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[iTomes]

"Pfft not *literal* bros! Maric's virility aside."

well its not impossible. according to one of my imaginary researches a child of maric falls out of every third tree you shake in ferelden.

Modifié par iTomes, 10 août 2010 - 01:54 .

[Anarya]

iTomes wrote...

"Pfft not *literal* bros! Maric's virility aside."

well its not impossible. according to one of my imaginary researches a child of maric falls out of every third tree you shake in ferelden.

Fine by me. They tend to turn out pretty charming and handsome after all.

Anarya Cousland is now on a mission to shake every tree in Ferelden. EVERY ONE.

[iTomes]

Anarya wrote...

iTomes wrote...

"Pfft not *literal* bros! Maric's virility aside."

well its not impossible. according to one of my imaginary researches a child of maric falls out of every third tree you shake in ferelden.

Fine by me. They tend to turn out pretty charming and handsome after all.

Anarya Cousland is now on a mission to shake every tree in Ferelden. EVERY ONE.

have fun in the brecilian forest, even tough the dalish and werewolfs and apostates and evil ghosts and whatever the hell there is killed some of marics children, youll find the most there. they built a pretty nice tribe were they are having hard debattes every day about who is not their leader. the loser has to lead for one day, a day that is usually spent with attempts of finding out how to get rid of that being-leader-thingie again...

Modifié par iTomes, 10 août 2010 - 02:03 .

[Anarya]

I only hope this doesn't happen *too* often.

[iTomes]

"I only hope this doesn't happen *too* often."



define "*too* often".^^

[Anarya]

iTomes wrote...

"I only hope this doesn't happen *too* often."

define "*too* often".^^

Well it's inevitable if you go around shaking trees. Haven't you ever played Animal Crossing?

[iTomes]

Anarya wrote...

iTomes wrote...

"I only hope this doesn't happen *too* often."

define "*too* often".^^

Well it's inevitable if you go around shaking trees. Haven't you ever played Animal Crossing?

one or two times, never became a real fan of it. but dont worry, you wont meet too much bees. usually the monsters living in the trees already killed them.

[burrito]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

burrito wrote...

well she was born in fereldan so that could be a justification.

Leliana's father is Orlesian and she was raised in Orlais. She's culturally Orlesian and it's likely people view her as being more ethnically Orlesian as well, since medieval cultures generally gave more weight to the father's nationality. Additionally, while her mother may have been from Ferelden, it sounds as if her mother's family were collaborating with the Orlesian occupation. Her mother served an Orlesian noblewoman in Ferelden during the occupation, and had to leave Ferelden for Orlais when the country was liberated. I don't believe Leliana ever mentions specifically what Lady Cecile's purpose was in Ferelden, but as a noblewoman it's likely she was part of the court of King Meghren, the Orlesian puppet king on the Ferelden throne and a cousin to the Emperor of Orlais.

None of those things is very likely to make Leliana a popular Queen.

Additionally the Warden has no legitimate claim to the throne himself and Anora is enormously popular. She can't be knocked off or sidelined without consequences.  If the Warden usurped power from Anora he'd be opposed by many of the banns, just as Loghain was opposed by the bannorn when he went on a power grab. Being the hero of Ferelden carries a lot of political weight behind it but it isn't a get out of jail free card, as Loghain learned the hard way. One moment you could easily by the country's hero and the next it's villain.

I don't think her father was Orlesian but then again during the 100 years war alot of French women  where raped by English Knights.  So it could be a case like this.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Xandurpein wrote...

The Couslands were big on duty and presrving the bloodline is certainly a big issue in Ferelden. Fergus would almost certainly try to remarry and raise heris. Not to m,ention the fact that as leader of one of two remaining teyrnies is Ferelden, he would probably be one of the most elgible men in the country. No doubt he would have to fend off Banns, trying to hook their daughters up with him, bodily.

Not to mention rich merchants and heads of trading guilds that might have a common background, but who would love to marry off a daughter  to a Cousland and vastly improve their social status and political clout. Marrying a daughter into a Teyrn's family could even be a path to a title and land grant for the father. On the surface such a marriage might not seem like it offers much to the Couslands, but a beautiful & charming woman from a merchant family might land a noble marriage. Men are visual creatures, after all. Also depending on how wealthy the merchant clan, the wealth alone might be a enough to entice a Cousland.

Fergus would have no shortage of potential suitors both from noble and merchant families looking to forge political alliances or improve their station. He may also have offers of marriage from foreign noble or royal families who are looking to gain influence in Ferelden. After all if his Warden brother/sister survives he or she is in many ways a power behind the throne.

I don't think her father was Orlesian but then again during the 100 years war alot of French women  where raped by English Knights.  So it could be a case like this.

Leliana tells you her  her mother was a Ferelden who served an Orlesian noblewoman. I can't recall now if she states that her father was Orlesian, but since she specifically singles out her mother as being from Ferelden, rather than saying her family or parents were from there, it is certain that Leliana is only half Fereldish, or whatever is that people from Ferelden are called.

Since she was raised in Orlais it's also likely the father was Orlesian, even if she doesn't specifically state that.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 10 août 2010 - 10:48 .

[burrito]

My guess with Leliana's father is since her mother grew up around Orlesians is she fell in love with one who was killed during the war or Leliana's mother was raped by a Chevalier.

[Arijharn]

MKDAWUSS wrote...
As to being the Teyrn of Gwaren, I'm kinda curious how that would work out if Loghain was still alive...

They were stripped. It does get hazy if they get stripped by Queen Anora (presumably you still have that response from her) if Loghain's still alive but as I see it, it's rather like the ability of the british (and others?) monarchy.
a) There capability to rule comes from the Bann's et al, but the monarchy still has the capability to bestow and change(?) a noble's estates.
I would imagine that this could be blocked by the person in question (in the form of a Landsmeet style power cliche of the bannorn) -- this could likely lead to a civil war, which obviously wouldn't be in Fereldan's best interests, so probably is rarely, if ever, exercised.
c) Loghain allowed it. Nor would he really have the political allies to defy the order (his ass was just recently smacked squarely to the floor by a Grey Warden (Champion) in a Trial by Fire (Combat/Ordeal... I can't remember) with the 'truth' lying (har, pun not intended) with the victor.
d) If Queen Anora defied this, she'd be just as much up the creek with the bannorn due to traditionalist/popular support. Remember; this is the damn Hero of Fereldan who just made the request. How could you ask for a request, with the sort of clear (if implied) meaning that pretty much anything (s)he asked for would be given... and then refused?

[Xandurpein]

iTomes wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

StreetlightEagle wrote...

stevej713 wrote...

StreetlightEagle wrote...

The idea of being forced to choose between Alistair and a childless Anora still confuses me. If Ferelden was actually Medieval England then neither would have a claim to the throne as Alistair is a bastard and Anora presumably has no trace of royal blood. Even Alistair himself says arl Eamon has more of a claim so you should have been able to choose him or Fergus to become king, especially over Anora.

Did you completely overlook the fact that Anora is the widow of Cailan?

No. If you actually read my comments I've explained why just being Cailan's widow doesn't hold much water.

The situation at the Landsmeet isn't very well explained. But if you read between the lines it's obvious that the two strongest political leaders at the Landsmeet, other than Loghain, is Queen Anora and Arl Eamon. You as Grey Warden do not have the freedom to choose what you want, even if you are all shades of awesome. It's the Landsmeet that decides, not you.

You only have the option of supporting one of the two big power blocs and thus sway those undecided and tip the scale in one way or the other. That's the situation at the Landsmeet, as far as I understand it, and the reason you can only chose between Anora or Alistair (who is favored by Eamon).

If you tried to claim the throne against the wishes of both Anora and Arl Eamon, you wouldn't be able to convince enough Banns to vote for you, because you are a largely unknown person and don't have enough political clout to convince he Landsmeet.

the landsmeet voted against me. i decaputated loghain. the end, i won even tough the landsmeet decided against me.

You are referring to the first vote, when the Landsmeet deicedes if Loghain is a traitor or not. Once Loghain is defeated, the Landsmeet (not you) decides who will be king or queen. That is the situation I'm referring to. It's written so it seems you are actually deciding on your own who will be ruler, but that is ridiculous. You get to cast the deciding vote (and probably sway a lot of undecided people in the process) that tips the vote in favor of either Anora or Alistair.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 11 août 2010 - 06:01 .

[iTomes]

"You are referring to the first vote, when the Landsmeet deicedes if Loghain is a traitor or not. Once loghain is defeated the Landsmeet (not you) decides who will be king or queen. That is the situation I'm referring to. It's written so it seems you are actually deciding on your own who will be ruler, but that is ridiculous. You get to cast the deciding vote (and probably sway a lot of undecided people in the process) that sways the vote in favor of either Anora or alistair."



well, i know another way how i could become king: killing alistair, anora aaaaannd arl eamon while theyre sleeping and blaming loghain for everything. then i rush into the landsmeet claming the crown being the last of the couslands and stuff. its not really topic related, but ,sorry, i had to say it. anyhow, youre propably right xD.

[burrito]

actually you would have more power if you make Alistair King rather then marry Anora because Alistair is lazy and likes to travel, leaving you as regeant.

[Indoctrination]

Bobad wrote...

Regarding Celene & Cailan, I'm curious is anyone aware of any real world precedence of two sitting monarchs marrying?, nevermind being within one generation of one of those countires occupying the other?

The most famous example of this is "The Catholic Monarchs", Ferdinand II, King of Aragon, and Isabella I, Queen of Castile. Their legendary joint reign lead to the eventually unification of the two Kingdoms into Spain along with the rise of Spanish Iberia as a superpower.

[Arijharn]

Indoctrination wrote...

Bobad wrote...

Regarding Celene & Cailan, I'm curious is anyone aware of any real world precedence of two sitting monarchs marrying?, nevermind being within one generation of one of those countires occupying the other?

The most famous example of this is "The Catholic Monarchs", Ferdinand II, King of Aragon, and Isabella I, Queen of Castile. Their legendary joint reign lead to the eventually unification of the two Kingdoms into Spain along with the rise of Spanish Iberia as a superpower.

What a delightful comparison really, because those two eventually gave birth (or lead to the formation of) the most infamous (and most commonly misunderstood) organisation of those times; the Spanish Inquisition.

[Xandurpein]

burrito wrote...

actually you would have more power if you make Alistair King rather then marry Anora because Alistair is lazy and likes to travel, leaving you as regeant.

There is a common misunderstanding about Alistair as king really. you need to appreciate that Alistair is very, very different as king if you "harden" him or not. Hardened alistair is no pushover and will probably govern according to his own conscience. Unhardened alistair however will do what he can to avoid responsibility and leave sas much as possible to his advisors. So your comment is really only correct if you mean "unhardened" Alistair.

For those who still don't know this, "hardening" refers to the end of Alistair's personal quest when you can tell him to develop more spine. This will have a profound effect on Alistair's attittudes towards his role as King.

[burrito]

Xandurpein wrote...

burrito wrote...

actually you would have more power if you make Alistair King rather then marry Anora because Alistair is lazy and likes to travel, leaving you as regeant.

There is a common misunderstanding about Alistair as king really. you need to appreciate that Alistair is very, very different as king if you "harden" him or not. Hardened alistair is no pushover and will probably govern according to his own conscience. Unhardened alistair however will do what he can to avoid responsibility and leave sas much as possible to his advisors. So your comment is really only correct if you mean "unhardened" Alistair.

For those who still don't know this, "hardening" refers to the end of Alistair's personal quest when you can tell him to develop more spine. This will have a profound effect on Alistair's attittudes towards his role as King.

I'll have to try hardened Alistair.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Hardened King Alistair gets a better epilogue IMO, at least compared to unhardened King Alistair. Besides being a better ruler his marriage to Anora even sounds happier.

[eric gormley]

you people need to stop putting bad ideas into the game development team i think it would suck if they did make her queen. especially if her relationship was with the warden would that not deside if she is or not. they did say that what you did in DA1 Could reflect what happens in dragon age 2 and secondly would that not make her the wardens Mrs or girlfriend. And not to mention i like the leliana character and was hoping she is part of your team again in dragon age 2 hell maybe even work on your relationship with her a little more.   

For example what i did is this

I put alister on the throne and i had him do morrigans ritual
i had a relationship with leliana when i chose to stay with the wardens she wanted to stay with warden to continue there relationship and help him rebuild the grey wardens and this is according to the epiloge at the end.
so would that not contraddict eveything you people are saying.

like when you speck to her jurning the heroes award ceramony at the end i remember asking her does the heroe get the girl and she said he most certainly does and she also said she wanted to stay with the warden there is nowhere she would rather be so its settled then she would become a grey warden to stay with the man she loves.

ps in order to get that ending you must not let the priest take the URN of ashes other wise the chantry will ask her at the end to go back to serve as guardian to the URN. 

[Bobad]

Maybe she is th Princess of Peoples Hearts of Ferelden

[burrito]

eric gormley wrote...

you people need to stop putting bad ideas into the game development team i think it would suck if they did make her queen. especially if her relationship was with the warden would that not deside if she is or not. they did say that what you did in DA1 Could reflect what happens in dragon age 2 and secondly would that not make her the wardens Mrs or girlfriend. And not to mention i like the leliana character and was hoping she is part of your team again in dragon age 2 hell maybe even work on your relationship with her a little more.   

For example what i did is this

I put alister on the throne and i had him do morrigans ritual
i had a relationship with leliana when i chose to stay with the wardens she wanted to stay with warden to continue there relationship and help him rebuild the grey wardens and this is according to the epiloge at the end.
so would that not contraddict eveything you people are saying.

like when you speck to her jurning the heroes award ceramony at the end i remember asking her does the heroe get the girl and she said he most certainly does and she also said she wanted to stay with the warden there is nowhere she would rather be so its settled then she would become a grey warden to stay with the man she loves.

ps in order to get that ending you must not let the priest take the URN of ashes other wise the chantry will ask her at the end to go back to serve as guardian to the URN. 

This thread has been down for 20 days, besides my warden was feeling like Henry Tutor with all his wives.

[larsa valeth]

thier are problems for have Leliana as queen, the frist is the warden. throicly the warden arn't ment to get involve in polictly problem and it would be bad for the wardens to rule fereldan for it would be seen as a power grab by the rest of thedas, they are a order like the templars and look how that turned out, also he is not of noble brith and could not contend against anora for she was married to the king so she was more entilted to the crown more than the the warden. second as much as she love shoes she loves traveling more and doing what she feels is best. being born and rasied Orala is more than reason enough for her not to be queen even with the chantys support