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[Melness]

When did video games become communism?

The moment internet supposedly did.

Be thankful this post wasn't a russian reversal =D

[ladydesire]

filaminstrel wrote...


ability to use mods (I doubt putting the toolset on the console is do-able though), not go in the opposite direction and remove those functionalities from the PC version.

Using mods on the consoles is up to the hardware maker (Microsoft and Sony) as from what I've seen using the toolset for the past 8 or 9 months the toolset already can make them; the lack of a toolset specific to DA2 isn't a serious problem as long as the core game files are the same as for DAO (which I assume they are).

[Bryy_Miller]

jln.francisco wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

So what you're saying is PC gamers should lose the perks we've had for deacdes simply because you don't want to drop $500 and build yourself a decent PC to have those benefits? Wonderful.

No. I think what he's saying is "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Look at those silly PC gamers. How's it feel, huh? HOW'S IT FEEL?!"

Not being a rude, self-entitled little brat feels pretty good, actually.

thesuperdarkone wrote...

WOW Bioware. I never knew that they would do this. Now Bioware isn't the same anymore. Now it is just EA! No Dwarf or Elf Protagonists in DA2 D:.

Wait, so EA is the devil because you can't pick a race?

[2papercuts]

condiments1 wrote...

Anyone who thinks the removal of an aerial view won't have an effect on combat is fooling themselves.

but it will be just like fable now

[Kohaku]

cmessaz wrote...

Ok, I am a console user. I played DAO on the PS3 for many months, and only went to the PC version for modding. I still play ALL other games on my PS3. Saying that they should do away with modding for the PC version to make PC users "even" with console users doesn't make much sense to me. I play Oblivion on the PS3 and not the PC, despite the availability of mods. I know that when I play a PS3 game I won't be able to mod it and I'm fine with that. I'm not gonna say PC gamers should suffer because PS3/XBox360 users can't do the same things to their game. O.o

Exactly. I buy games equally for my PS3, 360, PC and now my Wii. I know there are certain things companies just aren't able to do on each platform. Yes, maybe Bioware could make a Wii port of DA: O but who in the hell is fooling themselves to it'll look the same on it. Only the delusional. Taking parts away parts that others didn’t even have access to make it even is silly. Simple.

[Zjarcal]

RageGT wrote...

You really should see the amazing mods done for Gothic 1,2,3, Risen, the Witcher, Oblivion, Morrowind... and I can only imagine (with pain just for the thought) what piece of whatever would be NWN without the toolset and the online servers with amazing worlds/stories. The OC was really just a demo of the toolset capabilities then.

And if you think PC market is broken, well, it may indeed be, for broken (bugged)  games, broken spirited companies, etc. I bet that it is not broken for Blizzard, CD Projekt/Atari, JoWooD/Spellbound, Piranha Bytes/Deep Silver, to mention just a few of them. I'd rather BioWare would not even bother to release a console game for the PC in such conditions.

Oh, and I recently noticed that the 900MB community patch made for Gothic 3, after Publisher and Dev broke out and the devs were forbidden to patch the game, was made with contribution by CD Projekt and Spellbound people, along with some of the original devs people "incognito".

And if they think the PC market doesn't deserve their consideration anymore, perhaps because of file sharing, I'll gladly post a number of images of which pirated console disks will be for sale in the streets. Because it will be there. They are all there. All of the console exclusive games are there and sell more than the real thing. Since I don't have a console and will not have one anytime soon (My PC rocks and there are and there will always be awesome games made for it, not merely adapted from a console piece-of-fill-the-blank!)

The strategic view, while some people claim not to use it att all, is a very important tool specially in higher difficulty, to let us evaluate a battlefield. And it's is at 1 mouse wheel click so it's very fast and practical to use it and back to close combat.

Ok, fist of all, at what point in any of my 3 or 4 posts did I say anything about the PC market being broken? That was another guy who kept claiming that pirates break the PC market and bla, bla, bla... Like if piracy wasn't a big issue on consoles too, hmmph.

The PC market is anything but broken.

Now with that clarification out of the way, allow me to say that I love modding communities. I've seen some of the mods for the games you mentioned and they are nothing short of amazing. You mentioned a 900Mb patch for Gothic and that's great. One game I can think of that has been "saved" by the community is Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines. I played that game in late 2008 (four years after its release) and I was shocked to see that the community was still adding patches and enhancements to the game. Talk about dedication!

But, while all these things are great, when people start complaining that a game is "incomplete" without a toolset or modding tools of any kind, well that's just nonsense. This are extra features that we treasure and for them to go away is surely a loss, but saying that game is ruined because of the lack of it is pushing it a bit.

Of course (and like I said in a previous post), I am somewhat concerned about the modding community not being able to fix some of the issues that could be present in the game (such as the dialog issues in Origins). I can only hope that either there won't be many issues this time around (unlikely to be honest) or that Bioware will get better at patching their games (we'll see about that one).

Finally, I want to address two things you mentioned in your post. First, I have played the OC of NWN (unmodded) and I loved it. If you thought it was worthless well, what can I say, our opinions differ. Second, I agree that the strategic view is very useful at higher difficulty levels (I play on nightmare so I know what you're talking about), but I wouldn't say that the game is ruined for the lack of it. I used it in some of the tougher battles (Cauthrien for instance) but I could see myself getting used to not having it since I was in third person view 95% of  the time.

[LadyKarrakaz]

Please, don't turn this thread into a PC/Console War. Both versions have definitely lost all hope for isometric view. And the loss of the toolset only concerns PC users, sure, but all of them (unofficial patches are often game savers).

Modifié par Purple Lady, 07 août 2010 - 10:19 .

[ladydesire]

AlanC9 wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...
 but, it was never very fair that PC players who could afford the Computer Rigs required to run DAO and the Toolset had, in essence, a "Superior" version of the game with room for modding, while those of us who must depend on Consoles for our Gaming were left in the dust.

So you want PC gamers dragged down to the console level? If you can't have it, we shouldn't?

Well, at least you're honest about being a jerk

I think he's blaming the wrong party for not being able to use mods, since it's not Bioware that decides if the console version of their game can have mods used in it.

[condiments1]

glenboy24 wrote...

I have not gone through all the posts, as such I'm not up to date on any other viewpoints, however, I will simply say that with all due respect to my PC cousins and the talented Modders out there I, for one, am quite pleased to know that DA2 will not have a Toolset nor the Asometric camera. It seems petulant, and for that I apologize, but, it was never very fair that PC players who could afford the Computer Rigs required to run DAO and the Toolset had, in essence, a "Superior" version of the game with room for modding, while those of us who must depend on Consoles for our Gaming were left in the dust. The simple fact is, consoles comprise the majority of the *primary* gaming Market, with some small exceptions going to PCs for genres like MMOs and RTS titles - i.e. Starcraft II-

Hopefully, BioWare is just one of many previous PC centric developers to put their full attention on Consoles. Doing so creates a much more stable and cost-efficient product with less chance for bugs. I think DAO's well documented gliches and bugs can be attributed to BioWare's creative resources being stretched too thin. The more focus given to consoles, the less likely we'll have to endure long waits for patches or even the need for them such as with Mass Effect 2 which, for almost all players, contains no game breaking glitches on consoles. Now, if the OP's Article proves to be incorrect, I shall be happy for the Mod Community. However, if it is true, I'll take an even greater measure of comfort in the knowledge that for Dragon Age's second outing, both Console and PC gamers are on a level playing field.

You take comfort a signifcant portion of the audience will enjoy less features? Um, that isn't very nice you know.

Guess Blizzard should look into making Starcraft 3 a third person shooter, because poor console owners can't enjoy it in its current state.

[Brockololly]

glenboy24 wrote...

I have not gone through all the posts, as such I'm not up to date on any other viewpoints, however, I will simply say that with all due respect to my PC cousins and the talented Modders out there I, for one, am quite pleased to know that DA2 will not have a Toolset nor the Asometric camera. It seems petulant, and for that I apologize, but, it was never very fair that PC players who could afford the Computer Rigs required to run DAO and the Toolset had, in essence, a "Superior" version of the game with room for modding, while those of us who must depend on Consoles for our Gaming were left in the dust. The simple fact is, consoles comprise the majority of the *primary* gaming Market, with some small exceptions going to PCs for genres like MMOs and RTS titles - i.e. Starcraft II-

Hopefully, BioWare is just one of many previous PC centric developers to put their full attention on Consoles. Doing so creates a much more stable and cost-efficient product with less chance for bugs. I think DAO's well documented gliches and bugs can be attributed to BioWare's creative resources being stretched too thin. The more focus given to consoles, the less likely we'll have to endure long waits for patches or even the need for them such as with Mass Effect 2 which, for almost all players, contains no game breaking glitches on consoles. Now, if the OP's Article proves to be incorrect, I shall be happy for the Mod Community. However, if it is true, I'll take an even greater measure of comfort in the knowledge that for Dragon Age's second outing, both Console and PC gamers are on a level playing field.

I'm sorry man, I know you're usually a thoughtful poster, but thats just a dick post.

You're saying that if you can't be bothered to piece together a cheap PC capable of playing Origins then nobody should benefit from the toolset or isometric camera? So you're saying screw PC gaming because you don't have a gaming PC? Thats BS. DA2 won't have any better support for the consoles because the PC version is getting gimped. If anything, it will have just as many bugs but with the absence of the toolset for modders to fix and restore content we'll just never know what was bugged in the first place- like Awakening's missing letters or the botched Morrigan epilogue slide in Awakening.

Modifié par Brockololly, 07 août 2010 - 10:23 .

[Adanu]

If this if true, Bioware just lost my buy. I *want* DA2... but I'm not looking to support such stupidity.

Bioware, you have lost your way.

Modifié par Adanu, 07 août 2010 - 10:19 .

[Merci357]

Well, since BioWare has already been, with JE and ME, a console first, PC later developer, I guess I've to be gratefull they still want to develop for PC's at all, even though it's a simple console version with all it's limitations, again. One might wonder why Blizzard isn't a shining example to other developers - there is serious money in the PC market after all.

[Saerwen]

@Adanu : pg 10 of this forum

[Giant ambush beetle]

However, if it is true, I'll take an even greater measure of comfort in the knowledge that for Dragon Age's second outing, both Console and PC gamers are on a level playing field.

Oh yeah make it worse for PC gamers so everyone is equally happy! Oh, wait....



The recent news really disappoint the hell out of me, the only thing I like about DA2 since it was announced months ago is the new race artwork . Everything else is just a big farce, dumbing everything down for the younger audience / consoles just for the sake of money.



But I am not surprised at all, its happening to all games now, this is just another hit in the stomach for us dispensable PC gamers.



And now excuse me while I go puke in the corner.

[AlanC9]

Man -- glenboy may have just made the all-time worst-received post in the history of the forum.

[whalleywhat]

This isn't really that big of a deal. I've got a pretty big backlog and limited money to spend on games, so BioWare just did me a solid on both fronts.

[Giggles_Manically]

AlanC9 wrote...

Man -- glenboy may have just made the all-time worst-received post in the history of the forum.

Theres no war like a class war

[Marionetten]

jln.francisco wrote...

I think I'll go crawl into this corner and wait for... hell at this point the Second Coming I guess.

Or you could just wait for The Witcher 2 and support someone who actually supports you.

I know I intend to.

[Nerevar-as]

AlanC9 wrote...

Man -- glenboy may have just made the all-time worst-received post in the history of the forum.

Basically saying that if I can´t have something I´m glad you can´t either isn´t going to make friends.

[Onyx Jaguar]

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[vguy]

Damn, DA2 is sounding more like fail for the pc with every new thread I read.

[condiments1]

So we can safely say Dragon Age 2 has so far been an unmitigated PR disaster on Bioware's part.