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[Nerevar-as]

Ravenfeeder wrote...

After Mike's post I'm hopeful that a toolset plugin/update can be released. This is the ideal solution as modders can take existing projects and us the DA2 executable with any improvements that it brings.
With the top-down view I admit to some trepidation and will have to see some in-game video before I part with my money. I really hope they have not neutered this aspect, but am willing to wat and see.

If you can still move the camera along its axis rather than just rotating then at least the use of AoE spells still works.
I really hope this game gets a demo.

[AbounI]

Didn't mike said "there's no leadplatform"?
now, he's telling they're following the way  of the best audience, that is to mean the console one.

Is it not  quite contradictory?

[Nighwolfa]

Well, they have said they will still keep making content for DA:O Even when DA2 is released, so if it DA2 is a flunk you can still play DA:O

[joriandrake]

AbounI wrote...

Didn't mike said "there's no leadplatform"?
now, he's telling they're following the way  of the best audience, that is to mean the console one.

Is it not  quite contradictory?

It seems as if Bioware tries to keep everyone calm and happy while they slip up by contradicting themself a lot

[Dileos]

Aldain wrote...


First off, fine work insinuating that everyone who disagrees with you is slow. It is truly condusive to a good debate climate, and demonstrates beyond a shadow of a doubt your mental superiority. And you even threw in a statement indicating all of us are whiners. Hats off to you, sir!

Unfortunately, in all your bigotry, you are correct in at least one thing. Console users will be all over DA2, and by simple virtue of outnumbering PC users, they are more important to Bioware.

At this point I believe Bioware are just running damage control to try and pacify as many PC users as possible, lulling them into thinking the game will be just as good as DA: O (and we want to believe that.. we truly do). I used to think the PC market was still substantial enough to warrant games aimed exclusively at it, but time seems to be proving me wrong.

Still, I'll keep on nourishing a feeble hope I am wrong about everything and DA2 turns out to be a good PC game... I am precisely that sad and starved for *real* roleplaying games.

Apologies, the people I was insulting are the people jumping on the doomsday bandwagon. The people whining for the sake of whining. The people who moan and wail over something as trivial as a toolset or a tactical camera. While these are nice features, they certainly don't make or break a game. Once again..look at Mass Effect and its sequel, or The Witcher, none of those games have a toolset or a top down perspective and they get critcal acclaim and sell like wildfire.

Or take for example, the best selling PC RPGs of all time: The Diablo series.

Modifié par Dileos, 08 août 2010 - 11:58 .

[filetemo]

AbounI wrote...

Didn't mike said "there's no leadplatform"?
now, he's telling they're following the way  of the best audience, that is to mean the console one.

Is it not  quite contradictory?

they do not want us pc gamers to get angry, so they lie to us

quite simple

[filetemo]

Nighwolfa wrote...

Well, they have said they will still keep making content for DA:O Even when DA2 is released, so if it DA2 is a flunk you can still play DA:O

do you really believe that?

[oblivionenss]

JSB93 wrote...

oblivionenss wrote...

mr_nameless wrote...

Any really good Role Playing Games to be looking forward to now??
I'm saving my money now for independent game studios.

The witcher 2 is the only one that comes to mind, and it is pc exclusive

Its coming out on Consoles to .

Well, then you have information I dont have.

[joriandrake]

Dileos wrote...

Aldain wrote...


First off, fine work insinuating that everyone who disagrees with you is slow. It is truly condusive to a good debate climate, and demonstrates beyond a shadow of a doubt your mental superiority. And you even threw in a statement indicating all of us are whiners. Hats off to you, sir!

Unfortunately, in all your bigotry, you are correct in at least one thing. Console users will be all over DA2, and by simple virtue of outnumbering PC users, they are more important to Bioware.

At this point I believe Bioware are just running damage control to try and pacify as many PC users as possible, lulling them into thinking the game will be just as good as DA: O (and we want to believe that.. we truly do). I used to think the PC market was still substantial enough to warrant games aimed exclusively at it, but time seems to be proving me wrong.

Still, I'll keep on nourishing a feeble hope I am wrong about everything and DA2 turns out to be a good PC game... I am precisely that sad and starved for *real* roleplaying games.

Apologies, the people I was insulting are the people jumping on the doomsday bandwagon. The people whining for the sake of whining. The people who moan and wail over something as trivial as a toolset or a tactical camera. While these are nice features, they certainly don't make or break a game. Once again..look at Mass Effect and its sequel, or The Witcher, none of those games have a toolset or a top down perspective and they get critcal acclaim and sell like wildfire.

Or take for example, the best selling PC RPGs of all time: The Diablo series.

You don't realize what the core of the cause for most complains is: The removal of things that were part of the previous game

[Nerevar-as]

Dileos wrote...

Aldain wrote...


First off, fine work insinuating that everyone who disagrees with you is slow. It is truly condusive to a good debate climate, and demonstrates beyond a shadow of a doubt your mental superiority. And you even threw in a statement indicating all of us are whiners. Hats off to you, sir!

Unfortunately, in all your bigotry, you are correct in at least one thing. Console users will be all over DA2, and by simple virtue of outnumbering PC users, they are more important to Bioware.

At this point I believe Bioware are just running damage control to try and pacify as many PC users as possible, lulling them into thinking the game will be just as good as DA: O (and we want to believe that.. we truly do). I used to think the PC market was still substantial enough to warrant games aimed exclusively at it, but time seems to be proving me wrong.

Still, I'll keep on nourishing a feeble hope I am wrong about everything and DA2 turns out to be a good PC game... I am precisely that sad and starved for *real* roleplaying games.

Apologies, the people I was insulting are the people jumping on the doomsday bandwagon. The people whining for the sake of whining. The people who moan and wail over something as trivial as a toolset or a tactical camera. While these are nice features, they certainly don't make or break a game. Once again..look at Mass Effect and its sequel, or The Witcher, none of those games have a toolset or a top down perspective and they get critcal acclaim and sell like wildfire.

Or take for example, the best selling PC RPGs of all time: The Diablo series.

I don´t play DA:O to get the feeling of Diablo, or ME. And inform yourself better about The Witcher.

[Dileos]

joriandrake wrote...



You don't realize what the core of the cause for most complains is: The removal of things that were part of the previous game

Which was also the core of most the complaints about Mass Effect 2. And look how that turned out. 2 million copies sold in the first week.

[joriandrake]

Dileos wrote...

joriandrake wrote...



You don't realize what the core of the cause for most complains is: The removal of things that were part of the previous game

Which was also the core of most the complaints about Mass Effect 2. And look how that turned out. 2 million copies sold in the first week.

If they make DA2 more similar to Mario or Medal of Honor the game will probably still sell more than now but it doesn't mean they are right with changing and removing things.

Modifié par joriandrake, 08 août 2010 - 12:04 .

[Dileos]

Nerevar-as wrote...


I don´t play DA:O to get the feeling of Diablo, or ME. And inform yourself better about The Witcher.

Best of 2007 - IGN.com

PC RPG of the year - Gamespy

4.5 out of 5 - Gamepro

4.5 out of 5 - Gamespy

Seems pretty good to me.

[Nerevar-as]

Dileos wrote...

joriandrake wrote...



You don't realize what the core of the cause for most complains is: The removal of things that were part of the previous game

Which was also the core of most the complaints about Mass Effect 2. And look how that turned out. 2 million copies sold in the first week.

That´s a successful marketing campaign, not quality (I really like ME2 by the way, but can´t help thinking if could have been an even much better game had they invested a bit more effort). If we make an analogy to sales, then Michael Bay is a great filmmaker.

[Nerevar-as]

Dileos wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...


I don´t play DA:O to get the feeling of Diablo, or ME. And inform yourself better about The Witcher.

Best of 2007 - IGN.com

PC RPG of the year - Gamespy

4.5 out of 5 - Gamepro

4.5 out of 5 - Gamespy

Seems pretty good to me.

I meant camera view and toolset. No one has to tell me how good Withcer is. And read the books.

[Dileos]

joriandrake wrote...



If they make DA2 more similar to Mario or Medal of Honor the game will probably still sell more than now but it doesn't mean they are right with changing a d removing things.

Yes it does. If they sell more copies, they make more money. If they make more money, they're doing it right.

This is how a business works. Shocking I know.

[joriandrake]

Dileos wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...


I don´t play DA:O to get the feeling of Diablo, or ME. And inform yourself better about The Witcher.

Best of 2007 - IGN.com

PC RPG of the year - Gamespy

4.5 out of 5 - Gamepro

4.5 out of 5 - Gamespy

Seems pretty good to me.

The issue with your examples is that the originals didn't have things like a toolset to begin with, of course it doesn't have complains for the sequels for not having one neither, but if they had then you can bet that there would be a lot of complains for removing something.

[Nighwolfa]

filetemo wrote...

Nighwolfa wrote...

Well, they have said they will still keep making content for DA:O Even when DA2 is released, so if it DA2 is a flunk you can still play DA:O

do you really believe that?

I beleive they could have done alot more with it, theres still alot more un-explored a few more expansions atleast.

If your onto a good thing why mess it up by making another game from anew.

[Dileos]

Nerevar-as wrote...


I meant camera view and toolset. No one has to tell me how good Withcer is. And read the books.

Ah, my mistake.

[AbounI]

filetemo wrote...

AbounI wrote...

Didn't mike said "there's no leadplatform"?
now, he's telling they're following the way  of the best audience, that is to mean the console one.

Is it not  quite contradictory?

they do not want us pc gamers to get angry, so they lie to us

quite simple

that is why I'm still requesting for an acces to the whole french magazine's interview, without any excised words.They still own their rights to their own words, don't they?

Modifié par AbounI, 08 août 2010 - 12:08 .

[joriandrake]

Dileos wrote...

joriandrake wrote...



If they make DA2 more similar to Mario or Medal of Honor the game will probably still sell more than now but it doesn't mean they are right with changing a d removing things.

Yes it does. If they sell more copies, they make more money. If they make more money, they're doing it right.

This is how a business works. Shocking I know.

Now I know you're just trolling <_<

[filetemo]

Aldain wrote...
 Console users will be all over DA2, and by simple virtue of outnumbering PC users, they are more important to Bioware.

they could sell 4 million on console and 2 million on pc, now they are going to sell 4.5 million on console and 250.000 on pc.The gain on console sales will not handle enough cash for the losses on pc sales.

Dileos wrote...
The people who moan and wail over something as trivial as a toolset or a tactical camera. While these are nice features, they certainly don't make or break a game.

yes they do, thousands of people play only in tactical view mode and not including this feature is a deal breaker, lack of toolset angries modders, diminishes replayability and shortens the lifespan of the game.

You take of a little feature that only upsets a few hundreds, you can deal with it. But taking away dozens of things that anger dozens of small groups and you have one big mess coming at you. It's even bigger than the sum of it's parts, since clueless people will get affected by the ranting on forums of those small groups of people upset by a wide variety of things.

[DragonRageGT]

mr_nameless wrote...

Any really good Role Playing Games to be looking forward to now??
I'm saving my money now for independent game studios.

Well, save some more because if you like rpg's, there will be a few to add to the collection.

Besides the obvious The Witcher 2, which promises to keep all the core elements and improve them, never remove them, there will be Arcania-A Gothic tale, aka, Gothic 4 (JoWooD/Spellbound) and we'll probably will have something new from Piranha Bytes, hopefully a sequel to Risen.

Perhaps it's time this market tries out and discover the wonderful games that these Germans devs gave us and will keep doing.

Gothic 1 and 2 are classics that everyone who thinks that likes RPG's should try. Gothic 3, despite the rushed release, was fixed by its own community with a 900 MB community patch after the publisher (JoWood) and the devs (PBytes) broke off. JoWood kept the rights to the name Gothic which was created by PBytes and so G4 will be theirs. But PBytes released Risen, 1 month before DA:O was released (oct/09) and it's simply the best Gothic game ever, even if ot having the Gothic name on it.

And The Witcher Enhanced Edition, which is simply a revolution in the genre and inspired many things in DA:O too, by a Polish gaming house that not only is fan of the Gothics but also helped in the Community Patch for Gothic 3, the largest and most beautiful Gothic around and now, truly a masterpiece with all the fixes done and given for free.

CD Projekt will definitely take on Bioware's title as the best gaming house for computer RPG's.

http://kotaku.com/55...tcher-2-trailer

Right click and view image for the full size jpg of the "secret message" if not readable here.

[Dileos]

joriandrake wrote...


The issue with your examples is that the originals didn't have things like a toolset to begin with, of course it doesn't have complains for the sequels for not having one neither, but if they had then you can bet that there would be a lot of complains for removing something.

From the select few people who actually use it. While I use the toolset rather frequently, console users don't get acess to it at all, and a lot of PC users don't even realize theres a modding community to begin with. Let alone something as substantial as a toolset.

If the toolset stay, then it stays. Yay.

If it doesn't, then the game will still sell. And it will still be a success.

[FuzFuz]

Dileos wrote...

Or take for example, the best selling PC RPGs of all time: The Diablo series.

Diablo is not an rpg.