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[Arijharn]

It's quite obvious that Anora isn't capable of child birth, so there's no point in her maintaining her position. This is why Cailain was writing (saucy) letters to Celeste I. She is a very competent administrator of course, but one of the the responsibility's of the royal family is to ensure future generations.

Celeste I does make a certain amount of sense, although I'd wager it's perhaps too soon in the present political climate. If Alistair was being prudent, he'd have to 'exile' his wife to a comfortable villa somewhere and take a new one.

[burrito]

Yea, I can see Alistair naming the child of the Warden and Leliana his heir makes senses. Anora over childbearing age it seems so having him marry her is pointless.

[burrito]

So I looked up my studies on monarchy, and the closest leliana would get to the throne is if she had a child and Alistair was King. Alistair as King put Leliana and the Warden in a good position if they remain in court. As Alistair prolly wont have a heir, whats better then the child his best friend, who pretty much rules the nation while he is gone? but what would that make Leliana if her child was made the next monarch? sorry monarch isn't one of my strong points. lol

[Games4ever]

Leliana is without any doubt the most boring I've ever encountered in any game.

don't hope she pops up in DA2!!

[Bobad]

Indoctrination wrote...

Bobad wrote...

No, Cromwell established a Republican Commonwealth, which was a positive

How was it a positive? The only reason he rejected the Crown when it was offered to him by parliament was because as Lord Protector he wasn't bound by any of the limitations of the crown like agreements similar to the Magna Carta. By being a Republican he was able to be an absolute tyrant.

Well I believe my full comment was..

Bobad wrote...

No, Cromwell established a Republican Commonwealth, which was a positive, being an early christian form of the Taliban?, not so positive.

The intonation being that the initial founding of the republic was to wrest power from a hereditery monarchy to an elected office, if only elected by a very select few, I am well aware of Cromwell's demonstrable puritanical zealotry & some would say genocidal disposition, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I  am biased as an anti-monarchist and freely admit as much, however Cromwell is far from universely despised,
at number 10 here just behind Horatio Nelson.

http://en.wikipedia....reatest_Britons

I hate to quote wikipedia as anything approaching quantifiable evidence but it's the most definitive listing of the BBC poll conducted.

Arguments could be made infinitum over controversial historical figures, and I concede the points given against to be equal if not better than my own.

Apologies for the late reply, I've been at work.



Still Leliana would be a foxy Queen.

Modifié par Bobad, 08 août 2010 - 01:28 .

[burrito]

Interesting article. Guess Yeoman's where rising with the end of feudal society.

[nisallik]

Sorry, every time I hear about Cromwell I always think of the song Monty Python made about him.

[burrito]

LOL

gotta like monty python

[HighMoon]

How many countries in Thedas have Monarchies anyway? Obviously Fereldan. From what I know about Orlais it seems it might have something similar as well, with Empress Celene ruling the lands.

Modifié par Golden-Rose, 08 août 2010 - 02:04 .

[SirGladiator]

I think it definitely should've been an option. Certainly as the hero of Ferelden you should've been able to take the throne if you so chose to do so, and whoever you were with romanticly (which of course would be Leliana for me) should be able to serve at your side. Of course I like Anora, but she certainly wouldn't have remotely the same support from the people that the Hero of Ferelden would have, there's no way that you should have to marry her to be on the throne if you'd rather marry Leliana and rule with her. Sure the folks wouldn't like that Leliana was from Orlais, but it's not like she would be the one in charge, you would be, they'd accept her gratefully if it meant being ruled by their Hero.

[Bobad]

I would like to see the Archons of Tevinter as an equivalent to the real world Archons of Athens

[burrito]

All I know is Celene killed a few Uncles to get the throne.

[i love lamp x3]

Games4ever wrote...

Leliana is without any doubt the most boring I've ever encountered in any game.
don't hope she pops up in DA2!!

you bite your tongue! bite it!

[Saibh]

Okay. I don't know if this has been said before, and I feel shallow saying it, but if my non-royal Warden isn't allowed to be queen, the Orlesian commoner assassin/bard isn't.



I completely and totally understand why not-Cousland PC can't be queen, but I'm just sayin'.

[AllThatJazz]

nisallik wrote...

Sorry, every time I hear about Cromwell I always think of the song Monty Python made about him.

This song is the sole reason why I know when Cromwell was born and died. Born in 1599, died in 1658 (September) 

Anyway, re: Leliana - I think not. There is no way the nobles would accept someone of part Orlesian ancestry on the throne so soon after the occupation. Even if she was one of the group who defeated the Archdemon. There'd be war, first. If Alistair/Anora/Noble Warden were all out of the picture, and no more of Maric's bastards turned up (King Anders, anyone?), the throne would probably default to Fergus Cousland.

Shame, really - a bonkers, Maker-fearing, shoe-obsessed Orlesian assassin would make a great queen!

[burrito]

well, it sounds like the older generations of Fereldans have a bitterness towards each other, a younger generation,(Celene and Cailen for example) know its a thing of the past, though Celene is spying on Fereldan.



Cromwell atleast founded the New Model Army. lol

[Stormghost]

It would be funnier to see Morrigan return as a cackling witch-queen, turning people who object to her rule into frogs!

[Aedan_Cousland]

No.

Your whole claim to the throne of Ferelden is linked to your marriage to Anora. Somehow getting rid of her would no doubt launch Ferelden into another civil war, as she was the Queen Regnant and you a King Consort. (she trumps you in authority) You'd be seen as a usurper, and rightly opposed by many of the banns. Also the fact that the new queen is culturally Orlesian and partially Orlesian by ethnic heritage isn't likely to go over well in many quarters.

So I don't believe we'll be hearing about Queen Leliana in the sequel. If your Warden became Anora's King Consort and was romancing Leliana, he'll likely still be King Consort during Hawke's rise to power and still married to Anora. At best Leliana remains a mistress.

It is possible however that Leliana could give birth to a son that inherits the throne. It all depends on how many legitimate heirs and spares Anora produces, or if any survive to claim the throne. They'd have a more legitimate claim to the throne than any bastards sired by the Warden of course.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 08 août 2010 - 06:15 .

[burrito]

Cousland popularity vs the Daughter of a traitor

[Aedan_Cousland]

burrito wrote...

Cousland popularity vs the Daughter of a traitor

Anora is enormously popular in Ferelden which is part of the reason why she is the best option for true peace. (either through marriage to Alistair, the Warden, or sole rule as Queen) If Alistair rules alone there is unrest in the kingdom.

You can't get rid of Anora without there being negative consequences.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 08 août 2010 - 07:52 .

[Bobad]

Arijharn wrote...

It's quite obvious that Anora isn't capable of child birth, so there's no point in her maintaining her position. This is why Cailain was writing (saucy) letters to Celeste I. She is a very competent administrator of course, but one of the the responsibility's of the royal family is to ensure future generations.
Celeste I does make a certain amount of sense, although I'd wager it's perhaps too soon in the present political climate. If Alistair was being prudent, he'd have to 'exile' his wife to a comfortable villa somewhere and take a new one.

It is always a touch amusing that Anora is considered to blame for not having any kids, it does make for an accuratre portrayal of medievel attitudes in the game, but come, on it's just as likely that Cailan is lacking lead in his pencil!

[wicked_being]

Maybe Cailan likes elves too and his illegitimate son was sent to the Chantry

[Dave of Canada]

Saibh wrote...

Okay. I don't know if this has been said before, and I feel shallow saying it, but if my non-royal Warden isn't allowed to be queen, the Orlesian commoner assassin/bard isn't.

I completely and totally understand why not-Cousland PC can't be queen, but I'm just sayin'.

Mage - controversy with the chantry.
Elf - controversy with humans.
Dwarf - controversy with humans and dwarves.

[phantomrachie24]

Bobad wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

It's quite obvious that Anora isn't capable of child birth, so there's no point in her maintaining her position. This is why Cailain was writing (saucy) letters to Celeste I. She is a very competent administrator of course, but one of the the responsibility's of the royal family is to ensure future generations.
Celeste I does make a certain amount of sense, although I'd wager it's perhaps too soon in the present political climate. If Alistair was being prudent, he'd have to 'exile' his wife to a comfortable villa somewhere and take a new one.

It is always a touch amusing that Anora is considered to blame for not having any kids, it does make for an accuratre portrayal of medievel attitudes in the game, but come, on it's just as likely that Cailan is lacking lead in his pencil!

I agree everyone is always so quick to blame Anora for the fact that she and Cailan never had any kids, I mean there is equally no proof that Cailan could have kids....unless another "Royal Bastard" shows up, which seems doubtful.

Anora is only 30 which is not past childbearing age although it is more likely that she may die in childbirth.

[Dave of Canada]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

burrito wrote...

Cousland popularity vs the Daughter of a traitor

Anora is enormously popular in Ferelden which is part of the reason why she is the best option for true peace. (either through marriage to Alistair, the Warden, or sole rule as Queen) If Alistair rules alone there is unrest in the kingdom.

You can't get rid of Anora without there being negative consequences.

But Alistair is also the blood of Calenhad, many people can view this as an important factor when deciding who should rule. Personally, I'm always making Alistair solo-ruler or married to Anora due to me believing that the king's royal blood should prosper instead of leaving it in the hands of Loghain's daughter.