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[DragonRageGT]

tmacairjordan87 wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

tmacairjordan87 wrote...

Piracy's worse on consoles? I don't see anyone going around saying 90% of the people who played their console game pirated it.

I'm curious to know what developer is making the claim their games have a 90% piracy rate.

http://www.joystiq.c...e-amnesty-sale/

Most recent example.  They claim 5-15% paid for it.

Just face it, Bioware couldn't resist the allure of the real master race.  Plus, they are a company, and I assume they do like to actually make money after all.

Did you guys read the comments on that article?

"Brotip: The large majority of the money you pay for a game goes to the publisher, not the devs. You really want to support the devs? Pirate it and mail the price of the game to the headquarters of said dev and tell them to split it."

LOL

I'd say, if you guys want to stop piracy, first learn where does the file leaks from and who sends the gold master to the Chinese factory that presses the physical copies.

The 2 million units destroyed after aprehension I posted above... that is from ONE town in this PLANET and for a very short period of time. Imagine how many more are not aprehended and how many more cities in this planet sells them.

And assuming that the production of that pirated stuff is only 10x of this single aprehension, we're talking 20 million units. If they were produced is because there is a market for it and they are expected to be sold! Now, can anyone really think that the production is only 10x that? In a 6 billion people planet? What's the size of the  market for pirated products? Are you sure that the Louis Vitton purse you gave your girlfriend is a legit one?

Anyone trying to compare the physical piracy to software downloading is not really paying any attention to what is happening outside his/her PC or Console. Stop playing and go see the real world for a bit. Does Organized Crime mean anything to you? You really want to compare that to people who share files over the internet? If you start putting them all in the same sack, you'll end up stoning a woman for adultery!

[exoproto]

cmessaz wrote...

No we are saying that the ability to make mods and repair bugs made the replay value of this game higher.

I think Kaiser was talking about the vast number of people here saying something along the lines of "WHAT? No toolset? Forget it, I aint buying the game then."

[cmessaz]

Estel78 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Estel78 wrote...

I didn't notice a lot of bugs. I don't care for mods that change item stats or anything that goes beyond cosmetics so no toolset is no big loss for me.

You haven't? So Alistair has never referred to himself as king for you when he isn't, and his pre-romance kiss scene isn't broken? Among many other things?

No.

Well you must have a magical copy because it is impossible. Alistair will always refer to himself as king when he's not in vanilla.

[2papercuts]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

2papercuts wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

2papercuts wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Vandrayke wrote...

shedevil3001 wrote...

its not really so hard to understand that many would be upset by no toolset alot of hard work goes into mods and alot of time and effort to

I get that.  I don't get the, "there's no point in even playing this game," mentality, though.  Like a game cannot possibly be good unless it meets X prerequisites.  

I don't think you want to understand, this is supposed to be a sequel to dao not an everything changed in the game.

SEQUEL is not a subjective term. It is a SEQUEL because they deem it one. The people that MADE IT. Please don't go into that territory. Don't do that "you are just not getting the point" BS. Please. It just makes you look like a buffoon.

this is a post that makes you look like an ****

I disagree, they are 100% right, face it. 

didn't say they weren't true, but he asked what make him look like a dick

Well, I mean, seriously, fchopin was totally blowing that other poster off.

his opinion, but i don't see him calling the other guy a buffoon or something

[andar91]

epoch_ wrote...

Estel78 wrote...

sami jo wrote...

The game itself is horribly bugged.

Again, DAO was horribly buggy? I didn't notice that.

Then you're blind because you certainly don't have a special non buggy copy of the game.

I haven't had problems with bugs either, and I've never modded mine (well, except for a set of hairstyles).

[Morroian]

condiments1 wrote...

Where is bioware to quell this ****storm they've potentially created? Does this mean there is truth to this article?

Ugh.

Its the weekend.

[Fishy]

File sharing such a bad thing.make sure every book ,cd and everything burned down so everyone will be stupid .Only the ppl who can afford to learn will learn..





BURNNNNNNNNNNNNN EVERYTHIIIIIIIING.. DESTROOOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY



mega corporation need to rule us all .. All your base belong to us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Remind me who created counter-strike?A mega corporation?

No a basement Dweller.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Anyone trying to compare the physical piracy to software downloading is not really paying any attention to what is happening outside his/her PC or Console.

But the copyright infringement!

[2papercuts]

andar91 wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

Estel78 wrote...

sami jo wrote...

The game itself is horribly bugged.

Again, DAO was horribly buggy? I didn't notice that.

Then you're blind because you certainly don't have a special non buggy copy of the game.

I haven't had problems with bugs either, and I've never modded mine (well, except for a set of hairstyles).

really? none of alistar thinking hes king when hes not, knowing about the DR without being told and then forgetting, wynne showing up after you killed her...

Modifié par 2papercuts, 08 août 2010 - 12:42 .

[LadyKarrakaz]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

2papercuts wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

2papercuts wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Vandrayke wrote...

shedevil3001 wrote...

its not really so hard to understand that many would be upset by no toolset alot of hard work goes into mods and alot of time and effort to

I get that.  I don't get the, "there's no point in even playing this game," mentality, though.  Like a game cannot possibly be good unless it meets X prerequisites.  

I don't think you want to understand, this is supposed to be a sequel to dao not an everything changed in the game.

SEQUEL is not a subjective term. It is a SEQUEL because they deem it one. The people that MADE IT. Please don't go into that territory. Don't do that "you are just not getting the point" BS. Please. It just makes you look like a buffoon.

this is a post that makes you look like an ****

I disagree, they are 100% right, face it. 

didn't say they weren't true, but he asked what make him look like a dick

Well, I mean, seriously, fchopin was totally blowing that other poster off.

OK PEOPLE, STOP THIS NOW OR I REPORT ALL YOUR POSTS.

This place is civilized. Keep the conversation as such. We're discussing the lack of toolset and iso view, not raging a flaming war. Thanks.
I don't want this thread locked.

Modifié par Purple Lady, 08 août 2010 - 12:42 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Remind me who created counter-strike?A mega corporation?



No a basement Dweller.

Tell me how this story ended

[ladydesire]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

So let me get this straight: according to you guys, what made Dragon Age: Origins great weren't the marvelous characters, the country of Ferelden, the epic storyline or the classic combat system... but the abilities to fix a few small bugs yourselves, create a custom piece of equipment or two, mod your characters' appearances and a toolset apparently that difficult to work with that there hasn't been something worth calling a module yet?

If so, consider me at a loss for words.

I'm sure there are plenty of modders that have either finished mods (other than bug fix mods) or are putting them together now that would disagree with the part about there not being something worth calling a module (including me), but for some players the core game is just an example of what can be done with the toolset and the draw for those players is the ability to play what other players have created. Without a toolset for DA2, and with no official indication of whether the DAO toolset will be updated to support it, those players are, to my way of thinking, rightfully disappointed with a game that is looking less and less like the game they've enjoyed playing these last few months, even though it bears a similar name.

[cmessaz]

andar91 wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

Estel78 wrote...

sami jo wrote...

The game itself is horribly bugged.

Again, DAO was horribly buggy? I didn't notice that.

Then you're blind because you certainly don't have a special non buggy copy of the game.

I haven't had problems with bugs either, and I've never modded mine (well, except for a set of hairstyles).

Wow. Alistair will always say he's king in the DR conversation unmodded. His pre-tenting kiss will not trigger properly in vanilla, and Leliana will NOT agree to be King Cousland's mistress in vanilla, even hardened. These are facts. Maybe some haven't noticed them but trust me they are there. And those are only a few.

Modifié par cmessaz, 08 août 2010 - 12:44 .

[Morroian]

FedericoV wrote...

Kotor combat wasn't that great, but imho even DA:O's combat system is pretty awful. If I start to make a list of al the feature I do not like about DA:O's combat I would fill a page or two, but that's not the place. Briefly, I would say that the pause&play/isometric combat system that worked so well for the IE games based on AD&D (wich is a turn game), do not worked very well with the cooldown system of DA:O (since it forced the player to use the stupid tactics or to pause the game every second).

The fact that you were forced to use tactics was the point, and no they weren't stupid if you used them properly. However if they are getting rid of the top down viewpoint on the PC they will have to implement queuing.

[andar91]

@OP: would you mind providing the quotes you translated in french? I'm not doubting your translating skills, I just think it would be nice to have them for completeness' sake, and if people want to check, then they can.

[Estel78]

Dick Delaware wrote...

The iso view added a lot to Origins. Iso isn't the only way to make combat work, but for a party-based RPG, I'm hard-pressed to think of a better way.

Iso basically is an even more zoomed out view but even on consoles you had a pretty good overview in my opinion so i think it's not THAT HUGE a difference, really.

[2papercuts]

Purple Lady wrote...

[color=rgb(255,0,0)">OK PEOPLE, STOP ]THIS NOW OR I REPORT ALL YOUR POSTS. [/color]

This place is civilized. Keep the conversation as such. We're discussing the lack of toolset and iso view, not raging a flaming war. Thanks.
I don't want this thread locked.

he asked a question, it wasn't raging

[Patriciachr34]

There seems to be a conflictof information here.  The August "Game Informer" article written by Joe Juba states, "The PC version implements the same strategic approach afforded by a mouse-and-keyboard control scheme.  You can examine the battlefield closely, make decisions from a top-down view, and direct your party like a general." (Page 57).

Based on this information, it appers that the PC player will in fact be able to change perspective if they so choose.  So, who is correct here?

[Bryy_Miller]

*facepalm*
This is not flaming.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 08 août 2010 - 12:46 .

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

exoproto wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

No we are saying that the ability to make mods and repair bugs made the replay value of this game higher.

I think Kaiser was talking about the vast number of people here saying something along the lines of "WHAT? No toolset? Forget it, I aint buying the game then."

I'm not going to buy it at full price maybe with a steam holiday deal I will. Maybe I'm not sure. Compile the list of changes I myself dislike this game. It sounds less and less interesting to me. I have to force myself to be excited for this game because BioWare has beat the sod out of my hopes for DA:2, so yes you could say this no Toolset is the nail in the coffin, because the toolset would allow me to modify some things that I didn't like. Increasing the value of the game to me, but without not too interested at all.

[cmessaz]

NM

Modifié par cmessaz, 08 août 2010 - 12:49 .

[LadyKarrakaz]

andar91 wrote...

@OP: would you mind providing the quotes you translated in french? I'm not doubting your translating skills, I just think it would be nice to have them for completeness' sake, and if people want to check, then they can.

The original (French) quotes are in the French forum thread I created here. Check the end of first post. They are mostly the same, though French tends to be a bit longer than English. And don't forget that it's already the translation made by the journalist of Mr Laidlaw's answers.

I'll add the link to first post of this thread, in case other are interested.

Modifié par Purple Lady, 08 août 2010 - 12:52 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

slimgrin wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

So let me get this straight: according to you guys, what made Dragon Age: Origins great weren't the marvelous characters, the country of Ferelden, the epic storyline or the classic combat system... but the abilities to fix a few small bugs yourselves, create a custom piece of equipment or two, mod your characters' appearances and a toolset apparently that difficult to work with that there hasn't been something worth calling a module yet?

If so, consider me at a loss for words.

You have to understand something. PC gamers are used to having so many more options than console gamers. Options for controls, and for controllers. Options for getting involved and creating their own content. Options for higher graphical settings and larger, more intensive games. Thats the pc gaming heritage.

When it comes down to it, games made specifically for pc are a different beast altogether than console games. Maybe you don't game on the pc, or are unfamiliar with all this. But you're attempts at trivializing an amazing gaming platform are pretty lame.

So I guess what I'm saying is: troll elsewhere.

I don't see how he was trolling with that post.  There are numerous posts in the thread that claim that the toolset is a game breaker.  When we already have a toolset for this engine.  Excuse me for finding it a bit redundant. 

I would have expected the actual gameplay revelation being the major issue.  The gameplay revelation isn't the issue here it seems outside of a few drowned out posts its the packaging revelation. 

[JamieCOTC]

Combat on the consoles is being streamlined to better utilize the
controller interface. Combat on the PC should be largely the same.
[GameInformer article]

- from the What do we know thread.

So, BW told one gaming magazine one thing and then changed their minds?  wtf?  Every time I get a little bit enthusiastic about this game, something comes along and destroys it.  BW said "we don't won't the same old, same old." I say, great, so why are they giving us Masds Effect2? My enthusiasm for this thing has hit rock bottom.  Oh, and uh, I hate the name Hawke.