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[TheMadCat]

tmacairjordan87 wrote...

http://www.joystiq.c...e-amnesty-sale/

Most recent example.  They claim 5-15% paid for it.

Just face it, Bioware couldn't resist the allure of the real master race.  Plus, they are a company, and I assume they do like to actually make money after all.

I don't get why you spew system wars BS, surely you've got more sense then that.

Anyways on to your example. I hate to sound like an **** but all indy games get huge pirate rates (90% isn't a whole lot higher then the average), they're typically overpriced and of poor quality and with a very low number of sales the rate get's inflated. I'm not condoning piracy in this regard, just saying it's not surprising for an indy game. Did you have a non-indy game to cite as that'd be a more valid example.

[Estel78]

AbounI wrote...

For those who pretend they don't care about the toolset for any reason, please  come and watchhere

I have already played Baldurs Gate 2 and prolly won't do so YET AGAIN, there are a lot of new great games coming out and not enough time, thank you.

For those that love doing stuff like a BG2 mod, guess what, YOU STILL CAN, with the DAO toolset.

[Lord_Saulot]

No tactical view on PC is the first thing I've heard about the game that actually upsets me. I hope we get a comment from Bioware on this subject soon because they had told us the system was basically the same on PC. No overhead view would be a serious negative for me, and would influence my interest in the game significantly.

[AmstradHero]

RageGT wrote...
Other than that, you might check some of the comments in my YouTube Videos and see that lots of them are questions about the mods I use. Mods created with the toolset by amazing people that rarely receive our thanks. Cosmetics but also many bug fix mods too. Out of 756,000 views, half of the comments are about the mods.

You should also watch this and see what can be done with the toolset. Best DA video ever!  Made by a modder just to show his mod.

Dragon Age: Origins - Trailer mod

So the mods that garner the most interest are those that make cosmetic changes to the game? Sounds like all people care about is pretty graphics and having attractive characters...

And people wonder why there won't be a DA2 toolset.


To all:

To complain that BioWare are supporting style over substance, but all the while only focussing on cosmetic mods... well, sounds like people are just getting exactly what they asked for.

Hey, I released a mod that adds an extra 30-60 minutes to the single player campaign with full VO and I feel as though it fits in perfectly with the game. Forgive me if I'm offended at those people who don't think there's a mod worth a damn released for DAO.

Modifié par AmstradHero, 08 août 2010 - 12:54 .

[Nerevar-as]

Estel78 wrote...

Dick Delaware wrote...

The iso view added a lot to Origins. Iso isn't the only way to make combat work, but for a party-based RPG, I'm hard-pressed to think of a better way.

Iso basically is an even more zoomed out view but even on consoles you had a pretty good overview in my opinion so i think it's not THAT HUGE a difference, really.

AoE spells targetting made a huge difference for me when I stopped to think and used it.. You can also move the camera beyond your characters.

[-Semper-]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

There seems to be a conflictof information here.  The August "Game Informer" article written by Joe Juba states, "The PC version implements the same strategic approach afforded by a mouse-and-keyboard control scheme.  You can examine the battlefield closely, make decisions from a top-down view, and direct your party like a general." (Page 57).

Based on this information, it appers that the PC player will in fact be able to change perspective if they so choose.  So, who is correct here?

in germany the 10 paged article about da2 also questioned the top down view for pc. bioware's devs did not answer their question related to this. in fact the top down view was not shown and they described the combat as being very action like.

Modifié par -Semper-, 08 août 2010 - 12:58 .

[AlanC9]

Estel78 wrote...

I have already played Baldurs Gate 2 and prolly won't do so YET AGAIN, there are a lot of new great games coming out and not enough time, thank you.

For those that love doing stuff like a BG2 mod, guess what, YOU STILL CAN, with the DAO toolset.

Yeah, I'm with you. Been there, played that. 

[tmp7704]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

So let me get this straight: according to you guys, what made Dragon Age: Origins great weren't the marvelous characters, the country of Ferelden, the epic storyline or the classic combat system... but the abilities to fix a few small bugs yourselves, create a custom piece of equipment or two, mod your characters' appearances and a toolset apparently that difficult to work with that there hasn't been something worth calling a module yet?

If so, consider me at a loss for words.

Not, it's all the factors you list, combined. Now, the act of taking away two of these factors ("the classic combat system" and ability to tailor the game to one's individual tastes) potentially makes the resulting product a less compelling game for some. I don't think the concept is really as difficult to graps as you try to make it.

Incidentally, since you have confessed just few pages earlier you had no idea about what kinds of mods are out there whatsoever, that statement about no work released so far being worth calling a module... it comes across very presumptuous.

[adneate]

AmstradHero wrote...

So the mods that garner the most interest are those that make cosmetic changes to the game? Sounds like all people care about is pretty graphics and having attractive characters...

And people wonder why there won't be a DA2 toolset.

To complain that BioWare are supporting style over substance, but all the while only focussing on cosmetic mods... well, sounds like people are just getting exactly what they asked for.

You have no idea what you're talking about why don't you get a clue and then come back, okay?

[AbounI]

Purple Lady wrote...

andar91 wrote...

@OP: would you mind providing the quotes you translated in french? I'm not doubting your translating skills, I just think it would be nice to have them for completeness' sake, and if people want to check, then they can.

The original (French) quotes are in the French forum thread I created here. Check the end of first post. They are mostly the same, though French tends to be a bit longer than English. And don't forget that it's already the translation made by the journalist of Mr Laidlaw's answers.

I'll add the link to first post of this thread, in case other are interested.

Wrong link?Perhaps did you want to link the french one?here it is so

[exoproto]

Jacks Smirking Revenge wrote...

I'm not going to buy it at full price maybe with a steam holiday deal I will. Maybe I'm not sure. Compile the list of changes I myself dislike this game. It sounds less and less interesting to me. I have to force myself to be excited for this game because BioWare has beat the sod out of my hopes for DA:2, so yes you could say this no Toolset is the nail in the coffin, because the toolset would allow me to modify some things that I didn't like. Increasing the value of the game to me, but without not too interested at all.

Your situation is completely understandable as I'm sure there are plenty of others that feel the same. As someone else had stated, it's impossible to please the entirety of a fandom. I understand the changes, and I didn't like them at first, but then I began to wonder if I actually wanted to play a game that runs and feels exactly the same as its predecessor.. I turned up with a big ol' no. When it comes to the toolset, yes, it's a letdown (I feel your pain here) but I originally played DA:O about 3 times before I even decided to get it for the PC months later. I never noticed the bugs without the available mods, and I fell in love with the expanded customization, but I'm willing to live with it if it turns out to be gone.

So long as they fix the character creator (because that's about all I used the toolset for.. Anyone remember the creepy gaunt that came with the floating of beards on males?), I'll live.

[Estel78]

PanosSmirnakos wrote...

Then you should check Qwinn's unofficial DA:O fixpack  http://social.biowar...m/project/2563/  and read the loooong list of quest and dialogue related bugs. 9 to 10 of them are multi system bugs and don't appear only to the PC version. Not to mention the countless bugs of Awakening which were fixed by seperate mods from the community and DA Nexus modders... That's why the toolset is useful. Bioware was too busy with DLCs and not with fixing the game. Obviously you don't know that you didn't experience the game at its fullest potential, that's what the toolset do beyond cosmetics, modules, custom items and a more detailed character creator.

I experienced the game at it fullest since i played through it multiple times. Again, i didn't notice a lot of bugs. Lucky me, i guess. Haven't played Awakening yet, though.

[Sarkus]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Combat on the consoles is being streamlined to better utilize the
controller interface. Combat on the PC should be largely the same.
[GameInformer article]

- from the What do we know thread.

So, BW told one gaming magazine one thing and then changed their minds?  wtf?  Every time I get a little bit enthusiastic about this game, something comes along and destroys it.  BW said "we don't won't the same old, same old." I say, great, so why are they giving us Masds Effect2? My enthusiasm for this thing has hit rock bottom.  Oh, and uh, I hate the name Hawke.

That's what I don't get and what makes me think the OP's source is confused or something.  Here is what the GI article says:

The PC version implements the same strategic approach afforded by a mouse-and-keyboard control scheme. You can examine the battlefield closely, make decisions from a top-down view, and direct your party like a general.

Somebody is wrong or Bioware changed their minds between GI and this new article. 

[Estel78]

cmessaz wrote...

Why do people come into these threads and tell people how childish and ridiculous they are, because their opinion differs? If I disagree with something I will post a reply, but why be rude about it?

Because stuff like "boohoo i won't buy the game (but will pirate it and play it anyway) because they take away iso-view and a toolkit!!!" is childish.

[AlanC9]

adneate wrote...


You have no idea what you're talking about why don't you get a clue and then come back, okay?

Dude.... if you want to attack someone else for not knowing what he's talking about, a short, arrogant, argument-free post is not the way to do it.

[cmessaz]

Estel78 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Why do people come into these threads and tell people how childish and ridiculous they are, because their opinion differs? If I disagree with something I will post a reply, but why be rude about it?

Because stuff like "boohoo i won't buy the game (but will pirate it and play it anyway) because they take away iso-view and a toolkit!!!" is childish.

But so is calling them names....can't we talk like adults in here? 2 wrongs....

[LadyKarrakaz]

AbounI wrote...

Purple Lady wrote...

andar91 wrote...

@OP: would you mind providing the quotes you translated in french? I'm not doubting your translating skills, I just think it would be nice to have them for completeness' sake, and if people want to check, then they can.

The original (French) quotes are in the French forum thread I created here. Check the end of first post. They are mostly the same, though French tends to be a bit longer than English. And don't forget that it's already the translation made by the journalist of Mr Laidlaw's answers.

I'll add the link to first post of this thread, in case other are interested.

Wrong link?Perhaps did you want to link the french one?here it is so

The thread is too quick. i have already changed the links to give the right thread. My apologizes.

Modifié par Purple Lady, 08 août 2010 - 12:57 .

[Scepth]

ladydesire wrote...
I'm sure there are plenty of modders that have either finished mods (other than bug fix mods) or are putting them together now that would disagree with the part about there not being something worth calling a module (including me), but for some players the core game is just an example of what can be done with the toolset and the draw for those players is the ability to play what other players have created. Without a toolset for DA2, and with no official indication of whether the DAO toolset will be updated to support it, those players are, to my way of thinking, rightfully disappointed with a game that is looking less and less like the game they've enjoyed playing these last few months, even though it bears a similar name.

slimgrin wrote...

You have to understand something. PC
gamers are used to having so many more options than console gamers.
Options for controls, and for controllers. Options for getting involved
and creating their own content. Options for higher graphical settings
and larger, more intensive games. Thats the pc gaming heritage.

When
it comes down to it, games made specifically for pc are a different
beast altogether than console games. Maybe you don't game on the pc, or
are unfamiliar with all this. But you're attempts at trivializing an
amazing gaming platform are pretty lame.

So I guess what I'm saying is: troll elsewhere.

^QFT^

My points exactly.

[ladydesire]

adneate wrote...

AmstradHero wrote...

So the mods that garner the most interest are those that make cosmetic changes to the game? Sounds like all people care about is pretty graphics and having attractive characters...

And people wonder why there won't be a DA2 toolset.

To complain that BioWare are supporting style over substance, but all the while only focussing on cosmetic mods... well, sounds like people are just getting exactly what they asked for.

You have no idea what you're talking about why don't you get a clue and then come back, okay?

Check out the links in his signature... I'd say he's one person that has a right to complain about some people's choice of examples for what can be done with the DAO toolset.

[Lord_Saulot]

Sarkus wrote...

Somebody is wrong or Bioware changed their minds between GI and this new article. 

I really hope Game Informer got it right.  I followed all their online coverage, and I read their magazine article over at my friend's place.  Bioware seemed to be giving them a privilege in putting out the most info fastest.  And I was quite happy with the vision presented by GI, including that top down view for PC.  I'm one of those people who has been fairly enthusiastic about this game since the announcement, and have been willing to try every change announced, but the lack of a top down view would be a big change for me.  I'm not saying it would necessarily mean I wouldn't buy it, but it would change the style of the game vastly for me, so it would not be a no-brainer anymore to buy the game.

[TheMufflon]

AlanC9 wrote...

Dude.... if you want to attack someone else for not knowing what he's talking about, a short, arrogant, argument-free post is not the way to do it.

You have no idea what you're talking about why don't you get a clue and then come back, okay?

[tmp7704]

AmstradHero wrote...

So the mods that garner the most interest are those that make cosmetic changes to the game? Sounds like all people care about is pretty graphics and having attractive characters...

And people wonder why there won't be a DA2 toolset.

Considering the "pretty graphics" appear extremely important even to BioWare devs who are taking time to re-design the visuals of their game from the grounds up for DA2, in direct response to complaints DAO was lacking in this regard... how exactly do you arrive to such conclusion?

[DragonRageGT]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Anyone trying to compare the physical piracy to software downloading is not really paying any attention to what is happening outside his/her PC or Console.

But the copyright infringement!

Should be punished with a fine related to the price of the product. (or amnisty for those who willingly purchase a license). I think Stardock offered that and got a great response from people wanting to support them because the product is good and wanted to be eligible to patches and stuff.

Those who profit from it, from producing and selling those stuff, should be imprisoned and pay for the losses they caused, heavily. Those buying them because they're a lot cheaper should meet some adequate punishment as well since they're keeping that market atractive for those who command the "business".

And a good PC game will always sell very good because most gamers either can afford it or will actually find a way to pay for it. If the stuff is not good, they'll likely delete it anyway. Those who cannot, well, they would not buy the stuff to begin with so at least it is not a loss to the © owners. Finding a way to include them as legit customers is something that the companies should work out. It is possible.

But I'm tired, I finally reached the end of the thread reading it all (which is prolly not that accurate when I hit the submit) and Im off for sweet rest.

And yes, hoping that the IGN  interview where the BW guy said that PC gamers would still be able to analyse the battlefield, etc (which implies in the aerial view) is still valid.

[AmstradHero]

adneate wrote...

AmstradHero wrote...

So the mods that garner the most interest are those that make cosmetic changes to the game? Sounds like all people care about is pretty graphics and having attractive characters...

And people wonder why there won't be a DA2 toolset.

To complain that BioWare are supporting style over substance, but all the while only focussing on cosmetic mods... well, sounds like people are just getting exactly what they asked for.

You have no idea what you're talking about why don't you get a clue and then come back, okay?

Given I'm a modder, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Or perhaps you didn't look at my sig or haven't played my mod.

Do me a favour. Check out the most popular mods here and on DANexus. And lay off the insults