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[LobselVith8]

DA:O gives the unique opportunity to see Ferelden from multiple perspectives, and conversly to change how those people see you through your actions. During DA:O, most Fereldens fear mages because of the Chantry, but the actions of a Mage Warden against the Blight can change that perception (supported by the reception even an Elf Mage Warden receives in Amaranthine). The actions taken in DA:A will either hinder or help change that view depending on you choice you make involving Amaranthine. However, the problem is that the Chantry has a very narrow view when it comes to mages, and while I doubt Empress Celene I would want a war with Ferelden, I think (the White) Divine in the Grand Cathedral in Val Royeau would have issue with the popularity of a Mage Warden. Given the Chantry's views on mages (and the virtual prisons they force mages to endure across Thedas) and how a Mage Warden can not only become a popular hero, but the de facto Arl of Amaranthine, as well as the Chancellor, the Teyrn of Gwaren or ask for the royal boon of giving independence to the Circle of Ferelden (which I'm certain would call their attention), would the Divine of Orlais accept this change, or try to maintain the status quo regarding mages, possibly even make the attempt to call an Exalted March against Ferelden because of the Mage Warden?

[Sarah1281]

I don't think just you being the Hero of Ferelden/Arlessa of Amaranthine/Teyrna of Gwaren would be enough because you're just one mage and ended up stopping a Blight. If you free the Circle? Yes, yes I can see them seeing that as a dangerous precedent and limit on their authority and calling on a Divine March.

[maxernst]

Yeah, I always wondered about how practical that boon really would be to offer. It might depend on just how "free" you really intend the Circle to be, but I don't think the Chantry would take kindly to the crown interfering with how they handle "their" mages. Even if they don't call an Exalted March, I expect there are all kinds of ways the Chantry can make a ruler uncomfortable...I'm guessing they'd make it impossible to push through the Landsmeet.



But the Warden being a mage isn't a big deal. The Grey Wardens are known to have mages; I think the Chantry is willing to accommodate them because they're a necessity. Also, they do seem to allow mages out of the tower under certain conditons (Wynne, for example). But freeing the circle as a whole from their oversight. Over a lot of dead bodies, I suspect.

[LobselVith8]

I know Senior Mages like Wynne are let out, but she did need to ask permission to travel with the Grey Warden first, though.

I don't think it would be an option if it was impossible. I certainly think it would be controversial, but the new rulers do go out of their way to go against the status quo. Alistair puts an Elder on the royal council despite the fact that it causes a scandal amongst humans, and Anora builds a university in what's essentially the dark ages. They give the Dalish the Hinterlands. Both of them seem eager to make Ferelden a better place, and the Warden Sacrifice cut scene shows that both Anora and Alistair will tell Knight-Commander Greagoir to hand the new Tower over to the mages, despite that it seems to give Greagior a heart attack.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 07 août 2010 - 12:46 .

[thegreateski]

I'm hoping that they do.



*Played a nice blood mage with a hatred of the Chantry that made Alistair king and got the chancellor ending*



I don't like the Chantry or Orlais.

[Janni-in-VA]

While most of what we might write here is speculation, the whole thing raises a couple of additional questions with me. Would the Chantry break along patriotic lines? And, where would Empress Celene, who worked with Cailan in an attempt to insure a lasting peace, stand? This isn't just a religious question, it's a political one as well. If the Orlesian Chantry calls a Divine March on Ferelden, they can't really be certain of who else they might be fighting. There are other countries who don't seem to keep their mages on as tight a leash as Orlais does. It's possible they would support Ferelden simply so that they aren't next.

However, it's unlikely that the accomplishments of one mage, no matter how publicized, are going to bring the entire Chantry down on Ferelden.

[LobselVith8]

Janni-in-VA wrote...



While most of what we might write here is speculation, the whole thing raises a couple of additional questions with me. Would the Chantry break along patriotic lines? And, where would Empress Celene, who worked with Cailan in an attempt to insure a lasting peace, stand? This isn't just a religious question, it's a political one as well. If the Orlesian Chantry calls a Divine March on Ferelden, they can't really be certain of who else they might be fighting. There are other countries who don't seem to keep their mages on as tight a leash as Orlais does. It's possible they would support Ferelden simply so that they aren't next.

However, it's unlikely that the accomplishments of one mage, no matter how publicized, are going to bring the entire Chantry down on Ferelden.

You're right about Empress Celene. I think it would be the biggest hurdle in trying to start an Exalted March against Ferelden. I'd be curious how Tevinter responds as well, considering the Imperial Chantry is run by mages. I think they would certainly get involved.

Sarah1281 wrote...



I don't think just you being the Hero of Ferelden/Arlessa of Amaranthine/Teyrna of Gwaren would be enough because you're just one mage and ended up stopping a Blight. If you free the Circle? Yes, yes I can see them seeing that as a dangerous precedent and limit on their authority and calling on a Divine March.

I mentioned being Teyrn/Teyrna of Gwaren because Jowan mentions that mages can't have a title (when he discusses why Connor's magical ability was kept a secret), as does being the Hero of Ferelden/Commander of the Grey and the Arl of Amaranthine. I think a drastic shift in a law that gives a mage authority over people (considering the Chantry's "magic exists to serve man, and not rule over him" might be why mages can't have a title in Ferelden, and I'd guess Orlais as well) could be an issue for them.

[Sarah1281]

I actually don't think that 'Commander of the Grey' is one of those titles mages can't have, Ferelden law (and possibly the laws of outher countries) just prevents them from inheriting a noble title. If a mage can become a Warden with no problem why would they have a problem becoming Warden-Commander?

[Sarah1281]

I actually don't think that 'Commander of the Grey' is one of those titles mages can't have, Ferelden law (and possibly the laws of outher countries) just prevents them from inheriting a noble title. If a mage can become a Warden with no problem why would they have a problem becoming Warden-Commander?

[Dean_the_Young]

There could be a couple of sparks that might prompt the Chantry to consider meddling in Ferelden. Perhaps none of them might be decisive in and of themselves, but added together...



Freeing the Circle, of course, is obvious: not only in and of itself a defiance of the Chantry's authority, but practically also a circumvention of the Chantry's control of the Lyrium trade, their key to holding the Templars in hand. The second may be far more threatening than the first, especially as the dwarf girl Dagna shares the dwarven secrets of Lyrium.



Opening the Chantry into Orzammar, where the dwarves turn against it to a point. The epilogue already suggest whispers of a march against the Dwarves if that happens, regardless of who's on the throne or what else, and to get to Orzammar they would have to cross Ferelden lands. And hey, if you already have an Exalted March against one set of heretics when another lives just nearby...



A third possible (if rare) reason could be the Dragon Cultists, if you sided with them. They are implied to gain influence if you do not slay them, and they would be yet more heretics to the Chantry.



In Awakening, the fact that the Chantry Templars are willing to try to take Anders despite his recruitment into the Grey Wardens sends a troubling signal of its own: Grey Warden autonomy and even Ferelden Royal consent were both ignored. If one Grey Warden mage wanted by the Templars could be accosted, what of a blood mage and demon summoner like Avernus?



The possible ending of the Architect might or might not also anger the Divine, if even other Wardens in other lands could be so angry.





There are surely other reasons and things I am missing. If your mage takes to some heretical magical school that works with spirits (demons!) or non-Circle magics (shape shifting, arcane warrior?), then you certainly aren't doing yourself any favors if they're looking for reasons.

[thesuperdarkone]

They can try, but they will fail. I took on a high dragon by myself and took on many templars succesfully. You think I am afraid of the chantry? I love me some blood magic and blood wound.

[Kimarous]

As far as I'm aware, the idea of having mage autonomy is more about the templars not being directly involved with the tower. I mean, the templars could still act as a police force for apostates and abominations; they just wouldn't be directly looming over every aspect of the Circle. Yeah, the Divine might not be happy, but as far as I am aware, the Fereldan Circle hasn't completely severred ties with the Chantry. In fact, isn't that exactly the reason why Wynne is concerned about the meeting at Cumberland... because the Libertarians are trying to completely cut ties (a plan even Anders disagrees with)?

As for the Templars constantly hunting Anders and claiming that their authority even supercedes the crown of Fereldan, I think that was more an isolated case of a stubborn-as-hell zealot who was probably a bit lyrium-addled.

In any case, whether the Divine is unhappy or not, wouldn't going against the one request of (or, if the Ultimate Sacrifice was made, the main tribute to) the vanquisher of the Fifth Blight be just a tad negative for PR?

[LobselVith8]

Kimarous wrote...

As far as I'm aware, the idea of having mage autonomy is more about the templars not being directly involved with the tower. I mean, the templars could still act as a police force for apostates and abominations; they just wouldn't be directly looming over every aspect of the Circle. Yeah, the Divine might not be happy, but as far as I am aware, the Fereldan Circle hasn't completely severred ties with the Chantry. In fact, isn't that exactly the reason why Wynne is concerned about the meeting at Cumberland... because the Libertarians are trying to completely cut ties (a plan even Anders disagrees with)?

As for the Templars constantly hunting Anders and claiming that their authority even supercedes the crown of Fereldan, I think that was more an isolated case of a stubborn-as-hell zealot who was probably a bit lyrium-addled.

In any case, whether the Divine is unhappy or not, wouldn't going against the one request of (or, if the Ultimate Sacrifice was made, the main tribute to) the vanquisher of the Fifth Blight be just a tad negative for PR?

The templars are basically the military arm of the Chantry, and the phrasing for the boon is to ask for the Circle to have independence. I'd guess a templar was still around (during Awakening) because in US its explicitly mentioned that the tower gets rebuilt because the veil is too thin, and the templars are supposed to leave as soon as its been rebuilt  (which would explain why Wynne's apprentice was nearly murdered when he ran away and how Anders lived through several escape attempts).

I do wish that the meeting with Wynne would address a Magi boon given the mention of Cumberland, but given how a Warden kneels before the King or Queen at the beginning of DA:A (it fits more as an Orlesian custom that might be expected when addressing the Empress from when Awakening was only supposed to be an Orlesian Warden) that I don't think the writers focused much on tying it to events from DA:O.

[Dean_the_Young]

thesuperdarkone wrote...

They can try, but they will fail. I took on a high dragon by myself and took on many templars succesfully. You think I am afraid of the chantry? I love me some blood magic and blood wound.

Gameplay mechanics=/= lore realities, and that's a rebalancing of the combat systems you're certain to see come Dragon Age 2. Just as you were never close to being able to stop the blight on your own, so too would you not be able to stop a Divine March with just a few blood mages with a pretty spell.

[Dean_the_Young]

Kimarous wrote...

As far as I'm aware, the idea of having mage autonomy is more about the templars not being directly involved with the tower. I mean, the templars could still act as a police force for apostates and abominations; they just wouldn't be directly looming over every aspect of the Circle. Yeah, the Divine might not be happy, but as far as I am aware, the Fereldan Circle hasn't completely severred ties with the Chantry. In fact, isn't that exactly the reason why Wynne is concerned about the meeting at Cumberland... because the Libertarians are trying to completely cut ties (a plan even Anders disagrees with)?

The unrestricted circle has unrestricted access to the Dwarves, and Lyrium. A monopoly on the lyrium trade is key to the Chantry's control of the Templars and mages from the other circles alike, and losing it can be a political, economic, and strategic earthquake.

As for the Templars constantly hunting Anders and claiming that their authority even supercedes the crown of Fereldan, I think that was more an isolated case of a stubborn-as-hell zealot who was probably a bit lyrium-addled.

Perhaps it was... or perhaps it wasn't. How many other 'zealots' in a Crusader Army are needed before it doesn't matter?

In any case, whether the Divine is unhappy or not, wouldn't going against the one request of (or, if the Ultimate Sacrifice was made, the main tribute to) the vanquisher of the Fifth Blight be just a tad negative for PR?

Most countries didn't even know there was a Fifth Blight, and the Chantry has far more popular influence outside (and maybe even inside) Ferelden than a single possibly dead Warden. Rally the masses against the heretic mages and their supporters, and then if the Hero of Ferelden interscedes that's his/her own damning proof against him/her.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 08 août 2010 - 01:05 .

[Kimarous]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Kimarous wrote...

As far as I'm aware, the idea of having mage autonomy is more about the templars not being directly involved with the tower. I mean, the templars could still act as a police force for apostates and abominations; they just wouldn't be directly looming over every aspect of the Circle. Yeah, the Divine might not be happy, but as far as I am aware, the Fereldan Circle hasn't completely severred ties with the Chantry. In fact, isn't that exactly the reason why Wynne is concerned about the meeting at Cumberland... because the Libertarians are trying to completely cut ties (a plan even Anders disagrees with)?

The unrestricted circle has unrestricted access to the Dwarves, and Lyrium. A monopoly on the lyrium trade is key to the Chantry's control of the Templars and mages from the other circles alike, and losing it can be a political, economic, and strategic earthquake.

Really? I'm pretty sure that the Chantry still holds the monopoly on the lyrium trade. The only reason the Chantry might possibly declare an Exalted March on Orzammar is when Dagna's research ends up attracting all manner of apostates, creating an unofficial Circle. However, even if you ask that the Fereldan Circle become independant, it is STILL an official Circle. It still has ties to the Chantry, the other Circles, and the various Colleges that make up Circle politics. "Independant" as they might be, the Divine has plenty of wiggle room to keep the Fereldan Circle under control without having to rely on an Exalted March.

[ArawnNox]

Kimarous wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Kimarous wrote...

As far as I'm aware, the idea of having mage autonomy is more about the templars not being directly involved with the tower. I mean, the templars could still act as a police force for apostates and abominations; they just wouldn't be directly looming over every aspect of the Circle. Yeah, the Divine might not be happy, but as far as I am aware, the Fereldan Circle hasn't completely severred ties with the Chantry. In fact, isn't that exactly the reason why Wynne is concerned about the meeting at Cumberland... because the Libertarians are trying to completely cut ties (a plan even Anders disagrees with)?

The unrestricted circle has unrestricted access to the Dwarves, and Lyrium. A monopoly on the lyrium trade is key to the Chantry's control of the Templars and mages from the other circles alike, and losing it can be a political, economic, and strategic earthquake.

Really? I'm pretty sure that the Chantry still holds the monopoly on the lyrium trade. The only reason the Chantry might possibly declare an Exalted March on Orzammar is when Dagna's research ends up attracting all manner of apostates, creating an unofficial Circle. However, even if you ask that the Fereldan Circle become independant, it is STILL an official Circle. It still has ties to the Chantry, the other Circles, and the various Colleges that make up Circle politics. "Independant" as they might be, the Divine has plenty of wiggle room to keep the Fereldan Circle under control without having to rely on an Exalted March.

Wait... what unofficial circle?
The only talk of an Exalted March on Orzammar is the result of brother Burkel being killed in a peacful demonstration as a result of the Assembly's imposed restrictions on the fledgling dwarven chantry. And even then, it was considered, but not acted on.

[Sarah1281]

ArawnNox wrote...

Kimarous wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Kimarous wrote...

As far as I'm aware, the idea of having mage autonomy is more about the templars not being directly involved with the tower. I mean, the templars could still act as a police force for apostates and abominations; they just wouldn't be directly looming over every aspect of the Circle. Yeah, the Divine might not be happy, but as far as I am aware, the Fereldan Circle hasn't completely severred ties with the Chantry. In fact, isn't that exactly the reason why Wynne is concerned about the meeting at Cumberland... because the Libertarians are trying to completely cut ties (a plan even Anders disagrees with)?

The unrestricted circle has unrestricted access to the Dwarves, and Lyrium. A monopoly on the lyrium trade is key to the Chantry's control of the Templars and mages from the other circles alike, and losing it can be a political, economic, and strategic earthquake.

Really? I'm pretty sure that the Chantry still holds the monopoly on the lyrium trade. The only reason the Chantry might possibly declare an Exalted March on Orzammar is when Dagna's research ends up attracting all manner of apostates, creating an unofficial Circle. However, even if you ask that the Fereldan Circle become independant, it is STILL an official Circle. It still has ties to the Chantry, the other Circles, and the various Colleges that make up Circle politics. "Independant" as they might be, the Divine has plenty of wiggle room to keep the Fereldan Circle under control without having to rely on an Exalted March.

Wait... what unofficial circle?
The only talk of an Exalted March on Orzammar is the result of brother Burkel being killed in a peacful demonstration as a result of the Assembly's imposed restrictions on the fledgling dwarven chantry. And even then, it was considered, but not acted on.

It might be acted on but we're never told one way or another. Many people, upon seeing just how badly the Brother Burkel quest ends, stop helping him but do help Dagna. If Burkel is not helped but Dagna is, her research leads to an unofficial circle of apostates taking up residence in Orzamamr and a Divine March being considered. When Burkel has established his Chantry and is slain turning the eyes of the Chantry on Orzammar already, I'm guessing those apostates don't feel Orzammar is safe enough and that if they go there it will definitely lead to an exalted march.

[Dean_the_Young]

Kimarous wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Kimarous wrote...

As far as I'm aware, the idea of having mage autonomy is more about the templars not being directly involved with the tower. I mean, the templars could still act as a police force for apostates and abominations; they just wouldn't be directly looming over every aspect of the Circle. Yeah, the Divine might not be happy, but as far as I am aware, the Fereldan Circle hasn't completely severred ties with the Chantry. In fact, isn't that exactly the reason why Wynne is concerned about the meeting at Cumberland... because the Libertarians are trying to completely cut ties (a plan even Anders disagrees with)?

The unrestricted circle has unrestricted access to the Dwarves, and Lyrium. A monopoly on the lyrium trade is key to the Chantry's control of the Templars and mages from the other circles alike, and losing it can be a political, economic, and strategic earthquake.

Really? I'm pretty sure that the Chantry still holds the monopoly on the lyrium trade. The only reason the Chantry might possibly declare an Exalted March on Orzammar is when Dagna's research ends up attracting all manner of apostates, creating an unofficial Circle. However, even if you ask that the Fereldan Circle become independant, it is STILL an official Circle. It still has ties to the Chantry, the other Circles, and the various Colleges that make up Circle politics. "Independant" as they might be, the Divine has plenty of wiggle room to keep the Fereldan Circle under control without having to rely on an Exalted March.

The independent Circle isn't supervized by the Chantry or Templars. They don't have wiggle room to regulate and restrict an independent Ferelden circle because they aren't there to stop it from doing what it likes... such as trading directly with the dwarves right under the new tower. While the Ferelden Circle is a Circle like the rest and can talk and work with the rest, the Chantry isn't calling the shots on what it can and can not do on its own. While mages can cooperate with the Chantry at this point, that's what it is: cooperation. It's the difference between voluntarily working with someone withwhom you can break ties (for good and ill) and being forced to work for someone.

Wynn can still be concerned about the Libertarians for two reasons. First is her politics, which is what her preferences are: preferences do not equate to facts on the ground. The second, and more relevant, is because Libertarians are across all the Mages as a whole, and can still hurt mages at a whole if they were to take influence in other circles that aren't free of the Chantry.

[Kimarous]

The way I see it is that the Circle attempting to be fully independant like that would be monumentally stupid. The Fereldan Circle is not Fereldan itself. Even if independance is acquired, this does not mean that the Templars are being kicked out of Fereldan. This does not mean that the Chantry isn't going to be watching them like a hawk. This does not mean the dwarves are going to compromise their ludicrous trade agreement with the surface world's most powerful organization outside of underworld smuggling operations. It's a fact that the Circle needs lyrium and trying to maintain the appropriate quantities to keep operating through smuggling would be even more expensive and dangerous than maintaining a balanced agreement with the Chantry as the middleman. Even if direct control cannot be maintained, the Chantry could keep them in line in the same manner they do Templars: their lyrium supply.

Modifié par Kimarous, 08 août 2010 - 08:08 .

[LobselVith8]

Kimarous wrote...

The way I see it is that the Circle attempting to be fully independant like that would be monumentally stupid. The Fereldan Circle is not Fereldan itself. Even if independance is acquired, this does not mean that the Templars are being kicked out of Fereldan. This does not mean that the Chantry isn't going to be watching them like a hawk. This does not mean the dwarves are going to compromise their ludicrous trade agreement with the surface world's most powerful organization outside of underworld smuggling operations.

The epilogue in DA:O actually states that, because the Warden helped Dagna, she wrote a theory on lyrium vapors and its relationship to magic that gains a lot of attention, inspiring mages across Thedas to go to Orzammar. The epilogue pretty much states that a new circle is established, and rumors of Orzammar harboring apostates causes outrage in the Chantry, with some thinking the Divine will lead an Exalted March against them. It looks like it doesn't really have anything to do with the Ferelden chapter at Kinloch Hold (the one overseen by First Enchanter Irving). I've heard that the epilogue isn't supposed to contain the line about outrage if you ask for the Circle to be independent, but I've personally always seen it regardless of whether I ask for the Magi boon or not.

Kimarous wrote...

It's a fact that the Circle needs lyrium and trying to maintain the appropriate quantities to keep operating through smuggling would be even more expensive and dangerous than maintaining a balanced agreement with the Chantry as the middleman. Even if direct control cannot be maintained, the Chantry could keep them in line in the same manner they do Templars: their lyrium supply.

Actually, the Chantry needs lyrium far more than the Circle, considering templars are addicted to it, and Orzammar only gives them a fraction of the ore. As to why the King would permit this, mages are pretty well regarded by Grey Wardens for battling darkspawn (as Duncan points out in Magi Origin). I can imagine Bhelen would see them as valuable in reclaiming thaigs lost to the darkspawn, and even if you decline to help Brother Burke, rumors of Burkel's actions trying to supplant worship of the ancestors with the Chantry would be a real threat to the direct line of power Bhelen commands as King over the dwarven people. I don't see Bhelen being intimidated by the Chantry, especially since they need Orzammar to supply them with lyrium to control the templars.

[Sarah1281]

The epilogue in DA:O actually states that, because the Warden helped Dagna, she wrote a theory on lyrium vapors and its relationship to magic that gains a lot of attention, inspiring mages across Thedas to go to Orzammar. The epilogue pretty much states that a new circle is established, and rumors of Orzammar harboring apostates causes outrage in the Chantry, with some thinking the Divine will lead an Exalted March against them. It looks like it doesn't really have anything to do with the Ferelden chapter at Kinloch Hold (the one overseen by First Enchanter Irving). I've heard that the epilogue isn't supposed to contain the line about outrage if you ask for the Circle to be independent, but I've personally always seen it regardless of whether I ask for the Magi boon or not.

The Circle in Orzammar only pops up if you don't help Burkel.



I'm not sure if not helping Burkel would put Orzammar in jeopardy. I mean, is the Chantry really going to freak out because one guy tried to start a Chantry and no one was interested?

[ArawnNox]

Sarah1281 wrote...

The epilogue in DA:O actually states that, because the Warden helped Dagna, she wrote a theory on lyrium vapors and its relationship to magic that gains a lot of attention, inspiring mages across Thedas to go to Orzammar. The epilogue pretty much states that a new circle is established, and rumors of Orzammar harboring apostates causes outrage in the Chantry, with some thinking the Divine will lead an Exalted March against them. It looks like it doesn't really have anything to do with the Ferelden chapter at Kinloch Hold (the one overseen by First Enchanter Irving). I've heard that the epilogue isn't supposed to contain the line about outrage if you ask for the Circle to be independent, but I've personally always seen it regardless of whether I ask for the Magi boon or not.

The Circle in Orzammar only pops up if you don't help Burkel.

I'm not sure if not helping Burkel would put Orzammar in jeopardy. I mean, is the Chantry really going to freak out because one guy tried to start a Chantry and no one was interested?

One word: Arlathalen.

[Sarah1281]

ArawnNox wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

The epilogue in DA:O actually states that, because the Warden helped Dagna, she wrote a theory on lyrium vapors and its relationship to magic that gains a lot of attention, inspiring mages across Thedas to go to Orzammar. The epilogue pretty much states that a new circle is established, and rumors of Orzammar harboring apostates causes outrage in the Chantry, with some thinking the Divine will lead an Exalted March against them. It looks like it doesn't really have anything to do with the Ferelden chapter at Kinloch Hold (the one overseen by First Enchanter Irving). I've heard that the epilogue isn't supposed to contain the line about outrage if you ask for the Circle to be independent, but I've personally always seen it regardless of whether I ask for the Magi boon or not.

The Circle in Orzammar only pops up if you don't help Burkel.

I'm not sure if not helping Burkel would put Orzammar in jeopardy. I mean, is the Chantry really going to freak out because one guy tried to start a Chantry and no one was interested?

One word: Arlathalen.

 That was different. The elven gods and the Maker were supposed to be enemies and they already had problems. It wasn't like they got along great or just ignored each other until a missionary came by, no one cared about him, and then the Chantry decided that couldn't be tolerated so they invaded.

Orzamamr and the Divine seem content to ignore each other. If Burkel is a missionary with an established Chantry (which the Shaper needs to okay) and he's slain and the rights of his followers are restricted or they're blatantly allowing a circle of apostates then grumbling makes sense but action may not be taken. Burken not having any luck opening a Chantry? Not really going to cause an international incident.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 08 août 2010 - 11:36 .

[ArawnNox]

Well, the revered mother in the Landsmeet gets really riled up if you reveal Jowan getting taken away from Templar justice and that's no different than the rumors of Orzammar harboring apostates isn't much different. The epilogue does say the Divine at least "considers" an Exalted March, as well. Probably decides against it with a lack of evidence, I'd assume.

Truth be told, though, I misread your post. ^^;