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[Daerog]

AlexXIV wrote...
That would be the Maker then? hehe

Oh, snap! I was able to beat up the Maker? No freakin way, the Warden is the biggest badass in the universe!

[AlexXIV]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
That would be the Maker then? hehe

Oh, snap! I was able to beat up the Maker? No freakin way, the Warden is the biggest badass in the universe!

No no, the Maker is just over-estimated obviously.

[Daerog]

AlexXIV wrote...

No no, the Maker is just over-estimated obviously.

Oh....

make the warden sound all super powerful then just shove the warden off the pedestal....

[captain.subtle]

I think, Uldred = Baroness, except that the Pride demon possessing the baroness was stronger... So She did not BECOME a demon... The demon only ovecome her will, like it says in the scrolls of Banastor...

[Marbazoid]

Maybe the old gods are actually very powerful fade spirits?



As for Andraste being Flemeth? sure why not. The chant of light is hardly proof of anything. The thing I like about dragon age, is the further back you go, the more vague the written history gets.



Remember the story of the witch of the wilds? the common tale and Flemeths own account were similar in names of people and places, but fundamentally different in the actual events.

[captain.subtle]

Actually No. The names are pretty accurate. Conobar WAS a teyrn to Highever. FLEMETH WAS the name of his wife.... Its all there in the Cousland history page which need not lie about anything....

[Arijharn]

If she were actually Andraste, she wouldn't have involved herself with Morrigan's plans to intercede her life and/or hunt down the Templars; those who praise her own religion. Even if this is not the case, there is always the benevolence you gain from Andraste's ashes in The Gauntlet. All I got from Flemeth was more and more confusion.

Would you believe totally if someone said they were Jesus? I mean, absolutely with no strings attached? People will always doubt.

Not only that, but seeing as the Chantry is run by (wo)men, and thus not Andraste herself, couldn't it make sense that some things changed? Everyone has their own variations of things they may want to believe more than other facets and invent all sorts of justifications of why it is so.

As to the OP, I don't necessarily agree or disagree, but it's interesting regardless.

[BlacKStorM ZeRo]

This is way off base. Flemeth is most definitely not Andraste.



Flemeth is more akin to Zathrian, the Dalish keeper, who made a deal with a demon to, among other things, live for a very, very long time. Why would Flemeth need to make a deal with a demon and "possess" her children if she was the semi-god Andraste? Andraste is definitely not evil, and Flemeth most definitely is.

[AlexXIV]

captain.subtle wrote...

Actually No. The names are pretty accurate. Conobar WAS a teyrn to Highever. FLEMETH WAS the name of his wife.... Its all there in the Cousland history page which need not lie about anything....

What strikes me though about the name Flemeth is that Flemeth/Flameth is acutally hinting to fire/flame. So it is a perfect name for a dragon. Which confirmed for me when Flemeth actually did transform into one. So why did she have the name Flemeth when she was still a normal human woman? Of course it could be coincidence. But there is no luck, only the force ...

[Anarya]

I don't think Flemeth as Andraste fits very well. It would also just come off as being too convenient in my opinion.

[Coyote Hunter]

Anarya wrote...

I don't think Flemeth as Andraste fits very well. It would also just come off as being too convenient in my opinion.

I'm also going to oppose this idea just because it would be bad writing.

[AlexXIV]

Anarya wrote...

I don't think Flemeth as Andraste fits very well. It would also just come off as being too convenient in my opinion.

What about Flemeth being Andraste's long lost twin sister then?

[_purifico_]

Anarya wrote...

I don't think Flemeth as Andraste fits very well. It would also just come off as being too convenient in my opinion.

Convenient for whom or for what exactly?)

[Anarya]

_purifico_ wrote...

Anarya wrote...

I don't think Flemeth as Andraste fits very well. It would also just come off as being too convenient in my opinion.

Convenient for whom or for what exactly?)

The writers I guess. I don't really think they'd take that route though.

[yummysoap]

It would be nice, because I'd love to kill Andraste for her moronic religious crusades and slaughter, but I don't think it's all too likely.

If it does seem to be the case then I'll still think it's a cop-out "I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE" moment because everything Flemeth does seems to indicate otherwise.

EDIT:

Some guy whose name I can't remember so I'm just going to put this here instead said...
Andraste is definitely not evil, and Flemeth most definitely is.

We don't really know that. Andraste could have been the evilest b*tch Thedas ever conjured, using blood magic to manipulate the minds of her followers to believe that she was literally the wife of their God and using them to fight against the imperial magisters because of their own blood magic being a threat to her power.

She also could have been an utter saint, but it's difficult for me considering she led her "convert or die" exalted march, and gave birth to a religion that continued to crusade against cultures that didn't buy into her Spouse O' God story.

Just about everyone in Ferelden is Andastrian, save the dwarves and elves. It's not like we weren't going to hear anything other than "HAIL ANDRASTE OMG" from them, but that doesn't make it true.

Modifié par yummysoap, 07 août 2010 - 03:03 .

[Northern Sun]

It seems weird that the person Thedas worships as the bride of the maker is an abomination who spends most of her time kidnapping Chasind, having sex with them, and then killing them; as well as bringing back Old Gods that her husband supposedly imprisoned.



Still, I think it'd be cool if Flemeth was Andraste, if only because I could rub it in the face of the Chantry.

[AlexXIV]

yummysoap wrote...

It would be nice, because I'd love to kill Andraste for her moronic religious crusades and slaughter, but I don't think it's all too likely.

If it does seem to be the case then I'll still think it's a cop-out "I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE" moment because everything Flemeth does seems to indicate otherwise.

Well we know next to nothing about Andraste aside from myths and legends ... and some sanctimonious, preachy Chantry. Only thing that impressed me about the Chantry was actually that Duncan seemed to be believing in the Maker and such, but reading the timelines it shows the Warden converted to the Chant because some orlesian emperor saved their asses, which impressed them enough. But other than that there is no reason to believe anything comming from them.

[yummysoap]

I edited my above post in acknowledgement that we don't really know anything about her, but I'd still say it's a bit bloody weird that old Andraste would kill her followers and practically rape barbarian men while sitting about spouting nonsensical riddles. It would seem more likely she'd be out encouraging the sanctimonious preachy tarts than damning them.

[AlexXIV]

Northern Sun wrote...

It seems weird that the person Thedas worships as the bride of the maker is an abomination who spends most of her time kidnapping Chasind, having sex with them, and then killing them; as well as bringing back Old Gods that her husband supposedly imprisoned.

Still, I think it'd be cool if Flemeth was Andraste, if only because I could rub it in the face of the Chantry.

It seems also weird that the one who should bring balance to the force turned out to become the one bringing down the republic and hunting the Jedi to near extinction. Also it is weird that highly respected men of faith suddenly turn out to be molesting the children they were supposed to protect. Not trying to go into religious debates or anything, just saying things can be different than they look, and just because something is weird it doesn't mean that it isn't true or unlikely to happen.

[Brockololly]

Is this just déjà vu or wasn't there a thread just like this not too long ago?



And no, Flemeth is not Andraste.

[Brockololly]

My favorite ridiculous theory is that Hawke is the offspring of Flemeth and Maric from The Stolen Throne- making Morrigan his/her sis and Alistair his/her half bro!

imported_beer wrote...
I can totally see how Andraste went from Messiah to crazy lady.

That would be kind of a neat spin on things- if you're thinking you're the Messiah in the first place, you might be a bit off your rocker....

Modifié par Brockololly, 07 août 2010 - 03:26 .

[AlexXIV]

Brockololly wrote...

My favorite ridiculous theory is that Hawke is the offspring of Flemeth and Maric from The Stolen Throne- making Morrigan his/her sis and Alistair his/her half bro!

imported_beer wrote...
I can totally see how Andraste went from Messiah to crazy lady.

That would be kind of a neat spin on things- if you're thinking you're the Messiah in the first place, you might be a bit off your rocker....

Oh I'd love it if Hawke was Flemeth's offspring. But then Flemeth can't be a LI.

[JSB93]

Brockololly wrote...

My favorite ridiculous theory is that Hawke is the offspring of Flemeth and Maric from The Stolen Throne- making Morrigan his/her sis and Alistair his/her half bro!

imported_beer wrote...
I can totally see how Andraste went from Messiah to crazy lady.

That would be kind of a neat spin on things- if you're thinking you're the Messiah in the first place, you might be a bit off your rocker....

I still want to know what Maric promised her .

[Mecha Tengu]

The maker is a reaper