was asked about a hundred times at Comic Con, and the answer's always the same: "We're not done with Morrigan's story."

Thats nice Mike, but what about the Warden and Morrigan's story? If you did the DR or had your Warden romance Morrigan and made an Old God Baby, isn't that something best dealt with by the Warden? The person who best knows Morrigan?

I don't mean to sound dickish, but at least having Morrigan show up in DA2 only to have Hawke deal with her is a bit like having some randow Jawa confront Darth Vader in Empire Strikes Back instead of Luke- the past history between the Warden and Morrigan is prime stuff to be played with in the future IMO.

Agreed, also morrigan and the warden make for one powerfull team.

[thenemesis77]

my thing is this, do you really want Mike or David to tell you who all is in the game? I mean would that not let all the cats out of the bad, I do like some "WOW" moments, don't want it all hand fed to me, but like the OP said, if I did know I would get the Collectors Edition but hell I have a guy at my local gamespot that has me down for one either way.

[thenemesis77]

Nighwolfa wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Havent they already said they are NOT done with Morrigan?

We sure did! I think I was asked about a hundred times at Comic Con, and the answer's always the same: "We're not done with Morrigan's story."

Thats nice Mike, but what about the Warden and Morrigan's story? If you did the DR or had your Warden romance Morrigan and made an Old God Baby, isn't that something best dealt with by the Warden? The person who best knows Morrigan?

I don't mean to sound dickish, but at least having Morrigan show up in DA2 only to have Hawke deal with her is a bit like having some randow Jawa confront Darth Vader in Empire Strikes Back instead of Luke- the past history between the Warden and Morrigan is prime stuff to be played with in the future IMO.

Agreed, also morrigan and the warden make for one powerfull team.

IF they ever come out witht the one above, I will buy it up in a heartbeat! I love both of these characters, best ever!

[UndercoverDoctor]

Morrigan sucks.

[SDNcN]

Brockololly wrote...

Thats nice Mike, but what about the Warden and Morrigan's story? If you did the DR or had your Warden romance Morrigan and made an Old God Baby, isn't that something best dealt with by the Warden? The person who best knows Morrigan? After all, the DR is a 2 way street- its created the OGB, but also keeps the Wardens alive.

I don't mean to sound dickish, but at least having Morrigan show up in DA2 only to have Hawke deal with her is a bit like having some randow Jawa confront Darth Vader in Empire Strikes Back instead of Luke- the past history between the Warden and Morrigan is prime stuff to be played with in the future IMO.

As much as I'd like the Warden to gain some closure with Morrigan, the idea of the Warden/Alistiar/Lohgain living out the rest of their lives wondering what horror they might have unleashed upon the world, is pretty awesome ending to their role in her story.

Modifié par SDNcN, 06 août 2010 - 01:00 .

[Nighwolfa]

I think the general concensus is for them to finish the storyline and perhaps do something further with the original warden and "Morrigan" sort of a carry-on from the original DA, does the warden catch up with morrigan, does he get to meet the child of that night, where do they go from here,does the child turn out to be of great evil. theres alot of untapped stuff here

*excuse any spelling or typo's it is 2am :*( sorry*

Modifié par Nighwolfa, 06 août 2010 - 01:04 .

[thenemesis77]

Brockololly wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Havent they already said they are NOT done with Morrigan?

We sure did! I think I was asked about a hundred times at Comic Con, and the answer's always the same: "We're not done with Morrigan's story."

Thats nice Mike, but what about the Warden and Morrigan's story? If you did the DR or had your Warden romance Morrigan and made an Old God Baby, isn't that something best dealt with by the Warden? The person who best knows Morrigan? After all, the DR is a 2 way street- its created the OGB, but also keeps the Wardens alive.

I don't mean to sound dickish, but at least having Morrigan show up in DA2 only to have Hawke deal with her is a bit like having some randow Jawa confront Darth Vader in Empire Strikes Back instead of Luke- the past history between the Warden and Morrigan is prime stuff to be played with in the future IMO.

I feel the same on that, it would feel so emty.

[Dave of Canada]

Brockololly wrote...

Thats nice Mike, but what about the Warden and Morrigan's story? If you did the DR or had your Warden romance Morrigan and made an Old God Baby, isn't that something best dealt with by the Warden? The person who best knows Morrigan? After all, the DR is a 2 way street- its created the OGB, but also keeps the Wardens alive.

The Warden survives, he's a miracle and lives his life in fame before Ferelden instead of dying and being remembered as a hero. That was the reward of the Dark Ritual, if you're not wanting to die then you don't have to. The story, while interesting for the want of closure, shouldn't be ended by the Warden.

The chances of the Warden finding Morrigan in all of Thedas with no way to determine what way she went is pretty far fetched, the Warden could be heading south deeper into the wilds while Morrigan actually went north for example. The Warden will forever be haunted by whatever they've done with Morrigan and forever wonder what happened to his (her) lover (or friend, depending on circumstance).

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 06 août 2010 - 01:05 .

[Nighwolfa]

Does the child be born, only to turn out to be extremely evil, more evil than they have previously seen does morrigan get more than she realised.

[thenemesis77]

Nighwolfa wrote...

I think the general concensus is for them to finish the storyline and perhaps do something further with the original warden and "Morrigan" sort of a carry-on from the original DA, does the warden catch up with morrigan, does he get to meet the child of that night, where do they go from here,does the child turn out to be of great evil. theres alot of untapped stuff here

*excuse any spelling or typo's it is 2am :*( sorry*

I know after DAA, I went to look for her, so it would be cool to see what she is up to, but she did say it would not be wise to do so.  I know my Warden is tuff stuff but our god baby may attack the Warden, lol.

[Nighwolfa]

Tainted Godchild

[phaonica]

Dave of Canada wrote...

The chances of the Warden finding Morrigan in all of Thedas with no way to determine what way she went is pretty far fetched, the Warden could be heading south deeper into the wilds while Morrigan actually went north for example. The Warden will forever be haunted by whatever they've done with Morrigan and forever wonder what happened to his (her) lover (or friend, depending on circumstance).

Except that if the OGB or Morrigan are some kind of *big news* in DA2, it could be pretty far fetched to think that the Warden would not be able to find them. If the Warden heard some news about some shapeshifting dragon witches in the Free Marches, s/he might consider investigating.

[Dave of Canada]

phaonica wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

The chances of the Warden finding Morrigan in all of Thedas with no way to determine what way she went is pretty far fetched, the Warden could be heading south deeper into the wilds while Morrigan actually went north for example. The Warden will forever be haunted by whatever they've done with Morrigan and forever wonder what happened to his (her) lover (or friend, depending on circumstance).

Except that if the OGB or Morrigan are some kind of *big news* in DA2, it could be pretty far fetched to think that the Warden would not be able to find them. If the Warden heard some news about some shapeshifting dragon witches in the Free Marches, s/he might consider investigating.

But the chances of news of a shapeshifter reaching across the continent are pretty low and I'm pretty sure Morrigan would prefer to keep a low profile instead of parading around.

[Nighwolfa]

" The Warden can declare that they will find Morrigan. " taken from Dragon Age wiki, maybe they will find her but to what conciquence.

Modifié par Nighwolfa, 06 août 2010 - 01:16 .

[SirOccam]

If it is the writers' intent that Morrigan's story necessarily outlives the Warden's, then all I ask is that they give us another "ultimate sacrifice" opportunity before the end of our Warden's story. All this unanswered, unresolved, wandering in limbo stuff is not very satisfying. "If it is our end, then let us make such an end as to be worthy of remembrance" and so forth.

[Brockololly]

Dave of Canada wrote...
The Warden survives, he's a miracle and lives his life in fame before Ferelden instead of dying and being remembered as a hero. That was the reward of the Dark Ritual, if you're not wanting to die then you don't have to. The story, while interesting for the want of closure, shouldn't be ended by the Warden.

If BioWare is all about big choices and big consequences, the DR is a 2 way street- the Warden surviving should ideally be just as big of an event as the possible OGB. Both are things that presumably have never happened before in Thedas- ever. Whats the point in having the reward of playing as the Warden again when its relegated to being some empty avatar that only functions to slash up more darkspawn in Awakening or in some tiny DLC? and not to directly deal with the circumstances that have kept him/her alive?

The point, in my view, in having the Warden survive is that he/she can go on to do great, awesome things. And one of those things would be to find Morrigan- why give the Warden the option in the game to repeatedly say he'll go looking for her and search for her, if we never have the chance to do so? I mean, the Warden single handedly stopped a freakin' Blight before it even started and now we're supposed to buy in to the fact that he can't find Morrigan, especially when he likely has a magical GPS ring? And that possibly Morrigan feels sorrow and regret for leaving? Please. If the Warden never meets up with Morrigan again, its the Plot Hammer of Doom at work, just like you were gimped RP wise in the DR scene.

And any Morrigan/Warden reunion wouldn't have to be the end of Morrigan- maybe the Warden finds her to say goodbye as he goes off on his Calling, seeing his kid and lover for the first and last time respectively. Maybe Morrigan hands the OGB off to the Warden so she can go do whatever it is in DA2 and not be burdened by caring for a kid...

Dave of Canada wrote...
The chances of the Warden finding Morrigan in all of Thedas with no way to determine what way she went is pretty far fetched, the Warden could be heading south deeper into the wilds while Morrigan actually went north for example. The Warden will forever be haunted by whatever they've done with Morrigan and forever wonder what happened to his (her) lover (or friend, depending on circumstance).

Except for the fact that you possibly have a magic GPS ring and in all of the epilogues, Morrigan goes west towards Orlais. And in the Awakening epilogue where the Warden searches for Morrigan, the Warden *gasp* goes west towards Orlais. All I'm saying is that if the writers ditch the Warden to some lame fate of being lost in Thedas, well thats rubbish. It would be like saying Frodo and Sam took a bad turn towards the West and got lost, never able to find Mount Doom. Story over.

Modifié par Brockololly, 06 août 2010 - 01:26 .

[Tooneyman]

I've got a question, Why won't you finish morrigan's story all this arguing and bickering is just plain insane. Its like bioware enjoys every moment in tormenting us with morrigans story. They will tell you about flemeth, but when it comes to morrigan its so hush hush. Yeah, keep grueling.

[SDNcN]

phaonica wrote...

Except that if the OGB or Morrigan are some kind of *big news* in DA2, it could be pretty far fetched to think that the Warden would not be able to find them. If the Warden heard some news about some shapeshifting dragon witches in the Free Marches, s/he might consider investigating.

If this is the case I'd like to see my Warden appear somewhere in the Free Marches, preferably half insane and ranting about how his child is a horrible monster. Or he could so terrified of what he has just discoved he is rendered mute. That way I don't have to hear people complain about their Warden having a voice.

The point, in my view, in having the Warden
survive is that he/she can go on to do great, awesome things. And one of
those things would be to find Morrigan- why give the Warden the option
in the game to repeatedly say he'll go looking for her and search for
her, if we never have the chance to do so? I mean, the Warden single
handedly stopped a freakin' Blight before it even started and now we're
supposed to buy in to the fact that he can't find Morrigan, especially
when he likely has a magical GPS ring? And that possibly Morrigan feels
sorrow and regret for leaving? Please. If the Warden never meets up with
Morrigan again, its the Plot Hammer of Doom at work, just like you were
gimped RP wise in the DR scene.

Just because there is a shift of protagonist between games, it doesn't mean the older character will cease to have a role in the setting. It is pretty common in PnP for players to reach a certain point with their characters, retire them, and start a new campaign with different characters. The former PCs becoming background characters like kings, generals, or gods.

Modifié par SDNcN, 06 août 2010 - 01:38 .

[Brockololly]

SirOccam wrote...

If it is the writers' intent that Morrigan's story necessarily outlives the Warden's, then all I ask is that they give us another "ultimate sacrifice" opportunity before the end of our Warden's story. All this unanswered, unresolved, wandering in limbo stuff is not very satisfying. "If it is our end, then let us make such an end as to be worthy of remembrance" and so forth.

RIght- its a matter of closure really. If the intent was just that the Warden ride off into the sunset, then give us a badass riding off into the sunset moment. Or if  our Warden is tirelessly searching for Morrigan, let us find her only to say goodbye as they go off to their Calling. Just something better than a damned powerpoint slide! Come on. BioWare!

[Nighwolfa]

Alot of valid points there .. esp the ring and the warden managing to survive the slaying of the archdemon.. If he was to live for great things, lets see them

[Mike Laidlaw]

Brockololly wrote...

I don't mean to sound dickish, but at least having Morrigan show up in DA2 only to have Hawke deal with her is a bit like having some randow Jawa confront Darth Vader in Empire Strikes Back instead of Luke- the past history between the Warden and Morrigan is prime stuff to be played with in the future IMO.

So, you're saying I should cut any references to Morrigan from DA2? Wow. That, sir, is a brave thing to request. It's like unleashing the hounds!

At this point all I can say is that I personally do not believe the Morrigan fans will be disappointed by what the future has in store.

[The Edge]

Yes, I would love some closure with the whole Warden/Morgan romance.



I'm just speculating, but what if Hawke's tale is meant to set up DA3? (ok, almost every tale sets up a sequel, but hear me out). What if in DA3 you had to choose between the Warden or Hawke as a main character?



It's a stretch, I know, considering the dialogue system would be out of wack between a voiced and non-voiced protagonist, but wouldn't it be cool? Perhaps Hawke's life is at stake because of whether or not we as players chose the DR... (again, this is speculation and wishful thinking!)

[Nighwolfa]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Havent they already said they are NOT done with Morrigan?

We sure did! I think I was asked about a hundred times at Comic Con, and the answer's always the same: "We're not done with Morrigan's story."

I really hope they live up to this. as the dragon age community has voiced, they want more 

[The Edge]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

I don't mean to sound dickish, but at least having Morrigan show up in DA2 only to have Hawke deal with her is a bit like having some randow Jawa confront Darth Vader in Empire Strikes Back instead of Luke- the past history between the Warden and Morrigan is prime stuff to be played with in the future IMO.

So, you're saying I should cut any references to Morrigan from DA2? Wow. That, sir, is a brave thing to request. It's like unleashing the hounds!

At this point all I can say is that I personally do not believe the Morrigan fans will be disappointed by what the future has in store.

And for that, we thank you