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[Asch Lavigne]

An interesting theory but all the tales of the Witch of The Wilds, told by Leliana and Morrigan in any way, shape or form have nothing to do with Andraste. There has never been any link between the two.

Also, if you played Witch Hunt and/or the demo, Flemeth and Morrigan seem to have some connection to the Dalish Elves.

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 23 février 2011 - 08:59 .

[blueruin]

 I don't know if the DA writers intend for Flemeth to be Andraste, but given the little hints dropped here and there, it could definitely be possible if they wanted to write in that direction.

It's relatively clear (from Wynne's book gift) that Andraste was possibly not the "Maker's bride" at all but rather a very powerful mage; whatever she may have espoused was likely corrupted by the Chantry over the centuries.  If Oghren is at the Urn of Sacred Ashes, he will theorize that the healing properties of the ashes actually come from the uncommonly large veins of lyrium in those mountains.

Imagine if Flemeth was indeed Andraste -- centuries of surviving after being repeatedly betrayed by the world of men would probably leave you a little bitter and batty like Flemeth's personality.  It's also clear from conversations with Morrigan in Origins that, at least some of the things that have been said about Flemeth (leading armies and the like) were refuted by her mother and untrue.  Andraste and Flemeth are both figures shrouded in myth and propaganda, and "revealing what really happened" contrary to the myths seems to be a theme the DA writers love to play with.

Also, Andaste is known as a prophet.  Flemeth is the only character we've met in DA who has obvious powers of prophecy.  In Origins, she knew the Grey Warden for who he was, and what he would become.  In the DA2 demo, Flemeth tells Hawke, with profundity, something like "the world will shake before you" and weirds him out for a minute.  She also makes reference to an "appointment" she has to keep, which likely refers to her knowing that the Warden would return to confront her.

Modifié par blueruin, 24 février 2011 - 01:35 .

[cactusberry]

According to the Cult of Andastre maybe.



Flemeth: "Maybe I AM a dragon."

[DrunkenMonkey]

necro thread?

[RPGamer13]

I didn't raise it, but if someone hadn't I wouldn't have known about.



It is weird, byt earlier today I had an epiphany that Flemeth could plausibly be Andraste. The crap Andraste went through could very well make someone change to fit Flemeth's profile, it makes sense Andraste would want revenge for something.



Could very well be a: "what if Joan of Arc really was a witch and survived her own 'burning to death'" thing on Bioware's part, I wouldn't put it past them.

[Encarmine]

cool thread, My own view is that Flemith is one of the last remaining Old Gods, from befor the Tevinter Imperium, one of the minor gods perhaps, but still semi divine

[megaz635]

Screw Andraste.



Instead of pouring blood into the ashes, Throw them into someones face.

[dam0dred]

Interesting idea. It makes more sense that Andraste was a very cunning, clever powerful mage who wanted to overthrow the powers that be than being the "bride of the maker" as the chantry likes to claim. Sounds a lot like the Flemeth of today.

[Rawgrim]

Andraste`s ashes was found though. And they worked too, when healing the arl. Ergo Flemeth is not Andraste.

[ObserverStatus]

I disagree, Flemeth is Varric.

[Dendens]

Rawgrim wrote...

Andraste`s ashes was found though. And they worked too, when healing the arl. Ergo Flemeth is not Andraste.

If you bring Oghren he'll say he thinks it's the lyrium veins in the mountain that gives the healing properties, not the ashes. So they could be anyones. And we've already been shown Flemeth can possess others.

In saying that. I don't think Flemeth is Andraste. I wish she was (Because that would just be like crazy cool)\\, but....


No.

Andraste is innocent until proven Flemeth

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

Flemeth is the Maker, and she's having the time of her life watching those idiotic humans build up a religion about "Him".



Or, she's Dragon Age's version of Fizban. Though you may have to be an old geeky fart to get that.

[blueruin]

PurebredCorn wrote...

This makes me wonder if Andraste's "marriage" to the maker wasn't something akin to what Anders and "Justice" have. 

Yeah.  Who knows what the nature of her immortality actually entails, but I think the pieces would fit rather well if Flemeth was formerly Andraste.  She could have survived being burned at the stake, just as she survived being slain by the Warden.  I wouldn't be surprised though, if this was one of those things that the writers would continue to drop hints about and never explicitly confirm.  It's always more interesting when it's open to interpretation.

[Staff777]

I rebumped the thread........ props to me?

[MajorLeviathan]

All ive been reading is that You guys think flemeth is a God. NO! HAve you even played Origins? I remember her telling me that she was possessed by a demon so she could have the power to take revenge on someone. And if Morrigan said that she's not an abomination or human, SHE"S A DEMON! Out of this whole topic i never read anything about anyone other than nisallik and wickedwizzard01 ever mentioning her as a demon. Btw, just because the elves idolize her as the "woman of many years" does not mean she's the dread wolf.

[DocDoomII]

tl;dr

My guess si that 'Flemeth' is one of the remaining two Old Gods who managed to merge with the original human Flemeth creating an abomination of immensely great power.
The God-Child, from what Morrigan says is something Flemeth instructed her into obtaining.
My guess in this is that Flemeth hope is to use the purified essence of an Old God to escape from her prison underground in a more complete manner*, avoiding to be found by darkspawn, transformed in an Archdemon and slayed like the other ones.
Something like the God Child killing Flemeth for real so that her essence will flow inside him or something like that.

*If I remember correctly even if merged in Abomination-form, a demon is still in the fade, somehow. So the real essence of the Old God coul very well be still in it's body underground.

Modifié par DocDoomII, 13 avril 2011 - 09:05 .

[Hatchetman77]

So who would win in a fight between Flemeth and the Archdemon.....<hic>

[FFLB]

Hm... is that how the idea of Andraste being reincarnated as a dragon came about? It makes sense. Maybe she is a dragon in human form... since humans would be more prone to identify with a human figure rather than a dragon, I'm assuming.

And I'd pick Flemeth over the Archdemon. She probably has a spell that would fling hundreds of live humans, dwarves, and elves at it until its HP reaches 0. It would suck to be the one to get that final hit in then. Oh, and the spell would of course add the darkspawn taint to their blood.

[Hatchetman77]

FFLB wrote...

Hm... is that how the idea of Andraste being reincarnated as a dragon came about? It makes sense. Maybe she is a dragon in human form... since humans would be more prone to identify with a human figure rather than a dragon, I'm assuming.

And I'd pick Flemeth over the Archdemon. She probably has a spell that would fling hundreds of live humans, dwarves, and elves at it until its HP reaches 0. It would suck to be the one to get that final hit in then. Oh, and the spell would of course add the darkspawn taint to their blood.

And if Flemith is Andraste, she can call on THE MAKER!!