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[Saibh]

Arijharn wrote...

But he was going to try with someone else... Celeste I. (From the secret documents recovered in Return to Ostagar).

While I may be taking this out of context remember when you first enter Ostagar?
• King Cailan's 'tent guard' mentions (with a persuade check) that recently Cailan and Loghain have been arguing, about Anora.
• Cailan has been engaging with a secret correspondence with Celese I. This correspondance, IIRC, was highly personal, with tender comments from both (but not outright).
• If you recruited Loghain and discover these documents, Loghain is very pissed.

To me at least, it's obvious that Cailan had pretty much given up on Anora (even if he may be the one at 'fault') and wanted perhaps a closer alliance with Orlais. Celeste I seems to be pretty damn intelligent, even crafty, to do herself what it would take her army, to 'conquer' Ferelden by merely inviting its King into her bedchambers. I think it's more than likely that he'd jump her bones too if he got the chance. Hers would have also likely have less backlash. Even if she did it out of a sense of Altruism, the significance of just how long ago (what, a single generation?) the Orlesians were forced out of Ferelden would surely not be lost on the Bannorn.

/headdesk

Everyone takes those RtO letters waaay out of proportion. There is absolutely zero to connotate that Cailan was planning on putting Anora aside to marry Celeste--in fact, we have evidence to the exact opposite. We got letters suggesting that Celene and Cailan were on better terms with each other than anyone thought, and that Cailan was allying with Orlais (something we knew since the beginning).

Whether they were involved romantically, who knows? But he most certainly wasn't going to marry her.

And Loghain is not the King of Rational Reactions. He blows everything way out of proportion, and never once stops looking for an excuse to prove himself right.

[SoleSong]

Dont forget the mage at Soldiers Peak working on some sort of blood magic or a cure.

Perhaps drinking something to remedy not being able to have children.

[Kail Ashton]

Not to pop this balloon of thought, but last i checked she dumps you if you marry Anora, she kiiiinda implied you could get back together at the end ceremony but i never did get her letter in awakening nor was she mentioned in awakenings epilouge

[Saibh]

Kail Ashton wrote...

Not to pop this balloon of thought, but last i checked she dumps you if you marry Anora, she kiiiinda implied you could get back together at the end ceremony but i never did get her letter in awakening nor was she mentioned in awakenings epilouge

Harden her after her personal quest, and she'll stay.

[Arijharn]

Saibh wrote...
/headdesk

Everyone takes those RtO letters waaay out of proportion. There is absolutely zero to connotate that Cailan was planning on putting Anora aside to marry Celeste--in fact, we have evidence to the exact opposite. We got letters suggesting that Celene and Cailan were on better terms with each other than anyone thought, and that Cailan was allying with Orlais (something we knew since the beginning).

Whether they were involved romantically, who knows? But he most certainly wasn't going to marry her.

And Loghain is not the King of Rational Reactions. He blows everything way out of proportion, and never once stops looking for an excuse to prove himself right.

Headdesk planting? really? While you no doubt don't give a flying scrap what I think of you, you managed to lose some of my respect with such a reaction. However:

Tell me, why would you make 'diplomatic' propositions to another head of state outside diplomatic channels? Especially since those 'diplomatic exchanges' were written by said heads of state in a very casual way (even borderline affectionate) as opposite to some official declaration. Let me remind you that Cailian wouldn't actually risk censorship (officially) because while Ferelden/Orlesian diplomatic relations were somewhat terse, they were officially at peace.

Also, maybe I'm dense or something, but I fail to see how ' We got letters suggesting that Celene and Cailan were on better terms with each other than anyone thought, and that Cailan was allying with Orlais (something we knew since the beginning)' is the strict 'exact opposite' of the notion of Cailian marrying Celeste I, especially since both you and I know that in our own European history that political marriages was one of those things that most viewed as nigh 'fool proof' to guarantee alliance (frequently a 'lesser state' seeking alliance with the larger nation, and lets face it, Ferelden was/is the minnow of the 'unified' nation states).

[Kail Ashton]

Saibh wrote...

Kail Ashton wrote...

Not to pop this balloon of thought, but last i checked she dumps you if you marry Anora, she kiiiinda implied you could get back together at the end ceremony but i never did get her letter in awakening nor was she mentioned in awakenings epilouge

Harden her after her personal quest, and she'll stay.

She was hardend when i made my bid for king and she still dumped his arse, best i could get was the kinda hook up/casual sex response from her at the endings ceremony

If there's a particular option to select during the intial break up that would keep her it'd be useful to know

[Saibh]

Arijharn wrote...

Saibh wrote...
/headdesk

Everyone takes those RtO letters waaay out of proportion. There is absolutely zero to connotate that Cailan was planning on putting Anora aside to marry Celeste--in fact, we have evidence to the exact opposite. We got letters suggesting that Celene and Cailan were on better terms with each other than anyone thought, and that Cailan was allying with Orlais (something we knew since the beginning).

Whether they were involved romantically, who knows? But he most certainly wasn't going to marry her.

And Loghain is not the King of Rational Reactions. He blows everything way out of proportion, and never once stops looking for an excuse to prove himself right.

Headdesk planting? really? While you no doubt don't give a flying scrap what I think of you, you managed to lose some of my respect with such a reaction. However:

Tell me, why would you make 'diplomatic' propositions to another head of state outside diplomatic channels? Especially since those 'diplomatic exchanges' were written by said heads of state in a very casual way (even borderline affectionate) as opposite to some official declaration. Let me remind you that Cailian wouldn't actually risk censorship (officially) because while Ferelden/Orlesian diplomatic relations were somewhat terse, they were officially at peace.

Also, maybe I'm dense or something, but I fail to see how ' We got letters suggesting that Celene and Cailan were on better terms with each other than anyone thought, and that Cailan was allying with Orlais (something we knew since the beginning)' is the strict 'exact opposite' of the notion of Cailian marrying Celeste I, especially since both you and I know that in our own European history that political marriages was one of those things that most viewed as nigh 'fool proof' to guarantee alliance (frequently a 'lesser state' seeking alliance with the larger nation, and lets face it, Ferelden was/is the minnow of the 'unified' nation states).

Because people blow it way out of proportion. Repeatedly. All the time. So it's a "good lord" sort of reaction.

Again, all we can glean from the letters is that they have been speaking more than we ever thought. If we're going to use medieval Europe as an equivalent, it was not uncommon for royalty to flirt with one another--but I wouldn't say they were flirting, I would simply say they knew each other well enough to be friends. If Cailan slept with Celeste, fine. But I highly, highly doubt he ever planned on marrying her. That would not go over well with Ferelden, and...

Did you read all of the letters? The letter from Eamon to Cailan has it explicitly laid out for you Cailan's vehemence about putting Anora aside for anyone else. That's the 'exact opposite' I mentioned earlier.

People take the letters to mean far more than what they actually present.

[Saibh]

Kail Ashton wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Kail Ashton wrote...

Not to pop this balloon of thought, but last i checked she dumps you if you marry Anora, she kiiiinda implied you could get back together at the end ceremony but i never did get her letter in awakening nor was she mentioned in awakenings epilouge

Harden her after her personal quest, and she'll stay.

She was hardend when i made my bid for king and she still dumped his arse, best i could get was the kinda hook up/casual sex response from her at the endings ceremony

If there's a particular option to select during the intial break up that would keep her it'd be useful to know

In my playthroughs when she's hardened she's not even phased by you marrying another. She just goes "yeah, that's how it goes". (Thinking about it, it's possible that only appears because I have a modded game? Maybe it was cut in the original, and was still present in the toolset and got modded in, but I'm not sure that's the case.)

And you don't get a letter in Awakening from her--that wasn't in the final cut for some really unknown reason.

[saruman85]

Saibh wrote...

Kail Ashton wrote...
She was hardend when i made my bid for king and she still dumped his arse, best i could get was the kinda hook up/casual sex response from her at the endings ceremony

If there's a particular option to select during the intial break up that would keep her it'd be useful to know

In my playthroughs when she's hardened she's not even phased by you marrying another. She just goes "yeah, that's how it goes". (Thinking about it, it's possible that only appears because I have a modded game? Maybe it was cut in the original, and was still present in the toolset and got modded in, but I'm not sure that's the case.)

And you don't get a letter in Awakening from her--that wasn't in the final cut for some really unknown reason.

Nope, Kail's right - in my game she dumps me when I marry Anora even if I hardened her (and I did - I got the Isabela foursome) but she says she'll stay in the post-coronation sequence. It's mentioned in the epilogue that "Leliana remained with her love - at least for a time".

The dialogue option "This doesn't have to change anything between us" during her break-up conversation still leads to her going "I respect Anora too much as a queen" and dumping you - but if you get her back to "Love" through other conversation options, such as the Marjolaine conversation, she stays in love with you till the endgame.

[Arijharn]

Saibh wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Saibh wrote...
/headdesk

Everyone takes those RtO letters waaay out of proportion. There is absolutely zero to connotate that Cailan was planning on putting Anora aside to marry Celeste--in fact, we have evidence to the exact opposite. We got letters suggesting that Celene and Cailan were on better terms with each other than anyone thought, and that Cailan was allying with Orlais (something we knew since the beginning).

Whether they were involved romantically, who knows? But he most certainly wasn't going to marry her.

And Loghain is not the King of Rational Reactions. He blows everything way out of proportion, and never once stops looking for an excuse to prove himself right.

Headdesk planting? really? While you no doubt don't give a flying scrap what I think of you, you managed to lose some of my respect with such a reaction. However:

Tell me, why would you make 'diplomatic' propositions to another head of state outside diplomatic channels? Especially since those 'diplomatic exchanges' were written by said heads of state in a very casual way (even borderline affectionate) as opposite to some official declaration. Let me remind you that Cailian wouldn't actually risk censorship (officially) because while Ferelden/Orlesian diplomatic relations were somewhat terse, they were officially at peace.

Also, maybe I'm dense or something, but I fail to see how ' We got letters suggesting that Celene and Cailan were on better terms with each other than anyone thought, and that Cailan was allying with Orlais (something we knew since the beginning)' is the strict 'exact opposite' of the notion of Cailian marrying Celeste I, especially since both you and I know that in our own European history that political marriages was one of those things that most viewed as nigh 'fool proof' to guarantee alliance (frequently a 'lesser state' seeking alliance with the larger nation, and lets face it, Ferelden was/is the minnow of the 'unified' nation states).

Because people blow it way out of proportion. Repeatedly. All the time. So it's a "good lord" sort of reaction.

Again, all we can glean from the letters is that they have been speaking more than we ever thought. If we're going to use medieval Europe as an equivalent, it was not uncommon for royalty to flirt with one another--but I wouldn't say they were flirting, I would simply say they knew each other well enough to be friends. If Cailan slept with Celeste, fine. But I highly, highly doubt he ever planned on marrying her. That would not go over well with Ferelden, and...

Did you read all of the letters? The letter from Eamon to Cailan has it explicitly laid out for you Cailan's vehemence about putting Anora aside for anyone else. That's the 'exact opposite' I mentioned earlier.

People take the letters to mean far more than what they actually present.

I read 5 letters, iirc that's all of them. Cailan never really struck me as someone who was constantly truthful though (don't ask me why I think that, probably because I don't think anyone is constantly truthful... especially in Ferelden) in his dealings with Eamon.

I think we'll have to be content with circular reasoning though because despite your insistence that Cailan would refuse to set aside Anora which sure I'll concede (because honestly I have no way of checking since I traded the game in - but I think I recall something similiar said anyway) we do have some sort of disagreements regarding Anora, specifically the argument between Loghain and Cailan prior to your Warden's arrival at Ostagar.

I just struggle to comprehend a circumstance in which Cailan would argue with Loghain about Anora would turn up if it was not in some way related to the issue of producing an heir. Sure, that doesn't necessarily mean 'marriage' but there aren't many other ways to legitimize offspring that I know of (short of a catastrophic event that saw an entire bloodline dying off minus the bastard offspring between a king and an awe struck maid of course...).

IIRC Celeste I and Cailan were planning on meeting at Denerim in a more 'pleasant time' (which I inferred was interrupted by the recent darkspawn attacks).

Truth to be told, I don't think you're necessarily wrong, but I see (strong) circumstancial evidence that if Cailan wasn't going to 'divorce' Anora, that Cailan had issues with their current situation (specifically the lack of heir) and even if Cailan was completely in love with Anora, he still saw that as part of his family's legacy he would have to produce a legitimate heir, even if one wasn't 'produced' by Anora.

[Saibh]

Arijharn wrote...

I read 5 letters, iirc that's all of them. Cailan never really struck me as someone who was constantly truthful though (don't ask me why I think that, probably because I don't think anyone is constantly truthful... especially in Ferelden) in his dealings with Eamon.

I think we'll have to be content with circular reasoning though because despite your insistence that Cailan would refuse to set aside Anora which sure I'll concede (because honestly I have no way of checking since I traded the game in - but I think I recall something similiar said anyway) we do have some sort of disagreements regarding Anora, specifically the argument between Loghain and Cailan prior to your Warden's arrival at Ostagar.

I just struggle to comprehend a circumstance in which Cailan would argue with Loghain about Anora would turn up if it was not in some way related to the issue of producing an heir. Sure, that doesn't necessarily mean 'marriage' but there aren't many other ways to legitimize offspring that I know of (short of a catastrophic event that saw an entire bloodline dying off minus the bastard offspring between a king and an awe struck maid of course...).

IIRC Celeste I and Cailan were planning on meeting at Denerim in a more 'pleasant time' (which I inferred was interrupted by the recent darkspawn attacks).

Truth to be told, I don't think you're necessarily wrong, but I see (strong) circumstancial evidence that if Cailan wasn't going to 'divorce' Anora, that Cailan had issues with their current situation (specifically the lack of heir) and even if Cailan was completely in love with Anora, he still saw that as part of his family's legacy he would have to produce a legitimate heir, even if one wasn't 'produced' by Anora.

First, let me say that divorce is illegal in Ferelden--he would only be able to set her aside. Second, the letter Eamon writes asks him to think more on putting Anora aside, even though he knew Cailan was very angry when he brought it up before. I will say that you don't know what Eamon and Cailan's relationship was like, other than Eamon was his advisor and favorite uncle. How do you know if he would lie or not?

All I'm saying is that Cailan would have to be beyond stupid--way more than what we see at Ostagar--to marry Celene. And that those letters don't offer support that he would; in fact, they run contrary.

saruman85 wrote...

Nope, Kail's right - in my game she dumps me when I marry Anora even if I hardened her (and I did - I got the Isabela foursome) but she says she'll stay in the post-coronation sequence. It's mentioned in the epilogue that "Leliana remained with her love - at least for a time".

The dialogue option "This doesn't have to change anything between us" during her break-up conversation
still leads to her going "I respect Anora too much as a queen" and dumping you - but if you get her back to "Love" through other conversation options, such as the Marjolaine conversation, she stays in love with you till the endgame.

Alright, I'll attribute it to a modded game--I checked the toolset, and the conversation is there. Though, I have to wonder why this thread lasted so long without anyone pointing this out if this is the case.

[Saibh]

...Okay? Double post.

Modifié par Saibh, 09 août 2010 - 07:30 .

[Arijharn]

You can still annull marriages within Ferelden (http://dragonage.wik...ty_and_Marriage) and he (Cailan) would get heat undoubtedly from the factional hardliners within the bannorn, but like I said earlier Orlais and Ferelden were officially at peace.

Anora may have unofficially run the place (and was even loved by the people) but that's not to say that Cailan didn't have his fair share of support either (he was afterall, Maric's son).

I may be alone here, but I certainly don't tell my 'favourite uncle' everything and the fact that Cailan and Anora has so far failed to produce an heir is bound to raise eyebrows. I think it would actually be stupid of Cailan to just keep the status quo as is in this regard because even if he loves his queen, he still has a duty to Ferelden and that includes creating heir's.

An union between Orlais and Ferelden is hardly the stupidest political situation to be placed in (long term) as far as I see, mainly because they are both relatively strong (although Ferelden would be bargaining at a greatly reduced position of strength) and they are right next door to each other.

[Arijharn]

Saibh wrote...
All I'm saying is that Cailan would have to be beyond stupid to marry Celene. 

Why? I'm serious as well (not trying to be dense at least). Sure there will be rumblings within the populace (specifically the bannorn), but hardly what I would see as being called into open revolt.

If Cailan managed to bring into line the majority of the bannorn and rob support from the hardliners, the situation would pass rather harmlessly. The most vocal would be of course Queen Anora and Loghain, and despite the fact that the bannorn/people love Queen Anora, they see she isn't of royal blood (and lets face it, the bannorn are elitist). Loghain's influence has possibly been eroded over time (Eamon has wide support and already has an Orlesian for a wife. If Nathaniel is to be believed, the Cousland's were also accepting gifts from Orlais as well (which isn't a crime - due to their cessation of hostilities).

[Bobad]

Regarding Celene & Cailan, I'm curious is anyone aware of any real world precedence of two sitting monarchs marrying?, nevermind being within one generation of one of those countires occupying the other?

[Stormghost]

Bobad wrote...

Regarding Celene & Cailan, I'm curious is anyone aware of any real world precedence of two sitting monarchs marrying?, nevermind being within one generation of one of those countires occupying the other?

Mary, Queen of Scots and Francis II of France, if my history serves me correctly.
EDIT: Though Francis wasn't king at the time, but he was Dauphin and became King Consort of Scotland, and when his pops died, he became King of France, and Mary became Queen Consort of France, and it worked out.

Modifié par davidk1991, 09 août 2010 - 09:09 .

[Alyka]

burrito wrote...

It's possible? The male warden would be more popular then anora at this point.  He doesnt like being a consort, plays some venetian politics, anora is gone and the warden puts his mistress on the throne.  No one going cause your a hero and a cousland. Loghain going to be pissed but atleast he's in orlais. 

Hmm.I don't know if that would work because if your female PC isn't a Cousland, you can't be princess consort with Alistair, just his mistress.So the same might work with male Cousland/no Anora.And word would get around that Leliana is from Orlais even though her mother was a Fereldan.That's scandalous.Not many Fereldan's would go for that.A civil war might break out.
Why would Loghain be in Orlais? Unless you drug him, drop him off and leave him stranded there as punishment.lol
Or maybe his "time has come" like the Grey Warden's except he's going to Orlais to try and put away as many Chevaliers as he can before 10 jump out from a bush and stab him all at once.

Modifié par Alyka, 09 août 2010 - 09:20 .

[Drizzt ORierdan]

davidk1991 wrote...

Bobad wrote...

Regarding Celene & Cailan, I'm curious is anyone aware of any real world precedence of two sitting monarchs marrying?, nevermind being within one generation of one of those countires occupying the other?

Mary, Queen of Scots and Francis II of France, if my history serves me correctly.
EDIT: Though Francis wasn't king at the time, but he was Dauphin and became King Consort of Scotland, and when his pops died, he became King of France, and Mary became Queen Consort of France, and it worked out.

Mary I Tudor (aka "Bloody Mary") married Philip II of Spain around the same time, I think.
But she died shortly (a couple of years) after that...

[Saibh]

Arijharn wrote...

Saibh wrote...
All I'm saying is that Cailan would have to be beyond stupid to marry Celene. 

Why? I'm serious as well (not trying to be dense at least). Sure there will be rumblings within the populace (specifically the bannorn), but hardly what I would see as being called into open revolt.

If Cailan managed to bring into line the majority of the bannorn and rob support from the hardliners, the situation would pass rather harmlessly. The most vocal would be of course Queen Anora and Loghain, and despite the fact that the bannorn/people love Queen Anora, they see she isn't of royal blood (and lets face it, the bannorn are elitist). Loghain's influence has possibly been eroded over time (Eamon has wide support and already has an Orlesian for a wife. If Nathaniel is to be believed, the Cousland's were also accepting gifts from Orlais as well (which isn't a crime - due to their cessation of hostilities).

...I'm honestly wondering if you are aware of the extent of hatred Ferelden has for Orlais? Two countries don't need to be at war with each other to still hate each other.

The Empress of Orlais marrying the King of Ferelden, whose country just freed themselves from occupation after enslavement for a century would not go over well. Loghain got so much support because he was protecting Ferelden from Orlesian threat. The country would not accept the Orlesian Empress as their queen. Some people might be starting to forgive them and let old wounds heal, but that doesn't mean they'd be willing to accept this clear usurption of power.

[AllThatJazz]

Saibh wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Saibh wrote...
All I'm saying is that Cailan would have to be beyond stupid to marry Celene. 

Why? I'm serious as well (not trying to be dense at least). Sure there will be rumblings within the populace (specifically the bannorn), but hardly what I would see as being called into open revolt.

If Cailan managed to bring into line the majority of the bannorn and rob support from the hardliners, the situation would pass rather harmlessly. The most vocal would be of course Queen Anora and Loghain, and despite the fact that the bannorn/people love Queen Anora, they see she isn't of royal blood (and lets face it, the bannorn are elitist). Loghain's influence has possibly been eroded over time (Eamon has wide support and already has an Orlesian for a wife. If Nathaniel is to be believed, the Cousland's were also accepting gifts from Orlais as well (which isn't a crime - due to their cessation of hostilities).

...I'm honestly wondering if you are aware of the extent of hatred Ferelden has for Orlais? Two countries don't need to be at war with each other to still hate each other.

The Empress of Orlais marrying the King of Ferelden, whose country just freed themselves from occupation after enslavement for a century would not go over well. Loghain got so much support because he was protecting Ferelden from Orlesian threat. The country would not accept the Orlesian Empress as their queen. Some people might be starting to forgive them and let old wounds heal, but that doesn't mean they'd be willing to accept this clear usurption of power.

Yep, and Eamon's popularity is probably in spite of his marriage to an Orlesian, and anyway he isn't king! Having a member of the nobility with Orlesian friends/spouses is a very different proposition to being ruled by Orlais. Again. In a few generations, maybe, but for now there is simply too much bad blood.

[Arijharn]

I'd also like to draw your attention though that for the current generation the issues with Orlais in the past is 'non-issue.' They are not as concerned with an omnipresent Orlesian threat looming above their heads.



It's been 30 years, iirc, when the Ferelden people evicted the Orlesian's from their country. The new generation (i.e., the Warden's generation) are simply not fully aware of what the Orlesian's have done, so I submit my question of 'why' isn't nearly as retarded as what you make it out to be.

[Aradace]

I got to go with a big NO on this one...Simply because in every single playthrough of DA:O (other than my first) I ended up killing Leliana.

[Saibh]

Arijharn wrote...

I'd also like to draw your attention though that for the current generation the issues with Orlais in the past is 'non-issue.' They are not as concerned with an omnipresent Orlesian threat looming above their heads.

It's been 30 years, iirc, when the Ferelden people evicted the Orlesian's from their country. The new generation (i.e., the Warden's generation) are simply not fully aware of what the Orlesian's have done, so I submit my question of 'why' isn't nearly as retarded as what you make it out to be.

I see no evidence supporting that current Fereldens find the Orlesian occupation a "non-issue". Some are more forgiving than others, some don't care, but thirty years is not a long time. Can't you remember how the Orlesian Warden is treated? There are various citizens all around Ferelden that distrust anything that has anything to do with Orlais.

Honestly, if you don't believe in that basic point, the rest of it is going to elude you.

[MKDAWUSS]

Arijharn wrote...

But he was going to try with someone else... Celeste I. (From the secret documents recovered in Return to Ostagar).

While I may be taking this out of context remember when you first enter Ostagar?
• King Cailan's 'tent guard' mentions (with a persuade check) that recently Cailan and Loghain have been arguing, about Anora.
• Cailan has been engaging with a secret correspondence with Celese I. This correspondance, IIRC, was highly personal, with tender comments from both (but not outright).
• If you recruited Loghain and discover these documents, Loghain is very pissed.

To me at least, it's obvious that Cailan had pretty much given up on Anora (even if he may be the one at 'fault') and wanted perhaps a closer alliance with Orlais. Celeste I seems to be pretty damn intelligent, even crafty, to do herself what it would take her army, to 'conquer' Ferelden by merely inviting its King into her bedchambers. I think it's more than likely that he'd jump her bones too if he got the chance. Hers would have also likely have less backlash. Even if she did it out of a sense of Altruism, the significance of just how long ago (what, a single generation?) the Orlesians were forced out of Ferelden would surely not be lost on the Bannorn.

That would make for an interesting plotline or punchline - Celene I has Cailan's child. Priceless would be Loghain's face upon receiving that news.

But would the little kid's claim to the Fereldan throne be recognized? Alistair probably would name him as heir, but I'm not sure that Anora would.

[AllThatJazz]

Arijharn wrote...

I'd also like to draw your attention though that for the current generation the issues with Orlais in the past is 'non-issue.' They are not as concerned with an omnipresent Orlesian threat looming above their heads.

It's been 30 years, iirc, when the Ferelden people evicted the Orlesian's from their country. The new generation (i.e., the Warden's generation) are simply not fully aware of what the Orlesian's have done, so I submit my question of 'why' isn't nearly as retarded as what you make it out to be.

The younger generation might not hate Orlesians with a fiery passion, but that isn't the same as saying they'd be okay with an Orlesian monarch. And what with it being only 30 years since the war, there are enough of Loghain's generation left to cause a real problem to an Orlesian on the throne. A very few Fereldans would be openly supportive (but probably fear for their lives in being so), a few more would be supportive in secret, many would be ambivalent (largely those who, as you say, are not fully aware of history), but probably equally as many would be very hostile to the idea. So unless the new Queen wishes to begin her reign by putting down revolts all over the country - not an auspicious start - it would be better for all concerned if everyone who remembers the war were to die of old age before another Orlesian takes the throne.