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[Josh Echo]

Okay, I'm on my ninth playthrough of Mass Effect and I keep noticing that I keep getting free skill points put into Charm and Intimidate as my Paragon and Renegade bars rise.  But it seems to be limited to three points per playthrough.  Now, this means that if you never put any points into Charm and Intimidate, you'll eventually maximize both of them (after four Paragon playthroughs and four Renegade playthroughs on the same character) and end up with twenty-four extra skill points to put into other skills.

But I'm confused about how and when these points are given.  At first I thought that it was one Charm point given every time you received a certain number of Paragon points, but later it seemed that they were given at set points in the game (for instance, the two major plot events which cause changes in your skillset).  But after this many playthroughs, neither of those suggestions seem correct.  It now seems to me that the three points are put into Charm, one at a time, when you reach three certain levels of Paragon points, rather than being given per number of Paragon points.

Thoughts?  No spoilers, please; note that I took care to refrain from mentioning what the two plot points were that I mentioned.

[Shotokanguy]

What makes you think you get 24 extra points? I suppose you could think of it that way if you want, but it really doesn't work that way.

[Josh Echo]

On every play-through, you get three free points to Charm if you maximize your Paragon. Same goes for Intimidate and Renegade. If you use the same character, they add up.  Try it.

This means that the points you would have put into Charm, Renegade, or both, are now free to be put into other things.  It's not like it forces you to put three of your normal skill points into Charm; those three are free.

Twenty four points is the total number of extra points possible on one charcter—three Charm or Renegade on each play-through for a total of twelve in Charm and twelve in Intimidate.  Actually, it could take less than eight play-throughs, since you can get three points in Charm and one or more in Renegade as well on the same play-through.

Modifié par Josh Echo, 06 août 2010 - 08:25 .

[PWENER]

Josh Echo wrote...

Okay, I'm on my ninth playthrough of Mass Effect and I keep noticing that I keep getting free skill points put into Charm and Intimidate as my Paragon and Renegade bars rise.  But it seems to be limited to three points per playthrough.  Now, this means that if you never put any points into Charm and Intimidate, you'll eventually maximize both of them (after four Paragon playthroughs and four Renegade playthroughs on the same character) and end up with twenty-four extra skill points to put into other skills.

But I'm confused about how and when these points are given.  At first I thought that it was one Charm point given every time you received a certain number of Paragon points, but later it seemed that they were given at set points in the game (for instance, the two major plot events which cause changes in your skillset).  But after this many playthroughs, neither of those suggestions seem correct.  It now seems to me that the three points are put into Charm, one at a time, when you reach three certain levels of Paragon points, rather than being given per number of Paragon points.

Thoughts?  No spoilers, please; note that I took care to refrain from mentioning what the two plot points were that I mentioned.

Modifié par PWENER, 06 août 2010 - 08:30 .

[Josh Echo]

Um, check the post times before making accusations. I wrote this thread two hours before you suggested the idea in my other thread. I wrote it first, in other words. If anyone were to be making suggestions of "stealing" ideas, it should be me. But I'm not, because—unlike you—I'm going to assume that you didn't see my post before posting yours, instead of assuming that you deliberately "stole" "my" idea.

Modifié par Josh Echo, 06 août 2010 - 08:29 .

[PWENER]

Ooops, sorry man. My bad.

[Josh Echo]

[nod] Can't say I blame you for assuming the worst—especially on an Internet forum.

[PWENER]

Thanks for being so cool about it. Most people aren't... like me.

[caradoc2000]

You can get up to four free charm/intimidate points per playthrough.

[Josh Echo]

Are you sure it's four? I've never gotten more than three, even on characters where every decision is ... oh, wait! Now that I think about it, I don't know if I've ever done a character where every decision is Paragon, or every decision is Renegade. Thanks for the tip! My current character is Paragon-only, so I guess I'll be able to test it out.

[Josh Echo]

Modifié par Josh Echo, 06 août 2010 - 09:08 .

[Super ._. Shepard]

i have only gotten 3

[caradoc2000]

Four points.



Since this is a non-spoiler forum, I won't post details here, but you can read about them at the Wiki.

[Super ._. Shepard]

i cant remember

[Josh Echo]

Thanks, Caradoc2000.

[desala]

well, three based on morality percentage and one in each for gaining spectre status. The reason you're probably not seeing your extra point showing up when you expect is your DLC, which *is* counted.

[Josh Echo]

I'm not sure what you mean about the D.L.C., Desala. Bear in mind that I've never played any of the downloadable content or Mass Effect 2, so if spoilers are involved in your explanation, I very much want to not hear it.

[desala]

I mean that the bonus points are granted when you achieve a certain percentage of your three-hundred-and-something point morality bar.  Some DLC have a lot of points available, so the moment you get the DLC mission, the requirements for the charm (or intimidate) freebies increases.

But as you say, you don't have any, so it doesn't matter.

There are most definitely four free points available in each of charm and intimidate per play through - three tied to morality and one to the plot. By your third go round with the same character, it is possible to have both charm and intimidate full up, without spending a single point. Optimal play ftw.

edited for clarification.  sigh.

Modifié par desala, 07 août 2010 - 02:10 .

[Josh Echo]

Ah, I see. Very good, thanks.

[Gildenlock]

ya i've done this

[Josh Echo]

Hmm—in the other thread on this subject, someone said that the four free Charm points come with one each at 25%, 50%, and 75% Paragon points, and one after becoming a SPECTRE. But I just passed 50% Paragon points with no new Charm point. I even had an "open slot" for it (my Charm wasn't maximized or even full as far as I am able to fill it at the moment). Does it matter that I've already put a bunch of points into Charm on this character (for a total of eight, out of a possible ten at the moment, out of the total twelve)?



Which brings up another question: if you've filled Charm as far as it will go at the moment (ten out of ten, for instance), and you receive a bonus point, will that point be lost or will it be added once a new space is made available?

[desala]

There is no point for 50%. It is 10%, 25%, 75%.

[Lumikki]

There is zero point to put points in both of them, unless you are totally neutral. Meaning both of them solves the situations. So if you are paragon forget in Intimidate and if you are renegade forger charm.

[Josh Echo]

desala wrote...

There is no point for 50%. It is 10%, 25%, 75%.

Ah, thanks.